Posted on reddit and immediately sunk, so i might as well as try here
In short, i210 NIN couldn't get past SSS dummy for A5S and is looking for help
video (dont mind the music)
Using i210 Eso weapon (yes i didn't clear a4s nor get the relic) and the 200 VA Chest (eso chest is worse) and proto midas boot with accuracy melded (seph ex requires around 620 accuracy)
I tried my best to optimize my rotation, here are some details
- Using the Shasta opener, suiton on pull, to avoid 3 step ninjutsus in between gcds
- The ninjutsu at 1:00 was delayed by a few seconds to line up with the next trick attack, armour crush was used in place of aeolian edge for the same purpose despite ample time on huton
- Within that trick attack window I fit in an aeolian edge and mutilate
- At 1:30, blood for blood was delayed so it will catch a burst phase a few seconds later
- At 1:48, all dots refreshed within blood for blood, as well as raiton, dwad, mug, and duality aeolian edge
- Slight mistake at 2:08 where internal release was not registered despite pressing it, leading to a gcd clipping in the next gcd where i did ir + suiton
- Next trick attack at 2:17, includes kassatsu raiton and both dots, buffed by internal release
Any constructive feed back will be appreciated, it is kind of frustrating to see that 1% and knowing for sure in raids i will have either a war for storm's eye, bard for foe req which helps ninjutsu damage, and drg for litany. And if the parse lasted for longer I can have my next burst phase (the 90s off gcds) to improve my numbers, oh well...
Side note: I actually managed to get past that 1% once, but did not catch it on video...
Gear and Stats
http://i.imgur.com/LSuUu0c.jpg
NIN - Critique my rotation A5S SSS attempt
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02-27-2016, 11:40 AMXenon_SNIN - Critique my rotation A5S SSS attempt
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02-27-2016, 12:03 PMJim_BerryI'll be totally honest with you:Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenon_S
I never cared about BiS. I only cared about my iLv. Reason is, higher iLv gives me more DEX. There are MANY people who argue with me that I'm doing it wrong, but I generally don't respond because I don't care what they think.
That said, I didn't beat the SSS, but I was VERY close. I probably could have sneezed and won (over-exaggerating), but here is my NIN at iLv210, like you.
My main stats are:
Dexterity (Attack Power): 1071
Accuracy: 656
Critical Hit Rate: 787
Determination: 421
Skill Speed: 626
You're killing me on the crit, but I rely on my crit AND attack power for my damage. I don't hold CDs, either, with the exception of using Duality while Internal Release is active, and I don't have a rotation. I start my fights randomly, so I never need a 20 second pull macro. While I also normally don't target-lock, I do it on these Dummies to guarantee all my auto-attacks hit as well.
*UPDATE*
My stats have changed as my NIN is now iLv212:
Dexterity (Attack Power): 1080
Accuracy: 656
Critical Hit Rate: 845
Determination: 433
Skill Speed: 582
I cleared the Dummy with about 30-ish seconds to spare with a lot of mess ups of my combos and my dots would sometimes skip and just disappear. -
02-27-2016, 04:23 PMKaze3434
/im trying to find why i have 30+ more dex then you. even bringing my gear to match you doesnt change that gap.
ok, i think i might have been in a party while looking at stats. -
02-29-2016, 04:48 PMCampi
I beat the A5s dummy with iLvl 207, but it was very close.. :)
I used a pot in my opener, but i don't use bufffood
your gear should be good enough to beat the dummy
and you had little mistakes during and at the end of the battle
i use the CDs when they are ready, because the fight is only 3mins long -
03-03-2016, 02:45 AMDarklune
I tried this out after seeing your post last night. I beat it with 2 sec. to spare *phwew*. Honestly, I think you were on-pace to win, but the last 6% or so, you let your DOTs drop and just spammed Aeoleans. I think that might have made the difference.
GLHF, you'll get it! -
03-03-2016, 03:10 AMArkenne
In your opener you did
... > SE (TA) > SF (Raiton) > MU (DwaD) > SE (Mug) > GS (Dual) > AE > ...
Then delayed the mudras for them to aling to TA refresh, right?
May not be much, but if you switch it to
... > SE (TA) > SF (DwaD) > MU (Mug) > SE (Raiton) > GS (Dual) > AE > ...
You may not need to delay your mudras anymore for the 2nd TA. (tho, basically is the same)
Also, Darklune is right, MU is one thing, but SF only needs 9 seconds to be worth it, so try not to drop it.
