Teleport kills immersion

As anyone else would, i have my opinions on the travel system but i am interested on peoples thoughts. Would you like more teleport locations or return to a more FFXI-esque system with limited teleportation using instead boats/airships for travel between regions.

Teleport is fastfood. And in my eyes, its the main reason, why the hunts turned into what we finally got.

During the BETA I did write down my thoughts on teleporting and I did ask for a better chocobo travel system. I really liked the travel System in WoW and the chocobo travel System could work same as good, if they would put some more time into it.

First thought upon seeing the thread title was "so don't teleport". It's there, but no one puts a gun to your head to do it. If it really kills your game experience that much, then go the long way everywhere. It's your sub fee, after all. Teleporting is a player convenience thing and I'm glad it's there.

if it ruins your immersion... then simply dont use it. Even if it ruins your style of gameplay, there are many others who will argue that it compliments theirs.

I am of the mindset that both styles are being accommodated for.
The lore actually gives us reasons why the aethernet systems even exist. Once you are able to physically attune to them, you can teleport to that location at will. I see no reason why Square Enix should not continue to use the lore they've already injected into the game in the future.

Also, Im assuming you have not played FFXI in some time. They now have the ability to teleport from any homepoint to another homepoint that you have already accessed before.
Not to mention, there are now similar teleport options scattered around the world in the form of npc books, and other places where you can teleport from Jeuno to a specified location around Vanadiel using Crystals as a form of teleport currency. (I cannot remember the names of these systems, but I'm sure you could google it, if you are so inclined)

Then don't do it?

Lalafells ruin my immersion. They should delete the Lalafells.

Probably wouldn't have made my thread about the monsters if I saw this, as it goes hand and hand for me.

Personally I'm mixed on it... Because I understand and agree with both mindsets, I just don't know which does the game more good in the long run.

When I played ffxi, I felt overwhelmed by the massive land structures and traveling. For me, traveling to different areas was an event all on its own... And I miss that. The vastness, the danger, possibility of getting lost, and the accomplishment you feel when you know your way around enough to guide others. I miss this feeling fairly often. As I've said elsewhere in sure a lot of that goes hand and hand with my age then and now... But still.

And then on the other hand, I don't have time for that anymore! Yoshi brought up a fair point about it being more convenient. I just think we lost something in the process

Traveling through Eorzea the first time on foot or mount is awesome, but after seeing the same places 2000000 times it's nice to be able to just teleport around. And like others said, if you think teleport is ruining the way you play the game, then don't use it. The option is there for players to use if they want to and it should stay like that.

Honestly, I'm cheap when comes to teleporting. Rather than spending 4xx on a teleport from Ul'dah to Limsa, I would take the airship and get to Limsa that way. Anyway to save money on teleporting, I will take it.

Well that's the other thing I have issue with. The landscape in this game isn't that vast even if I wanted to chocobo it. I feel like it's a linear game. Say I wanted to take some bizarre route... I'm going to hit a wall fairly quickly in either direction... And the possibility of being lost is almost impossible. I will give credit to the new content though for being larger due to the flying mechanic.

Also just for the sake of argument, giving the players a choice to hoof it wouldn't solve the issue if quick travel was indeed an issue that's causing problems in game, it would have to be mandatory to give the desired effect (again just for sake of argument).

I recently replayed through the game on an alt - and there is certainly a sense of wonder and beauty when you're required to travel by mount or on foot. But that novelty quickly (VERY QUICKLY) wears off. By the time I hit the 2.1 content, I was tired and ready to just be able to teleport back and forth to my quest destinations. I still like to stop and just visit locations in game sometimes and appreciate their beauty and the scope of the world - but long travel can and does get tiring for many players who just want to quickly hop in somewhere and get some content done on a limited time schedule.

Not teleporting looks great in an MMO anime. Sadly in real life it just doesn't seem too fun to walk everywhere.

If SE dedicated some time for chocobo flying paths and removing the teleport. Yes it will be much more immersive.
However since its already there, you can just guess how many people will whine for removing teleport.

