People are abusing the Novice channel.

Please redirect to http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ussion-with-GM

A GM confirmed that the NOVICE channel can be used for worldwide chat, however general rules still apply. Spamming and flooding the network, being abusive or any other FF community rule still applies and you can be kicked with valid reason. Thanks for reading.

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Originally Posted by WinterLuna

Already people who are supposed to be "mentors" are flooding the Novice channel with general chat, "can anyone craft me this?", advertising their parties and even purposely spamming it.

The channel is there to help new people. It's not there to talk to your friends about WoW, it's not there to sell your materials, it's not there to advertise your Alexander Savage parties and it's not there for you to spam.

The kick feature does absolutely nothing since you'd have to kick the entire channel minus the few who use it for its intended reason. Sproutlings have joined the channel and have asked how to leave because it's being abused massively.

I understand this is an MMO, people are social. But there's linkshell's, FC's, /tells and /say. Please stop using this channel as your personal chats.

Also, I shouldn't have to filter the Novice channel purely because people are misusing it. Some people actually want to help others and not see random unrelated chat.

- Lumi.

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Already have a thread like this that the mods have responded to, I'd throw this in there instead: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...eedback-for-SE

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Originally Posted by Malzian

Already have a thread like this that the mods have responded to, I'd throw this in there instead: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...eedback-for-SE

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Apologies, on my phone and it's hard to find threads. Thank you!

Of course people are abusing it, everytime you assume an altruistic motive you are bound to encounter humanity doing what it does best exploiting and abusing thing created to help others. Report the offenders and perhaps SE will eventually start handing out temp bans to deter people from doing this.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Of course people are abusing it, everytime you assume an altruistic motive you are bound to encounter humanity doing what it does best exploiting and abusing thing created to help others. Report the offenders and perhaps SE will eventually start handing out temp bans to deter people from doing this.

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The problem is whether is classed as an "offence" or not. People are afraid to kick people for what they call general chat because they're not sure whether it's actually considered spam, although they're clearly misusing the channel. It also seems the amount of people who misuse the channel heavily out number the people who want to use it for its intended use.

I would add that in the case OP mentioned the whole argument was fueled by a single individual who tried to force reddit rules, instead of just have everyone use common sense. It'll get chatty at times when new people come in, but that usually dies down after a few lines and if a sprout asks something, they can be more than sure at least 10 people will answer.

Also, the sprouts who wanted out mostly trolls themselves. The majority of sprouts in the channel didn't say a word apart from the occasional question.

This is the way the channel _will_ go, as a temporary linkshell, with new players needing to be invited manually. If you really want to help sprouts, go into the starting areas, chat them up, maybe give them some HQ gear to prepare them for their first dungeon and add them to your friendlist for them to ask you whatever they want to know. This has worked very well before, I don't see why it won't work anymore now.

The whole reason for the Novice channel is to help new players. Any argument of "if you really want to help people" is completely unrelated to the fact the channel is being misused.

Also, I'm not talking about one specific case. This has happened multiple times when I have been in the Novice channel.

Sprouts trolling is also misusing the channel and is exactly the same as the Mentors doing it. Small amounts of chat are fine, but I don't want to see lines and lines of unrelated spam in my chat box, and I'm sure others don't either.

If they would make a global server chat, where you can only post when you are around lvl 30 (to prevent gilspam), people would not abuse the mentor chat as a globalchat.

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Originally Posted by Kling-Klang

If they would make a global server chat, where you can only post when you are around lvl 30 (to prevent gilspam), people would not abuse the mentor chat as a globalchat.

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No, they still would. That's the sad part.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

No, they still would. That's the sad part.

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Evidence: Every MMO

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

Evidence: Every MMO

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lol!

I was thinking something like...

Evidence : Turn on the TV, look out a window, or simply brows facebook randomly...

Seems like I've done the right thing waiting before becoming a mentor. I want to be in a position to really help others before I sign up to be a mentor (I have met all the requirements but I don't feel I'd make a good mentor at the moment), so it seems this will have the double effect of making sure I'm ready AND putting out most of the abusers so that there's more room for me to actually help.

There was a certain poster in my requirements thread who had no faith in the community to use it right and was adamant that this system was going to be abused and it wouldn't work... Everyone said they're too paranoid.

/clap. She's right so far

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Originally Posted by Toguro

There was a certain poster in my requirements thread who had no faith in the community to use it right and was adamant that this system was going to be abused and it wouldn't work... Everyone said they're too paranoid.

/clap. She's right so far

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So you are just going to go around yelling about how you and they were right? Ok, some of us were wrong, now let's see how could the system can be fixed.

