rebirth or reraise?

i know its not too much too ask but i feel like healer should get a skill where they can get back up if they died. I know u shouldnt die in a battle of a fight but ACCIDENT does happens!!! kinda "stupid" to just do the whole fight ALL OVER again because healer couldnt get back up so the group has to wipe....

In every mmo that i played its a very very common skill for healer, not only the skill is useful but also give healer another chance to "pay more attention" lol, so PLEASE?

that kind of skill could easily be abused for certain endgame mechanics making it way to powerful at all... personally i dont know if it would be a good idea : /

1. Cast Reraise on self.
2. Personally die before instant wipe mechanic.
3. Activate raise just as instant wipe mechanic is about to go off.
4. Healer LB3 after party dies, while the boss is recovering from his ultimate attack.
5. Realize Reraise has Additional Effect: Breaks the game.

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Originally Posted by Rongway

1. Cast Reraise on self.
2. Personally die before instant wipe mechanic.
3. Activate raise just as instant wipe mechanic is about to go off.
4. Healer LB3 after party dies, while the boss is recovering from his ultimate attack.
5. Realize Reraise has Additional Effect: Breaks the game.

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Not if it is limited to use for like 10 sec after death and give further disadvantages like no actions, no movement, no use of skills for 5-10 sec after selfres and an no LB for like 30 sec.

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Originally Posted by Jilliebeans

i know its not too much too ask but i feel like healer should get a skill where they can get back up if they died. I know u shouldnt die in a battle of a fight but ACCIDENT does happens!!! kinda "stupid" to just do the whole fight ALL OVER again because healer couldnt get back up so the group has to wipe....

In every mmo that i played its a very very common skill for healer, not only the skill is useful but also give healer another chance to "pay more attention" lol, so PLEASE?

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Practice exists to avoid avoidable deaths.

Patience and commitment exists to afford accidents.

The toolkit is already here lol.

Sorry Sir but im not behind that autoraise thing. And this comes from somebody who wiped countless runs by hitting the floor as the MT.

One thing that maybe wouldn't push the whole stack would be to give raising ability that can be used during a fight to couple other jobs. Currently summoner can raise a healer in light party content but that's about it. Not saying every job should get it, just maybe one or two more and odds to have someone who can raise a healer would be better.

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Originally Posted by Legion88

Not if it is limited to use for like 10 sec after death and give further disadvantages like no actions, no movement, no use of skills for 5-10 sec after selfres and an no LB for like 30 sec.

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what's the point in getting reraised if you have a penalty right after getting up? 5-10 secs are like "hours" in those situations healers actually could die nowadays... reraise under those conditions would be pretty useless in the end - but yeah indeed without penalty it's way to powerful... so no for me - reraise = bad idea :3

There is a skill in the game that does this already, its called not standing in the bad.

Or maybe just get rid of the weakness debuff at least.

I'm lost, how does one evade a instant raid KO from re raising? Even while being rezzed normally, you still will take damage. (Despite you can't even be healed/buffed yet) Once everyone is dead, the trial/boss fight resets, even if you press it as everyone dies. It's pretty much the same as having another healer dead, using raise and pressing the ok prompt when the wipe happens. It won't work because you are still busy warping. Unless you guys actually think SE wouldn't put in such a measure on an ability.

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Originally Posted by Zaj_Quilos

Or maybe just get rid of the weakness debuff at least.

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That isn't going to happen, easily abusable with debuff mechanics where someone just dies/raise to get rid of it and still push DPS. The best you can do is activate the FC Back on Your Feet II Buff for less time in weakness by 15%.

They could make it so that it doesn't activate on certain attacks, similar to Hallowed Ground. That way it actually could never be 'abused' to dodge mechanics. The only way it could be implemented was if it could only be cast on the healer and you had some kind of limitation afterwards, and obviously only cast outside of combat.

I'm with the guys who say it shouldn't be added to this game, but I can sort of understand the OP's argument too. If a healer dies, fights can go downhill very fast. It's not the same with DPS or a single tank dying (in most cases anyway).

I have a solution for your healer dying problem. Bring a Summoner :D

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Originally Posted by Cleftobismal

I'm lost, how does one evade a instant raid KO from re raising? ...Once everyone is dead, the trial/boss fight resets, even if you press it as everyone dies.

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This is not true for every raid.

For example, this could be easily exploited in Garuda EX if the party fails to keep the pillars standing. The attack that would normally kill anyone that isn't a tank could be reversed by having the healer raise themselves. Allow the tank to hold Garuda for a few seconds and, using MP regen abilities, the healers could effectively raise the entire party. They would have weakness, yes, but they would have avoided the penalty for failing a very important mechanic towards the beginning of an endgame fight.

That being said, as a healer, I'm not for the idea of being able to raise myself or giving other roles the ability to raise me. Personally, I like to think that every role and person in a party has a responsibility. Mine is to keep myself and my party members alive. Giving me the ability to raise or giving it to everyone else would remove my penalty for not doing my job, as well as give new players a very bad mindset. Letting SMN have this ability is interesting only because it makes you want to bring a SMN into certain raids, but this effectively means you might find it harder to meet DPS checks. It's a tactical decision. There is no tactical decision once everyone has the same ability.

But this is just my preference.

I see both sides here, it is a very nice skill to have. I played a Resto Shaman is WoW and had this skill, it had a really long cool down like 10 minutes or something so it couldn't be abused, and it made the difference many times between clearing a boss and a wipe. WoW also didn't have a limit break ability so the conflict that many are stating here didn't exist. I do see how in this game it could potentially overpower some of the end game mechanics. There would definitely have to be something put in place so that it didn't interfere with having a fair fight.

This skill-type exists in World of Warcraft as Warlock's "Soulstone", which lets them give a targetted living player one weakness-free res if they die within 15 minutes of its applied cast (10 minute cast cooldown). It has existed since the early days of the game (though it has been tweaked considerably), and contrary to the apparent expectation it has not corrupted the raiding meta even in 10-man and has proved exceedingly useful, though it is mainly used for its wipe-recovery in WoW's respawning-trash-filled raid instances rather than its effects during battle so that parties don't have to reclear garbage should they wipe on the boss.

In this game I can't see why a similar reraise mechanic couldn't be implemented, as it would likely take the place of an additional tank-invulnerability move like Hallowed/Holm/LD or find use when sacrificing for a difficult mechanic, though I imagine the cooldown would also be hefty on its use. However I wouldn't expect such an ability to appear until an expansion as a new level-cap ability for one of the healing classes, as it's always an option for a level 70/80/90 etc ability.

Shaman in WoW has this ability, but idk if it would work in this game

I'm sort of split on a reraise mechanic.

On one hand, I do not share the concerns that some people have about it (being able to cheese mechanics). Since it would be a new ability you get somewhere above 60, it would be unavailable in old content, therefore not impacting it, and new content would obviously be designed with it in mind, as is already the case with the three invulnerability CDs. Plus, I'd reckon it would be relatively easy to implement it in a way similar to those CDs, which already don't work on some attacks, so that it simply does not trigger on certain mechanics.

On the other hand, I feel like it's a pretty boring effect by itself, and that there could be way more interesting things healers could get past 60. Especially for WHM - where such an ability, let's face it, would most likely end up on - we've seen a few interesting things in LCoA HM that could reasonably be added in some (obviously sufficiently altered) way in the future, like Libra, Reverse, or Decoy. Of course, we've also actually seen a reraise mechanic there, the Seeds of Life that the last boss uses, so it's not entirely out of the question, either. I just hope it won't be Yet Another Buff that healers have to throw out before a fight, because that would be extremely boring.