Oh trust me. Teleportation will seem less of an immersion breaker when you see the flying turtle (and eventually Fenrir and possibly tank mounts).

i used to use the choco porter a lot when i was questing, there was a sense of adventure when runing the zones the first time.

but once i started gathering i found the teleport a must sadly, there was no way i would get around between unspoiled nodes in wine port and the end of cortheas without teleport.
and now its even worse in hw the unspoiled only stays up for 1 erozian hour which is around 2 min and 55s , there is no way to gather anything related to collectables unless u use teleports.

while i like the idea of less teleports, i think the way it is now its a must for gathers

When travelling distances too short to Teleport ((Heading to Whitebrim anyone?)) I usually just set it to auto run and read something while course correcting via the corner of my eye. I've seen these routes before. I haven't been hit with amnesia between now and the dozen times I've ran the route while it was still novel hundreds of trips ago. It wouldn't be any different if I had to run from Camp Tranquil to Camp Overlook.

I'm a FFXI player too and yes, walking around gives a better immersion, BUT this MMORG can't fit that experience.

We need fast-traveling i order to achieve stuff such as gathering or hunting.


Sometimes I go back to old maps and take some walks for lore reasons, and that's cool, but I don't want to be forced to spend the 80% of my gameplay just walking around on the same places over and over again.

meh traveling in mmorpgs is ok once , twice at most...then is just a way to wasted time and keep u subbed.... dying alone in the middle of a zone before finishing an important quest? , back to city and travel back (30~min) ...if u can only play 2h every other day ....25% of time is wasted just traveling (not having any fun or advancing in anyway)...

teleports and fast travel have existed in mmorpgs (videogames) since the begining , hell even old games that u were unable to "save" , got passwords so u were able to enter that the next day and continue playing even if that means starting the stage....others didnt even have that and u had to start again and again....

Considering how of often quests sends us back-and-forth between different zones (not to mention hunts etc.), I would say teleport is pretty much a necessity in FFXIV. Travel by foot or chocobo is certainly possible, but one would very quickly become tired of travelling the same routes over and over again.

Limited teleport wouldn't work in FFXIV, there's no "world" so to speak, it's all zoned. It works in WoW because you can get on a flying mount and fly to your destination easily without zoning, it works in Black Desert Online because the game was literally built with the lack of fast travel in mind and also has an auto pathing option. It just won't work in FFXIV, if teleporting ruins your immersion the loading screens wouldn't be any better for you.

I'm glad the teleport system exists, it's very nice to explore some location and travel to it the very first time, after that it just becomes troublesome and boring to do it again.
Comparing this to WoW, since people went there, i don't know how the state of traveling is now, but when i played it was very time consuming a bigger waste of it, specially when you wanted to keep hopping between areas, i much more prefer this system.

What they could do is improve the choboco travel a bit, teleport is only for major areas\outposts (and it's good it stays that way) and i've seen a few tiny settlements that don't even have the chocobo porter to it, it would be nice if it was added.

I honestly liked how teleports were before. With the entire...anima? or whatever it was called? You know when you could teleport a certain number of times that charged up like the leves back during 1.x era.

It allowed for enough teleporting but teleport too much and you were forced to run around the world. That said, I really don't get that feeling in 2.x/3.x that zones are large and vast. Well...I do get it in some 3.x zones(until I unlocked flying for that zone).

I loved when people traveled more on foot or on chocobo. It leads to interesting situations and interactions. Like while traveling, you notice another player almost dieing from a mob and you decide to quickly dismount to pop up a heal, or quickly dispose of the mob. Or back in ffxi, you sometimes died and hoped that someone happened to be in the surroundings to cast a raise. This player interaction is what I'm missing.


Even things like boat/airship travels caused people to relax and occasionally start a conversation with those on the ship. People don't really realize it. But placing things in a game that makes us pause, tends to lead to more player interaction. Put a group of people together in a single room and they will eventually interact.

I tend to notice a real lack of player interaction in FFXIV. It has nothing to do with community as it is more a direct result of how the game is.

small zones and lalafells, kill immersion, too; and most players.

the silly part is that every quest asks you to teleport between every corner of the realm, and make it sound like a grand and tough journey...ya, no...it took a few second - and when you get there, the NPCs have already been waiting for you, for a few hours - annoyed that you took so long.
So if aetherytes are lore, then why do NPCs expect you to run from Dravania to S-Than, and back? then to limsa ->gridania->dravania, for good measure.

Play Void ark if you want some Immersion

Teleporting isn't the problem. The problem is there's nothing to do in the world. Hunts were a nice attempt at fixing this, but they didn't really stick and weren't exactly fun - it was also one thing to do in the open world which doesn't exactly come across as... y'know... variety. It's fine to have instant access to the places you want to get to, but there should be a reason to roam the open world outside of the leveling process to attune to Aetherytes.