On Malboro, since I've been in the Channel, we've only had to kick someone one time. Other than that, those of us in there pretty much know/know of each other, so things are usually great. We kinda use it as huge linkshell while also giving as much advice as we can.

Balmung didn't seem that bad yesterday night. My first time getting pulled into the Network once I was done with a raid last night, I suggested that all mentors should lay some ground rules. The Mentors in the Novice Network make or break that "first impression" of the community of your server. It's kind of serious thing to talk about in Novice network channel as this could indirectly affect new players not wanting to play, affecting FFXIV subs. It becomes a potential snowball effect if not strictly handled.

Another problem is the fact nobody has real authority over another person. Were all mentors. It seems some servers have great communities and people can come to an agreement, but on some, if anyone tries to lay down some rules or at least try and moderate the chat, they get stick from other players who don't agree. Plus, as I've mentioned in another thread, some "moderators" are simply selfish players who want the fancy crown and access to 10 extra Lore's a day. They couldn't care less what happens in the Novice channel and laugh at anyone who tries to use it properly.

After reading a lot of feedback, I think I'll stick to helping newbies the old fashioned way. Well, what few newbies manage to squeeze through the character creation restrictions.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

So you are just going to go around yelling about how you and they were right? Ok, some of us were wrong, now let's see how could the system can be fixed.

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Hey I never once said it was going to fail. I wanted the system I thought it was going to do good too but apparently the majority of the community doesn't care about new people.

And its only the beginning. It's not going to get better anytime soon because the rewards will be coming soon and people will flock them. I don't know how they could fix the system. No way to "tell" who's bad and who's good.

This is why they need higher requirements, or a much longer, harder process to become a mentor. Make it so it's only worth it if you truly want to help people and not just for the crown and extra tomes.

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Originally Posted by WinterLuna

The whole reason for the Novice channel is to help new players. Any argument of "if you really want to help people" is completely unrelated to the fact the channel is being misused.

Also, I'm not talking about one specific case. This has happened multiple times when I have been in the Novice channel.

Sprouts trolling is also misusing the channel and is exactly the same as the Mentors doing it. Small amounts of chat are fine, but I don't want to see lines and lines of unrelated spam in my chat box, and I'm sure others don't either.

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A GM in a picture that was posted in another thread has confirmed that the channel is not being misused, and general chat is perfectly acceptable.

Therefore, the people who're getting upset at others for "socializing" as if it were an everyday linkshell are actually the ones misusing it.

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Originally Posted by Aaliyahrose

Balmung didn't seem that bad yesterday night. My first time getting pulled into the Network once I was done with a raid last night, I suggested that all mentors should lay some ground rules. The Mentors in the Novice Network make or break that "first impression" of the community of your server. It's kind of serious thing to talk about in Novice network channel as this could indirectly affect new players not wanting to play, affecting FFXIV subs. It becomes a potential snowball effect if not strictly handled.

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The problem with laying down ground rules is that only 100 out of 3000 (more or less) possible mentors would even see those rules. Once the current mentors log off and new mentors log in, those ground rules will change.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

So you are just going to go around yelling about how you and they were right? Ok, some of us were wrong, now let's see how could the system can be fixed.

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Those of us who said this system would fail/have many short comings all offered ways to make it better and find ways to prove that a player is actually deemed reliable enough to be a mentor. Everyone who disagreed with us back then and claimed it will be fine. People preached that the methods SE decided to roll with are great ways to determine who should be a mentor. If you want this system fixed I suggest you encourage people not to white knight all of SE idiotic designs and encourage them to engage with its community to learn how to develop more better flowing systems.

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Originally Posted by Kling-Klang

If they would make a global server chat, where you can only post when you are around lvl 30 (to prevent gilspam), people would not abuse the mentor chat as a globalchat.

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Ohhhhh, it's server-wide? No wonder.

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Originally Posted by Vivi_Bushido

A GM in a picture that was posted in another thread has confirmed that the channel is not being misused, and general chat is perfectly acceptable.

Therefore, the people who're getting upset at others for "socializing" as if it were an everyday linkshell are actually the ones misusing it.

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That's fair enough, but if you actually read my thread, I wasn't complaining about "socializing" in the first place. Spam and trolling is still against the rules regardless. At least those are still valid kicks.

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Originally Posted by Vivi_Bushido

The problem with laying down ground rules is that only 100 out of 3000 (more or less) possible mentors would even see those rules. Once the current mentors log off and new mentors log in, those ground rules will change.

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Even so. People with the common thought when ground rules are placed slowly spread and trickle down to the other 3000 or so mentors in the server. Much like any MMO, people develope a common courtesy/standard as to how to behave or act in a channel. Mentors can easily throw out an announcement every hour or so to the new Mentors or Novices joining the channel on channel etiquette.