Very interesting.... =]Quote:
Originally Posted by Jekyll
Thoughts?
DRK Buff?
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02-13-2016, 03:18 AMSyzygianDRK Buff?
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02-13-2016, 03:23 AMshao32
you all know they are fighting in one of the new bosses right? he use dark passenger whe the clon apears so i dont belive thats a change for the class.
btw i find a bug in a3 months ago thats create clones for all my party and the clones dont do anithing, only stay there. -
02-13-2016, 03:25 AMBadRNG
I think that's a fight mechanic, the purple glow on the ground is the same as when mobs spawn, the "split" is just the DRK standing still. If you look at the MNK behind the boss you see the purple glow at the same time as the DRK, and (I think) something stuck there too.
Would love to be wrong of course. -
02-13-2016, 03:28 AMSanadaiyeve
Would be wicked awesome to get a skill like that.
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02-13-2016, 03:37 AMMagiusNecros
Probably a fight mechanic. Unless classes are getting new skills/traits which I highly doubt.
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02-13-2016, 03:39 AMTanathya
That boss creates doppelgangers. You can see the first image they showed us facing a dragoon with its doppelganger.
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02-13-2016, 03:44 AMMagiusNecrosYup came back after analyzing and it creates copies of everyone. Show's over folks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tanathya
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02-13-2016, 03:53 AMCynric
such a shame though. would've been really cool to have something like that as a skill.
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02-13-2016, 05:51 AMFebrus
The Drk seems to use Shadow Skin just before the clone appears. It would have made sense for shadow skin to actually generate, you know, a shadow skin. It would have been especially cool if that clone acted as a decoy for boss aggro...
I wonder what purpose the clones serve in that fight though. They didn't seem to move or anything, so ... just to screw with the healer maybe? -
02-13-2016, 07:53 AMGalgarion
Blood weapon while grit is up! This is all!
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02-13-2016, 08:23 AMMagiusNecrosWhat you talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by Galgarion
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02-13-2016, 08:27 AMGalgarionI would like to be able to use blood weapon without turning off grit. Did I type it in Portuguese or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by MagiusNecros
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02-13-2016, 08:30 AMMagiusNecrosI thought you were insinuating that they used BW in Grit in the video clip. While I would like BW to be usable in Grit I don't think it will ever happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galgarion
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02-13-2016, 08:32 AMTanathyaI thought the same. Even if Blood Weapon was usable under Grit, I would still turn Grit off. No reason to have it up, at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by MagiusNecros
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02-13-2016, 08:35 AMFinalWolfIf they do allow it then it should recover TP from each attack instead of MP while in gritQuote:
Originally Posted by Galgarion
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02-13-2016, 08:52 AMGalgarionAhhhhhhhh. Gotcha.Quote:
Originally Posted by MagiusNecros
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02-13-2016, 11:17 AMSyzygian
Blood Weapon is never going to be useable in Grit, and if it was, it would imbalance DRK's playstyle even more. DRK OTs would be 100% unheard of and shunned, and it would make MT DPS pretty broken.
Its pretty obviously designed to be an OT stance in cooldown form, they aren't going to make it usable in Grit any more than they're going to give PLDs extra autos in ShO, or give WARs Fell Cleave and Decimate in Defiance.
I'm all for any neat QoL things DRK may or may not get in 3.2, but the whole Blood Weapon in Grit thing is one I'm really weary of hearing. Its very obviously designed to be separate from Grit.
One idea that I thought of the other day was to put Grit off-GCD and make it a cooldown with identical duration and recast to Blood Weapon, as this would make DRK's "stances" unique and differentiate it from the other two tanks considerably, and be very much in keeping with how skilled DRKs are utilizing Grit these days anyway. They would not share a recast timer, but using one would still cancel the other, adding an extra layer of strategy. I guess the big problem with my idea is in dungeons where it would make you feel kinda squishy in those big pulls that you want to have Grit up for all the time. Perhaps making it something like BoTD that you can extend the timer for by using certain actions or something. Not something that the job really needs, but fun to think about. -
02-13-2016, 11:41 AMJim_BerryWe're overdue for some traits. Disappointed that my PLD didn't have any Enmity passives.Quote:
Originally Posted by MagiusNecros
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02-13-2016, 04:07 PMGalgarionWho cares what it was designed for? It's something I want. That's why it's called a wish list.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syzygian
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02-13-2016, 04:15 PMSyzygianI like DRK being a job that requires a bit of skill and forethought. If you just give a job all of its tools all the time regardless of situation or role being played with no consequences or hoops/mechanics to jump through... well I dunno. I just think that's stupid. =/ I'd like to be able to spam Geirskogul outside of BoTD on my DRG when I take my weekly jaunt into Void Ark but uhh... I just wouldn't wish a dumbing down of a job like that on those that main it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galgarion
Anyway, if you DID get BW in Grit, what would you give DRK to differentiate its OT playstyle from its MT playstyle? Cause at that point, there'd be almost nothing. -
02-13-2016, 07:45 PMMagiusNecrosThey got lazy with Heavensward and decided no traits for anything past 50.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim_Berry
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02-14-2016, 09:56 PMDBelmontI would not personally ask for BW in Grit but I would prefer it if BW swapped you out of Grit and not having the need to walk around the GCD in such a clunky way. Well, they did mention possible changes in tank stances so hopefully this will get addressed/fixed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syzygian
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02-16-2016, 01:44 AMMPNZ
I just want DRK to be less messy, and remove dark arts and make it's modifiers become active with grit right now. We can add new skills later like giving it a stack that goes up to 20 with Darkside activated, buffs at a certain number of stacks, becomes really drainy at 20 stacks that would also nerf mp regain, and when you hit darkside or spit at 20 stacks would use the skills darkness (AOE) with DS or crushing blow (High damage single-hit skill) with spit that would drain 1/7th of your HP but restore 75% of your MP or something. And, using them would disengage DS. Seriously, DRKs are supposed to have their HP or MP everywhere.