The music was pleasing to hear. -
03-03-2016, 12:56 PMJim_Berry
*UPDATE 2*
My stats have changed as my NIN is now iLv216:
Dexterity (Attack Power): 1104
Accuracy: 756
Critical Hit Rate: 865
Determination: 427
Skill Speed: 631
Not by a lot, but I was in the 40 second range on the clear. Still not having 900+ crit like you, but my attack power increased, giving me more damage (although that crit would be nice). Going back to what I said earlier, I prefer iLv because I'm usually gaining more attack power (Dexterity), but that's just me. -
03-04-2016, 04:20 AMDarkluneWait, you beat A5S SSS with about 40 seconds to spare?? Video please teach us, master Ginsu!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim_Berry
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03-04-2016, 06:44 PMRisakaHow did you do that =xQuote:
Originally Posted by Jim_Berry
My NIN's i216 now with the Sephirot Weapon and i230 Lore Chest and I just tried the A5S SSS and only managed to beat it with 7 seconds left to spare.
I only did 2 aeolian edges during my fight with the dummy and was doing dancing edge/armor crush and sf+mutilate plus gcds and all -
03-05-2016, 12:19 AMSigmakanEither he didnt realize that he was doing the A5 normal dummy OR hes making up numbers. Beating the A5S nin dummy with 40 secs left is the equivalent of 1843 dps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darklune
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03-05-2016, 12:44 AMNanahothat was my guess, probably didnt realise shes doing A5N not A5S, even Elysium would be hard pressed to beat A5S Dummy with 40 seconds to spare.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigmakan
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03-05-2016, 01:31 AMArkenne
Hrm... there is no A5 Normal in the SSS, only "Midas" O___o;;; (unless they actually poked at A1S...? Naaaah)
I tried A5S SSS with my rescent update in gears...
Thing is that its an i214 NIN and giving a shot at the dummy I just couldn't beat it with more than 2 seconds to spare (too much sks... and no seph weapon) -
03-05-2016, 01:36 AMNanahoMidas is A5, Midas- Fist of the Son, and Midas fist of the Son (Savage)Quote:
Originally Posted by Arkenne
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03-05-2016, 03:53 AMArkenne
Yea, when you unlock Midas Savage the options are there, but there is no Midas Fist of the Son (Normal) in SSS, specifically...
Well, now memory is fussy :/ -
03-06-2016, 03:48 AMLenar
Can anyone tell me the Skill speed caps and the idial Critical ?
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03-06-2016, 09:57 AMNoctisShiva
I think you can actually cheat a little bit with the dummies , you can hold all your cds since you only use for example duality or dwad only twice in the fight , so you can line them all up for a huge second burst, or if you plan to kill the dummie in like 10 seconds , why keep up your dots? I'm iLvl 117 with no seph weapon ( a bit crafted gear but still working on melding it completly :D) and killed the dummie with screwups at the end since its not my normal rotation with around 20 seconds left ( with no bufffood) or killed it with my normal rotation which you would do in a normal fight that lasts longer ,like still using mutilate at 2 % if it falls off^^, with 7-9 seconds left , depending on critluck :D
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03-07-2016, 03:49 AMNyghtmarerobuThings to remember when gearing..Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenon_S
- Higher ilvl gear is 95% of the time better then the previous, even if it has undesirable stats.
- While skillspeed is one of the worst stats point for point to increase dps, it still will increase your dps.
- Weapon dmg > Main stat > Crit > Det > Skillspeed, in that order. For ninja Specifically (Thank you Dervy for stat weights) - WD: 12.799 / DEX: 1.000 / CRT: 0.215 / DET: 0.168 / SS: 0.106
What that means for you, is it takes 12.799 dex to = 1 weapon dmg, and so on down the line, another example, is it will take 5 crit to = 1 dex. Math is knowledge. (roughly)
These numbers are also from last patch, and are subject to change as ilvl increases. (Source Material)
Other things to remember about SSS..
- Dummies don't take into account player accuracy. You will need to meet the accuracy cap of w/e turn your trying to beat, or you will skew the numbers.
- Actual Dummies HP is catered to each class, Ninja currently has the lowest HP pool for the 3 melee, SE may have took into account having to use your own slashing, since most if not all raids have a war.
- Dummies don't take into account using food or potions, so make sure to bring your raid appropriate consumables when attempting the SSS for a more reliable dps number.