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A million times this. I forgot about the anima ... That was actually a fairly good compromise.

That and NMs that dropped rare but not godly amazing gear in 1.0. They would drop cool items of w.e their level was... So maybe 2-3 people at most were camping it if that... And the reapawns will be quick. Can\\'t believe I forgot it cause my current title is NM hunter.

They really should bring back the NMs. As long as they don\\'t drop FFXI shinanigans gear they were never a problem

Sorry, I can only enjoy the same landscape with mobs in the distance so many times until I'm sick of it. I got places to be and things to do.

This game simply would not appeal to alot of the casual base if we had to take a 10-15 minute run everytime I wanted to go somewhere.

Spookyghost has it right though. Why would I run through zones i've seen 100 times already if there isn't anything for me to do? Just set me up with a 10 minute load screen instead, then at least I can get some reading in while I wait. It would essentially be the same thing.

Personally I enjoyed the boat ride myself in FFXI and would welcome to option to do it again, likewise with airship. May not always be the most exciting but I found it relaxing and a good chance to talk to people. Could even throw in the random fate that pops now and then while on them, not interested in the fate? Go in the cabin and stay safe. :3

I'm annoyed enough with both Coerthas Central and Western Highlands only having one Aetheryte

I wouldn't want even less in the future

How does something that's written in the lore of the game kill immersion?

Sorry OP.

It's Established Lore that teleportation is an archaic means of travel that is typically used by adventurers, Mages, and others in possession of large inner aether reserves.

It's not as common because one, only what you have on your person (Clothes, weapons, snack cakes in your left pocket, ect) can be teleported with you combined with the fact that not everyone is physically capable of using it often if at all.

So, adventurers teleport to Aetherytes they've discovered as a convenient form of travel, Merchants and Common Folk use Chocobo Carriages for transporting goods and everyday travel, And Dignitaries and The Eristocracy use airships out of both convenience and privilege.

It's actually more lore breaking to be wearing one of the glamour outfits from the veteran's rewards since the characters those costumes are based on have never been in Hydaelyn. I'll give a pass on the FF13 gear as Lightning was actually physically here for a while.

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the silly part is that every quest asks you to teleport between every corner of the realm, and make it sound like a grand and tough journey...ya, no...it took a few second - and when you get there, the NPCs have already been waiting for you, for a few hours - annoyed that you took so long.
So if aetherytes are lore, then why do NPCs expect you to run from Dravania to S-Than, and back? then to limsa ->gridania->dravania, for good measure.

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The big secret is, they teleported there ahead of you, but all that armor you repaired before meeting them took about 20 minutes a piece to repair and it also took about two and a half hours to walk the 8 malms to where they were waiting for you. So they're tiffed that they beat you there and have to play triple triad for hours waiting of "The Warrior of Light" <Mocking Tone> to grace them with their presence. And since we ALL know Tataru cheats that's certainly no fun.

Teleporting is convenient and is already a large part of how people play. If it were taken out now, the outcry from the players would be extreme.

However, I would like the option to utilize longer modes of travel. I often miss the boat rides in FFXI, where I could watch the scenery pass by while fishing. Or getting a bird's eye view of the landscape while chatting with friends on the airship ride.

Those were fun and memorable.

One of the things that I hated in XI and (and other MMO's) is how long it took to get places. Judging by the boards plenty of people disagree with me but in a video game I don't want to have to factor in commute time to my fun. I like the teleport system in FFXIV. I don't always use it--I take chocobo porters and airships a fair amount, but I'm glad it is there as an option.

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Originally Posted by Lan_Mantear

However, I would like the option to utilize longer modes of travel. I often miss the boat rides in FFXI, where I could watch the scenery pass by while fishing. Or getting a bird's eye view of the landscape while chatting with friends on the airship ride.

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You can use Choco Porters and The Airships to travel if you want. The three main city states can fly you to each other for 1500 a pop then there is a Chocobo Porter or Chocobo stone just about everywhere and connected to all the others. But the airships just have a short fast travel CS and the Porters are on Auto Pilot usually making it easier to just walk or ride your own chocobo. I actually had to ride from Mor Dohna to to Limsa because I ran out of teleport money once. I make sure to keep about 5k on me at all times now.

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As you said, airship rides in FFXIV are just short cut scenes. Its not the same.

