something i wrote on the Japanes forums

親愛なるヨッシーの私は 1 つの質問があるか。
親愛なるヨッシーの私は 1 つの質問があるか。


なぜ、英語のフォーラムに応答リード チームのメンバーがないか。


ようなもの私たちの議論を置く


英語日本語使用にビンビン

Transulaton

Dear Yoshi i have a question?

Why is no lead team member responding to the english forums?

But a lot post on the japanese forums. Kind of makes our opinions unheard

English to japanese transulation useing Bing


Lets see if we get a responce

Probably have no one that can speak english and be dedicated to the forums. Pretty sure Yoshi-P has people checking the forums for each reigon and having ideas sent to him to respond to.

Honestly don't blame them, I mean have you seen some of these topics? The thing about the translation sites, they don't do it flawlessly. I've translated Japanese to English and have come up with posts that were rather difficult to read. I imagine it is the same for English to Japanese.

Anyhoo, I have to agree with Corrderio. I know that they have that one translator, can't remember her name, but I'm sure she is busy with other things. I imagine that taking care of three other forums that aren't in their native language is a pretty big task. Though, I do understand what the OP was saying. It I would like to see more responses too ^^;

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Originally Posted by Corrderio

Probably have no one that can speak english and be dedicated to the forums. Pretty sure Yoshi-P has people checking the forums for each reigon and having ideas sent to him to respond to.

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This. he does have people checking our forums and they are sending him the info which seems to me more so the hot topic info. Since english isn't his 1st language im sure he has issues reading it sometimes. Which is why he have people translate it to him then he responds and they translate it back to us.

Since he did respond to 2 so far it at least let us know SOMEBODY is reading them and he is getting some kind of heads up.

did they tell u you to gtfo of their forum?
Cuz if i were japanese i would.

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Originally Posted by Laughlyn

did they tell u you to gtfo of their forum?
Cuz if i were japanese i would.

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Lol! Fortunately, you aren't Japanese. I'd like to think that I was really polite. Stated that I was using a translation tool, among saying a few other things. I think that at least some of them would understand.

no difference is Japanese people are not like western people in that thay would not say GTFO. thay probaly have no idea that no one responds to our fourms as often as theres. You can find 6 or 7 threads on the japanese fourms where Yoshi or a lead team member has posted. Then get a semi transulated one here. to be honest ZAM had Yoshi post on the japanese fourms about jump before anyone posted anything about it here. Witch you would think that perhaps if a responce is givin out , it would all go out at the same time in all forms of speak. That would make sence to me

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Originally Posted by Lahru_Hukurou

Lol! Fortunately, you aren't Japanese. I'd like to think that I was really polite. Stated that I was using a translation tool, among saying a few other things. I think that at least some of them would understand.

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Sorry, reply was meant for OP.
But ya im not Japanese, British nor American.
Sadly im one of the few swedish people playing this awesome looking mmo.

But hail to my fellow Nordic countrymen anyway lol.

I think it is simply there are not a lot of Japanese who understand and speak/write other language than Japanese.
If you had any business experience with Japanese before, you should understand that it is not a country very open
to the world.
This is also same for French. Usually French also does not like to speak other language than their own.

This happens commonly in country which has very old tradition and history and when their people are very proud of it.
So, the best way is to learn Japanese.

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Originally Posted by Piguette

I think it is simply there are not a lot of Japanese who understand and speak/write other language than Japanese.
If you had any business experience with Japanese before, you should understand that it is not a country very open
to the world.
This is also same for French. Usually French also does not like to speak other language than their own.

This happens commonly in country which has very old tradition and history and when their people are very proud of it.
So, the best way is to learn Japanese.

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or try to make out a transulation useing bing or google. or like said learn japanese rosetta stone japanese is only 500$ american >.>

it might have something to do with an earthquake, tsunami, and nuclear meltdown. just maybe though.

1) Google/Bing translator should be a no no for any important post One miss word and the whole thing falls apart

2) I would rather him focus his time on the game than learn english.

I'm disappointed in the PERSISTANT lack of English-speaking in this large Japanese corporation across two generations, let alone a global corporation. Nevermind a global one where 2/3 of their revenue comes from english-speaking regions and 3/4 of their goal revenue is set to come from non-japanese regions in 2011 per their end of 2010 investor meeting.

English is the international business language, and Japan has largely embraced and led that push. I've had several friends study abroad in Japan, and they all say there is no lack of English-speaking there ESPECIALLY in the business world.

They don't have a single significant person on the team who speaks English in 2010? That right there is a huge lack of buffer against disaster.

