Mentor Roulette - Are you doing it?

With only 5 lore as the reward and the realization that you could end up with any dungeon or ARR extreme trial (synced). I somehow think this will be a very underutilized roulette.

I will probably and end up doing it from time to time and when I get a particularly annoying trial with 4 newbies in it. It will end in abandon after 15 minutes.

I'm waiting a while to become a mentor for a few reasons but after that I plan to run the roulette.

I would if it didn't have some rather high requirements. I hadn't yet got through all the 50 ex trials which I find slightly odd requirement since leafs are not very likely to end up in those anyway.

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Originally Posted by Sida

I would if it didn't have some rather high requirements. I hadn't yet got through all the 50 ex trials which I find slightly odd requirement since leafs are not very likely to end up in those anyway.

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From my understanding, the mentor roulette goes to help newcomers to any raid, dungeon, or trial. I might be wrong though so if I am please correct me. But if I'm right, it would make a lot more sense.

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Originally Posted by TSLsmokey

From my understanding, the mentor roulette goes to help newcomers to any raid, dungeon, or trial. I might be wrong though so if I am please correct me. But if I'm right, it would make a lot more sense.

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Yea someone wrote he got Mog EX (which made me scared).

I am going to do it but atm focussed on favors as the droprate of favor items in dungeons is just a SE troll.... need to catch up and what they added is a joke just now as I have the tomes spare to use on anything they remove them and "add to dungeon" - said the folklore.
Cleared everything synced and all but given example of Mog EX even in DF so if people not fully laggy or language/understanding barriers turn up most are absolutely doable.

I'm doing it daily to help out, nothing more. So far I had good experience entering that roulette

But what about the people who get the Ex Primals who've maybe only completed it one and haven't done it in god knows how long. If I get any Ex Primals but Levi, I'll be screwed if I've qued as a tank, and I'll most likely be doing the roulette as a tank since I'm more interested in the gil than the tomes. In my opinion they should be removed as Ex Primals arent really a novice/mentor thing but a Stone, Sky, Sea thing.

I've done it 3 times now. Got totorak and haukke manor with newbies, and last night I got sastascha normal with 3 people all over level 50. None were new. It was weird.

I've been doing it. So far I've gotten 1 guildhest and 2 leveling dungeons with no new players.

I think the fact it could be almost any instance is part of the fun. :)
Admittedly I'm not sure I could teach someone how to say, properly tank Ramuh Extreme, but I'm willing to try. It's definitely only something to sign up for when you have lots of time and are in the mood to help others.

Done three so far, and got Halatali, Darkhold, and weirdly, Fractal. No new players yet.
I'd assume that it tries to pull people from the mentor queue into groups with new players if possible, but it seems like a lot of what it's doing is pulling people in on anything that needs bodies. I personally find the idea of "total wildcard roulette" to be kind of fun.

The two that I have done both gave the new player bonus. I was under the assumption that it basically grouped you with at least one other person who has never run that particular content. That way you can teach them how it works.

Any dungeon I don't like, I just take the 30 Netflix break and move on. Oh wait, we have Vath bst quests now...

Very first run I did. .. neverreap. No bonus...

Yeah I don't get the Mentor Roulette. Very high requirements (ok, for me anyway) so I can't participate. But Mentor. Tied to the Novice Channel. Tied to helping the green younglings, err, sproutlings. What sprout is running them high end places? They should add a Mentor bonus to Level 50 dungeons, Leveling, Trials, Guildhests. Run those Roulettes, you get your daily, adventure in need if, and if you are a Mentor, you get a Mentor bonus. Instead of a completely separate Mentor roulette. But that is just me thinking Mentor is to help the sproutlings.

Would I do it even if I met all current requirements? Nope, as I am just someone that doesn't run Roulettes period.

So far it's been hit and miss for me. The good hits are when I get something like Haukke with three sprouts and I get to have a nice run talking with them, giving advice and help while getting them through the dungeon nice and fast. The misses are when I get something like Ifrit EX with 7/8 of the group being level 51 with a mix of i50 and i90 stuff from their job quests. And each of them only have the one job leveled up. And none of them seem to know that standing in the big glowing patch of arena that explodes is bad, no matter how many times I say it. That's not very fun on either end.

I'm surprised about people's stories of no newbie bonuses. I've been running into them left and right even when I'm not queuing for mentor roulette. For my mentors thus far I got Crystallis, Relic Reborn Chimera, Quarn Hard, and Labrynth of the Ancients. I don't run mentor everyday, just depends on my free time available. And yea some I've never tanked myself which is why I like to que up on my monk, which is my main. I can give the other roles a run down on what to do though, I tend to watch what everyone does for their runs anyway.

I've hit a random guildhests 3 separate times and grabbed 30 eso\10 lore (and 5k gil) for like 2 mins' worth. I'm a fan.