Nostalgically, I remember one chocobo trip I took from Bastok to Jueno as a level 20 Warrior.
Everything was going well, the scenery was wonderful and the background music relaxing. Everything changed when I entered Rolanberry Fields. My ever so faithful chocobo decided to abandon me because my time ran out!

I was forced to channel Solid Snake as I sneaked my way around mobs only to fail and make a last ditch effort to flee, training Goblins,Quadavs, and bees to the entrance of Jeuno passing bazaaring alts. Who hopefully weren't massacred after I zoned.

I remember taking a sigh of relief as made it to the zone and my screen turned black. Only to gasp in dismay when my screen finished loading and I found my character lying on the streets of Lower Jueno dead from a last hit of a Quadav sword. @_@

Travel was a large part of the experience in XI, whether it was traveling to the city or traveling to an XP location. It was always fun and provided it's own set of challenges.

I definitely don't miss the long wait times, and the drama the occurred when a member of your party would constantly die on the way to that premo camping spot, but I do kind of wish a form of that existed in XIV.

Boats and airships shouldn't have been reduced to black screens. We have too many fast travel options. The original lore of having to use anima I thought was a better system and with the addition of mounts it made it less of an issue. Sadly we live in a time where people want to rush everywhere and not be stuck traveling or actually having to think about where they want to teleport too.

To be honest, I completely agree. I hated the teleport system when I played GW2 and hate it here as well. WoW with the flight purchases worked quite well at getting you places relatively quickly, while also giving you the sense that the world is vast.

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How does something that's written in the lore of the game kill immersion?

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Because you are separated from the lore while using it. Firstly, I am not sure if gil costs are built into the lore - or why that makes sense. Second, you have this window pop up with your selected places to teleport that clearly disconnects you from the world around you.

The world is effectively made much smaller, and you interact more with pop up windows than you do with the open world. (between teleport, DF, PF etc).

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As you said, airship rides in FFXIV are just short cut scenes. Its not the same.

Nostalgically, I remember one chocobo trip I took from Bastok to Jueno as a level 20 Warrior.
Everything was going well, the scenery was wonderful and the background music relaxing. Everything changed when I entered Rolanberry Fields. My ever so faithful chocobo decided to abandon me because my time ran out!

I was forced to channel Solid Snake as I sneaked my way around mobs only to fail and make a last ditch effort to flee, training Goblins,Quadavs, and bees to the entrance of Jeuno passing bazaaring alts. Who hopefully weren't massacred after I zoned.

I remember taking a sigh of relief as made it to the zone and my screen turned black. Only to gasp in dismay when my screen finished loading and I found my character lying on the streets of Lower Jueno dead from a last hit of a Quadav sword. @_@

Travel was a large part of the experience in XI, whether it was traveling to the city or traveling to an XP location. It was always fun and provided it's own set of challenges.

I definitely don't miss the long wait times, and the drama the occurred when a member of your party would constantly die on the way to that premo camping spot, but I do kind of wish a form of that existed in XIV.

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I wouldn't mind some areas where you were forced to go on foot for long distances and have to decide fight or flight. Make like a labyrinth or something where some mobs you can take and some you need to sneak past or run for your life. The main reason I have such hatred from most games that do that is the exp death penalty where you can actually drop levels from dieing. FF14 has no death penalty so the risks don't have as high consequences. But 11 iirc could drop you entier levels for dieing too often. Which was, to me, a bad game design in an over all poorly designed game.

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To be honest, I completely agree. I hated the teleport system when I played GW2 and hate it here as well. WoW with the flight purchases worked quite well at getting you places relatively quickly, while also giving you the sense that the world is vast.



Because you are separated from the lore while using it. Firstly, I am not sure if gil costs are built into the lore - or why that makes sense. Second, you have this window pop up with your selected places to teleport that clearly disconnects you from the world around you.

The world is effectively made much smaller, and you interact more with pop up windows than you do with the open world. (between teleport, DF, PF etc).

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Because the Aetheryte system was basically demolished in 1.0's end, there was a lot of expensive rebuilding. When we teleport, the fee is directed toward the debt the citystates have for putting up trillions of gil worth of aetherytes in 5 years, since it is a vital enough system they indebted themselves for it.

Its also in lore why there was no aetheryte near Waking Sands; Ul'Dah was trying to coerce Minfillia into allying the Scions with them by taking away convenience.