I would also like a DRK minion that would share your race and gender, and spew insults and condescending remarks while being super cute! XD -
02-16-2016, 01:55 AMShurrikhan
Was thinking that was a boss-given (de)buff at first. But if that's a DRK change instead, I am cautiously hyped.
A limited health clone could be awfully nice for avoiding tank-targeted cleaves and whatnot. Would also be pretty awesome if it tracked your movement when using Dark Passenger, or allowed you to swap positions during it, etc. (Separate CD while Shadowskin clone is active)... /drool
And with that in mind, could we get an actual Shadow WALL? And a shared-pool absorption shield via DA-Dark Mind...
...I better stop there before this gets out out of hand. -
02-16-2016, 01:58 AMSpookyGhostDefinitely a boss thing, what with it affecting everyone. Unless DRK, for some reason, got a party-wide thing that let everyone leave a copy of themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shurrikhan
I'm not... entirely sure... what this ability would be used for if it did exist, though. Even if it were just a DRK thing that didn't affect anyone else I dunno what you'd do with a photocopy of yourself. -
02-16-2016, 02:33 AMMagiusNecros
Pretty sure it's a lame boss mechanic. If it isn't it's a skill that will work similar to the PLD's Divine Veil.
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02-16-2016, 02:35 AMShurrikhanThey mentioned changes to Oaths and other stancing abilities(?). Maybe Grit itself will be affected too?Quote:
Originally Posted by Syzygian
I feel like one of the easiest ways to bring out the changes more is to put the two variants (Grit and no-Grit) closer back to back, so that their smaller differences aren't forgotten after taking and/or eventually sitting in either stance.
For instance, if Shield Oath and Grit each gave some benefit (nearly) worth their MP other than merely switching stances, such as a small shielding effect, a debuff-purge, or whatever might be appropriate, the relative cost of that lost GCD and MP would decrease, making stance dancing more lucrative and thereby, in all likelihood, more frequent. Once Grit's not treated as a permanently held eHP standard, nor the lack of it as necessarily requiring adjustment of CDs (it's now worth it to simply put Grit back up instead of having to pop Shadow Wall instead of Shadowskin there), the differences even in just that 20% mitigation should actually stick out more. Alternatively, the MP cost itself could be reduced, or the GCD cost cut in half (functioning a bit like Meditation does on Monks, consuming roughly half a GCD).
Or, looking at differentiation a bit more directly, we could vary the toolkit according to Grit status. Dark Passenger could create or manipulate a said 'Passenger' in Grit or according to damage taken, while remaining simple AoE burst when out of Grit. Blood Weapon itself could give HP per hit and increased life-steal in Grit, and give MP per hit and increased haste while out of Grit. Any of these things would make your toolkit feel adjusted between positions.
(My personal favorite design structure is a pipedream that involves somewhat centering DRK gameplay around resources that the CDs tap into, rather than the CDs themselves being the end all be all, allowing the DRK to generate CD-usable resources or stacks by, say, evasion and magic damage (shadow; usable in Shadow Skin, Shadow Wall, and Shadow Dance), bleeding, lifestealing, and absorbing (blood; usable in Blood Price and Blood Weapon), and parrying and resisting (steel; usable in Grit). But, that's much too complicated for any realistic hope of development.)
Might some of these changes make DRK, already the strongest MT, even stronger? Certainly, but now that SE's finally willing to look at tank balance and seems interested in replacing certain old systems and possibly adding unique flavor, it seems a good time to consider changes that could improve gameplay through internal balance (between the choices viable within a given job) without being too firmly directed by external balance (specific and average strength relative to other jobs in the line-up). -
02-16-2016, 02:39 AMShurrikhanAhhh. I couldn't see anyone else in the party well enough to check if they had also suddenly grown a shadow clone. Well, the mundane it is, then. /Disappointment.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpookyGhost
Still a nice-looking mechanic though.
[Just for the sake of pondering though, I'd imagine it'd be used to hold the boss in place while you pick up adds, or, if short-lived, to avoid cleaves, etc., if damage is transferred from the shade to you, but the shade itself has no real hitbox (or has a pet-style AoE damage taken reduction). Makes me want to be able to charge it, move it, or place it on an enemy though, to haunt/reaper them...] -
02-17-2016, 02:18 AMMorzyI've seen this back in Final Coil. I think T12? I barely remember. Just know that we suddenly had 3 healers.Quote:
Originally Posted by shao32