Can't because of the SUPER long list of dungeons/trials/guildhest that it requires. I've done almost everything in the game except the newest primals and I'm still missing a few for some reason.

If you need a mentor after 50, there's not a lot that someone can do for you.

Everything except Coil, the HW EX Primals, Midas, and both Savages. It does also include all the Guildhests.

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Duties Applicable to Duty Roulette: Mentor

Dungeons:

Sastasha / The Tam-Tara Deepcroft / Copperbell Mines / Halatali / The Thousand Maws of Toto-Rak / Haukke Manor / Brayflox's Longstop / The Sunken Temple of Qarn / Cutter's Cry / The Stone Vigil / Dzemael Darkhold / The Aurum Vale / The Wanderer's Palace / Amdapor Keep / Castrum Meridianum / The Praetorium / Pharos Sirius / Copperbell Mines (Hard) / Haukke Manor (Hard) / The Lost City of Amdapor / Halatali (Hard) / Brayflox's Longstop (Hard) / Hullbreaker Isle / The Tam-Tara Deepcroft (Hard) / The Stone Vigil (Hard) / Snowcloak / Sastasha (Hard) / The Sunken Temple of Qarn (Hard) / The Keeper of the Lake / The Wanderer's Palace (Hard) / Amdapor Keep (Hard) / The Dusk Vigil / Sohm Al / The Aery / The Vault / The Great Gubal Library / The Aetherochemical Research Facility / Neverreap / The Fractal Continuum / Saint Mocianne's Arboretum / Pharos Sirius (Hard) / The Antitower / The Lost City of Amdapor (Hard)

Guildhests:

Basic Training: Enemy Parties / Under the Armor / Basic Training: Enemy Strongholds / Hero on the Halfshell / Pulling Poison Posies / Stinging Back / All's Well that Ends in the Well / Flicking Sticks and Taking Names / More than a Feeler / Annoy the Void / Shadow and Claw / Long Live the Queen / Ward Up / Solemn Trinity

Trials:

The Bowl of Embers / The Navel / The Howling Eye / Cape Westwind / The Chrysalis / The Steps of Faith / A Relic Reborn: The Chimera / A Relic Reborn: The Hydra / Battle on the Big Bridge / The Dragon's Neck / Urth's Fount / Battle in the Big Keep / The Bowl of Embers (Hard) / The Howling Eye (Hard) / The Navel (Hard) / Thornmarch (Hard) / The Whorleater (Hard) / The Striking Tree (Hard) / Akh Afah Amphitheatre (Hard) / The Minstrel's Ballad: Ultima's Bane / The Howling Eye (Extreme) / The Navel (Extreme) / The Bowl of Embers (Extreme) / Thornmarch (Extreme) / The Whorleater (Extreme) / The Striking Tree (Extreme) / Akh Afah Amphitheatre (Extreme) / Thok ast Thok (Hard) / The Limitless Blue (Hard) / The Singularity Reactor / Containment Bay S1T7

Raids:

The Labyrinth of the Ancients / Syrcus Tower / The World of Darkness / The Void Ark / Alexander - The Fist of the Father / Alexander - The Cuff of the Father / Alexander - The Arm of the Father / Alexander - The Burden of the Father

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Originally Posted by ChameleonMS

With only 5 lore as the reward and the realization that you could end up with any dungeon or ARR extreme trial (synced). I somehow think this will be a very underutilized roulette.

I will probably and end up doing it from time to time and when I get a particularly annoying trial with 4 newbies in it. It will end in abandon after 15 minutes.

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I no longer bother with it. Joke rewards, and I need to use a lvl 60 class. I'd rather have an exp reward than a crap number of tomes -_-

Yep, I love this roulette, because it actually feels like a roulette. I do it every time I'm on.

I've done it twice. So far I got St Mocianne's Arboretum with one new player, and Keeper of the lake with no new players.

I run it roughly 2-5 times a day. I would say half the instances I join are EX primals from 2.0 that I help people get their first clears on. Majority of the "in progress" instances I enter, I end up not getting credit for DR: Mentor as I leave the instance and rejoin as a tank/healer depending on what role they were waiting on the most.

As for everyone complaining about the rewards, the whole point of the system is to help others. I would still be running DR: Mentor 2-5 times a day even without a bonus for the first completion. I've spent many times in Titan EX coaching players through it only to have the run take the entire allotted time and sometimes even having it fail. I'm fine with this as long as people are improving which most are. I've notice that it's mainly in dungeons that I find new players who don't want to listen and take advice on how to improve. In the EX primal fights I get thrown into, most of the people in there are willing to take advice and are open to dialogue on what they are doing wrong.

The only places I don't feel need to be in DR: Mentor are LoTA, ST, WoD, and VA. Since these are 24 man raids with a very low difficulty rating, there is little to no room to offer advice to a player here. Hell, half the time it's hard to even find the one or two new players in those groups in the first place until you get to the end and see the mapping achievement.