They have to know English. SOMEONE has to learn English. Has to. Square Enix is not going to be able to handle another decade of oursourced localization and contracted translators to take the pulse of the gaming world for them.

They've had a decade to find a videogame developer who knew English to be a big part of this project. And they don't have a single one.

I wish some fansite would translate his posts at least :(

If they fix the "Dev Tracker" button to indicate posts instead of entire 20 page threads, I think more forum-goers will be able to translate it.

One thing to translate it, another to sift through hundreds of posts to find something worthwhile to.

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Originally Posted by tymora

If they fix the "Dev Tracker" button to indicate posts instead of entire 20 page threads, I think more forum-goers will be able to translate it.

One thing to translate it, another to sift through hundreds of posts to find something worthwhile to.

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=7816#post7816

There! ^_^

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

I'm disappointed in the PERSISTANT lack of English-speaking in this large Japanese corporation across two generations, let alone a global corporation. Nevermind a global one where 2/3 of their revenue comes from english-speaking regions and 3/4 of their goal revenue is set to come from non-japanese regions in 2011 per their end of 2010 investor meeting.

English is the international business language, and Japan has largely embraced and led that push. I've had several friends study abroad in Japan, and they all say there is no lack of English-speaking there ESPECIALLY in the business world.

They don't have a single significant person on the team who speaks English in 2010? That right there is a huge lack of buffer against disaster.

They have to know English. SOMEONE has to learn English. Has to. Square Enix is not going to be able to handle another decade of oursourced localization and contracted translators to take the pulse of the gaming world for them.

They've had a decade to find a videogame developer who knew English to be a big part of this project. And they don't have a single one.

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I know right? Hell, even I know basic japanese and also have a willingness to learn more, and I don't even have a monetary icnentive to do so. You'd think given the fact that they have english lessons on trains in Japan these days that some people high up in SE might have taken the initiative/embraced to concept of learning a different language.

Google Chrome has an auto-translate feature that works fairly good in my opinion. It'll translate the entire page in about 1-2 seconds. I can get the jist of most of what is written. You have to look more at the main ideas behind a sentence or paragraph and not the literal words because of the difference in language structure.

I don't want to come off as SPEAK AMERICAN/ don't mess with Texas here. But the standard in their business world is facility with the English language and they just haven't done it because they don't think they have to. No other excuse.

This is one department where Square Enix should have taken it upon themselves in 2000 to ELIMINATE this barrier by 2010. They say their main goal is globalization, but they seem to make no real efforts toward setting up success in that department. They're still the same isolated JP company they were when Ted Woolsey wrote whatever the hell he wanted. They just have better contractors who will go to intricate lengths to translate japanese into Pirate.

But when it comes to interacting and understanding what the DOMINANT videogaming world wants...they have nothing. After 20 years of dwindling JP influence and rising NA and European influence...no progress to keep up. No indication of flexibility and change.

I really do think this is the plight of the JP videogaming industry right now. It's a main cause for DQ9, FF13, and FF14's poor reception. And it is a huge cause for this game's faceplant on launch. We sent them 20,000 suggestions. That's our way of saying WHAT IS THIS???

keep it commin guys, maybe we will get a MOD to atleast read the posts

Well in regards to the OP, the lead teams are all Japanese. Obvious fact is obvious, but it's quite possible that just like a lot of people where I currently live(Puerto Rico), they may be able to speak English and read it, but are nervous about writing in it since there are a lot of subtleties that need to be taken into account when writing stuff. Hell, I speak near perfect Spanish, but I don't like writing in it for that very reason(maybe I'm just projecting >.> ), so I can't really judge anyone for it.

I'm sure though that if it's something that really needs to be transmitted to all the forums, they'll get right on it. Otherwise, much like the OP, take the time to learn Japanese. Aside from letting you read the forums at your leisure, it's always handy to be multi-lingual when heading to a job interview.

I knew this would happen, it was so obvious and unavoidable.

But I think right now, we probably wont get any serious translate stuff. At least they do post translated stuff when needed such as the Jump information and Black Shroud remodel.

What I dont like about the dev tracker thing is, even tho it shows you posts a mod/admin/etc has posted in, it doent take you to that post, just the forum, so threads with like 15 pages you gotta hunt through.

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Originally Posted by viion

What I dont like about the dev tracker thing is, even tho it shows you posts a mod/admin/etc has posted in, it doent take you to that post, just the forum, so threads with like 15 pages you gotta hunt through.

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...Have you tried clicking on it? Always takes me directly to the post in question...