I do it an average of 2 times daily.

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Originally Posted by Sida

I would if it didn't have some rather high requirements. I hadn't yet got through all the 50 ex trials which I find slightly odd requirement since leafs are not very likely to end up in those anyway.

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If people see your mentor crown they're obviously going to hold you to a high standard so I think it should be a requirement to have a player do extreme trials. Think of these trials as a reminder that mentors should know exactly what they're doing and reminding them of why they took on the crown, plus the oppurtunity to demonstrate your knowledge to the new people that get in any of those requirements. I think those should have been the requirements to be a mentor instead of 300 comms + 3 jobs leveled up anyone can get it with grinding but I digress.

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Originally Posted by Yasuhiro

If people see your mentor crown they're obviously going to hold you to a high standard so I think it should be a requirement to have a player do extreme trials. Think of these trials as a reminder that mentors should know exactly what they're doing and reminding them of why they took on the crown, plus the oppurtunity to demonstrate your knowledge to the new people that get in any of those requirements. I think those should have been the requirements to be a mentor instead of 300 comms + 3 jobs leveled up anyone can get it with grinding but I digress.

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I look at it a different way. The Mentor crown itself and the Novice Network is for experienced players to help out new players (sprouts). The crown allows for easy identification of someone who should be open to answering questions or helping someone new. For sprouts, this is easy as they see someone running by with the crown, they should know that they can hit that player up for assistance.

DR: Mentor, is what you described above. This is something to allow even more experienced players assist all players who are conducting something for the first time. As I mentioned earlier, I find that I wind up in a lot of 2.x EX primals when I queue for an in progress DR: Mentor. I don't mind this too much as the majority of the groups that are stuck there when I join, are open to criticism and suggestions. If they flat out do not know the fight, they are open to explanations of the strategies and for the most part are able to carry them out. I would say that I have roughly a 75% completion rate for getting these groups through the old EX primals. The only one that is somewhat of a problem is Titan EX. This is mainly due to people not being able to avoid landslides. If the group sticks around long enough for a 20% echo, I find that as long as we have 2 dps, 1 tank, 1 healer who know the fight and can stay alive, we can usually 4 man Titan EX from heart phase onward.

Yeah I try to hold the crown to a higher-standard, and I understand having it on means I'll give advice when possible. I think the system is great, although not perfect I can definitely say this initiative is putting a crack in the "you don't pay my sub, don't tell me how to play" mentality some people have out there. The fact there is a visual indicator that someone may have knowledge of this instance/job/etc I think is re-assuring for some to believe what advice being said is likely true. Although the icon isn't always a true indicator since the crafting requirements will yield the same crown (i wish they would do something about that aspect). Even when Alex: Midas was new, and it's not a mentor instance that doesn't preclude one from not helping others understand the instance. I've seen crowns that are dead-silent.


I try to run mentor roulette whatever is in-need all the time, 99% it is the tank role and I love the variety like Tam-Tara, Research Facility, Alex Gordias 2 NM, plus ARR primals like Ramuh EX and Titan EX. I'm sure overtime they will add the 3.0 extreme primals too when clear rates get higher for things like Thordan and Seph EX.

The only one that was never cleared by the party in a lockout was a Titan EX instance because we can only teach people so much about dodging landslides, and well if both healers are out, god speed!

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Originally Posted by Eloah

But what about the people who get the Ex Primals who've maybe only completed it one and haven't done it in god knows how long. If I get any Ex Primals but Levi, I'll be screwed if I've qued as a tank, and I'll most likely be doing the roulette as a tank since I'm more interested in the gil than the tomes. In my opinion they should be removed as Ex Primals arent really a novice/mentor thing but a Stone, Sky, Sea thing.

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No, you should queue on the job you are proficient as, or at-least read up on stuff you hadn't done in awhile since you could be teaching other roles their mechanics which is why there is the tank/healer/dps requirement in the first place for the status. If you don't know for instance how to do the lightning tank swap mechanic in Ramuh EX as a tank you are just making yourself look bad wearing the crown, and those of us whom actually know the instance on the job(s). People out there still "need" extreme primals for content like Primal Focus items, drops, glamour, etc. Or maybe they want to learn the instance how it really was at level 50 instead of "faceroll ignore most mechanics mode".

I tried it once. No new people. Hear alot of the same from others.

Would be cool if you Added 60 Poetics to the reward as well for tomes :D

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Originally Posted by Cnidarian

As for everyone complaining about the rewards, the whole point of the system is to help others.

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While I agree that's good for a main reward, I would rather I be able to make contacts with these people I help. Get to know then, their FC, ally with the FC, add them to a friends list, make a Linkshell etc.

As it stands, you'll likely never see them again. It feels very... hollow, helping out someone like that, especially if they seem awesome and you'd love to help them out more for other things. Them being almost certainly on another server just takes the fun right out of it, for me.

Probably makes me a little selfish, but oh well.