Jerks in PVP

Just wondering why some people just have to be jerks in PVP. I'm talking about Seal Rock here. I understand that it's not fun to lose, but c'mon, if you're pugging the thing there's no reason to get all bent out of shape when your team isn't as coordinated as a premade.

And man, when I ask for some commendations, be nice enough to do a few clicks and give it to me? Someone the other day said "I will if you're good." Well wtf. How do I "prove" I'm good enough to get a commendation?

Especially when I'm the only tank in the group. How do you quantify my contribution and compare it to other classes? And it's not like you can watch me play the whole time.

Not that I don't think its great to have organized play in pugs, with someone calling shots and people defending/capping nodes instead of fighting and chasing, but man do some of the peeps who take this sh it too seriously irk me.

If you were that serious, get into balmung or gilgamesh and join pvp linkshell and run some premades.

Do you thank me when I Thrill of War to save you? Or limit break right before cometeor storms hit? Should I shout in alliance chat so that I get recognized and "earn" a commendation?

For heavensakes, if someone asked me for a commendation, I'd just give it to him or her so he or she can achieve in-game goals.

You know what? I might just transfer to gilga or balmung and find some non-jerks to pvp with so I wouldn't have to deal with smug players.

For everyone who was nice enough to give me a commendation, thank you. I wish I could gather all of you into one server and invite you all into a linkshell.

Most of the time people don't commend cause they are trying to catch the queue train. If you don't you can look forward to another hr long queue at least on my data center. That's why so many just leave immediately after the match is over without saying a word or looking at stats or anything like that. Can thank SE for making the queues work the way they do forcing things like this.

i always give a commendation at the end of every duty except all the people were really really bad or unfriendly, because it's only a few clicks. but i NEVER give any commendations to a person who asks for it. that's just cheap begging (and also not fair for the other people).

I'm not thanking you for doing your job dude.

Well for any content I'd do a double take on anyone who asked for a comm outright.
Like, we haven't even done the duty yanno? How do I know you're good? In the end I'd probably NOT give it to you.

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Originally Posted by P4X0R10N

Do you thank me when I Thrill of War to save you? Or limit break right before cometeor storms hit? Should I shout in alliance chat so that I get recognized and "earn" a commendation?.

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Uh, yeah actually. Commendations aren't free. You have to earn them. Why would you think otherwise?

I find myself getting atleast 1 commendation per match. Not sure why since I'm not top kill-rate, but I can't complain

Adders here if that helps

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Originally Posted by AskaRay

Well for any content I'd do a double take on anyone who asked for a comm outright.
Like, we haven't even done the duty yanno? How do I know you're good? In the end I'd probably NOT give it to you.



Uh, yeah actually. Commendations aren't free. You have to earn them. Why would you think otherwise?

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Because it's ridiculous to think otherwise within the context of how the game is played? People don't give ANYONE commendations. It's immediate quit after the pvp match or dungeon is over. If it really was a merit system, people treated it as such, and said system actually gave enough information for people to make a decision, then yeah, it is something that should only be given out when earned. But as it is, it's just a useless feature that no one really cares about. Why not just give it to someone if that person can benefit from it? You're not losing anything.

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Originally Posted by myahele

I find myself getting atleast 1 commendation per match. Not sure why since I'm not top kill-rate, but I can't complain

Adders here if that helps

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Me too. Usually to the healer cuz theres too few of them.

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Originally Posted by xxczx

I'm not thanking you for doing your job dude.

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If that's the case no one shoud get a comendation...

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Originally Posted by P4X0R10N

Me too. Usually to the healer cuz theres too few of them.

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Thought you said "give" so nvm.

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Originally Posted by P4X0R10N

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You must be doing something wrong then, since I give AND get comms pretty much every run. Only when someone has failed to impress me (either with their skill, humor, or kindness) do I not give one. And every once in a while everyone leaves before I can. That doesn't actually usually happen, though. Even if I have to default to "yeah you know I like that class" unless they played horribly on that class then... I'll give it.

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Originally Posted by P4X0R10N

Because it's ridiculous to think otherwise within the context of how the game is played? People don't give ANYONE commendations. .

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I get commendations all the time. Maybe it's your delightful attitude? Or the begging for commendations?

People need to cool their jets in general. People don't focus when they're pissed off.

As far as commendations, they're like the Facebook likes of video games... too many people get distracted by how many they're getting, especially when they're not getting them. Know when you're doing well or not regardless and take pride in that.

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Originally Posted by FunkYeahDragons

People need to cool their jets in general. People don't focus when they're pissed off.

As far as commendations, they're like the Facebook likes of video games... too many people get distracted by how many they're getting, especially when they're not getting them. Know when you're doing well or not regardless and take pride in that.

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I only care so far as the rewards are concerned. I have been getting them, just 2 or 3 a match recently. Figured nobody cared about them. Because everyone insta quits after match is done.

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Originally Posted by Pence

I get commendations all the time. Maybe it's your delightful attitude? Or the begging for commendations?

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I'm asking, not begging. And what's wrong with my attitude. I ask for what I want and the person whom I'm asking doesn't lose anything from my asking.

This game isn't chess. It certainly isn't Go. In terms of demand on reflexes and dexterity it isn't an Fps or fighting game. Why make it seem like there's some high skill threshold someone's gotta meet to "deserve" one?

And tell me you don't see 95 percent of the team insta quit the moment the match is over. Give commendations? You'll miss them if you blink.

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Originally Posted by AskaRay

You must be doing something wrong then, since I give AND get comms pretty much every run. Only when someone has failed to impress me (either with their skill, humor, or kindness) do I not give one. And every once in a while everyone leaves before I can. That doesn't actually usually happen, though. Even if I have to default to "yeah you know I like that class" unless they played horribly on that class then... I'll give it.

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I give them every dungeon and every Fl match. Dungeons are a little easier because people will wait for loot sometimes. But I'm talking about pvp. If you pvp you know, at least on Aether, 95 percent or more quit the match the instant the score screen pops up. I often can't even choose who to give it too because there's only 1 person left after I take 2 secs to check my match stats.

Asking for a commendation comes across as 'I am awesome, I did awesome, reward me!'. The entitlement is strong.

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Originally Posted by Dimitrii

Most of the time people don't commend cause they are trying to catch the queue train. If you don't you can look forward to another hr long queue at least on my data center. That's why so many just leave immediately after the match is over without saying a word or looking at stats or anything like that. Can thank SE for making the queues work the way they do forcing things like this.

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Yeah I figured that's why. Queues have been good as of late as mael on Aether. It was horrid as flames.

Maybe I should take a break from pvp if I want comms. People so high strung in pvp sometimes.

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Originally Posted by Pence

Asking for a commendation comes across as 'I am awesome, I did awesome, reward me!'. The entitlement is strong.

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Entitled would be demanding it. I'm making a polite request. And like I said, nobody gives two sh its about it in pvp. I'm not seeking a reward, I'm requesting a favor, i.e. 2 secs of someone's time after a match.

Why make a big deal about it? Just chillax.

Might wanna look up words before you use it.

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Originally Posted by P4X0R10N

Entitled would be demanding it. I'm making a polite request. And like I said, nobody gives two sh its about it in pvp. I'm not seeking a reward, I'm requesting a favor, i.e. 2 secs of someone's time after a match.

Why make a big deal about it? Just chillax.

Might wanna look up words before you use it.

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So you made a thread asking for commendations, which nobody cares about that are not a big deal?

Seems like somebody cares about it. Did you ever consider people are actually commending people, just not you? If you're not receiving any I'm guessing this is the case.

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Originally Posted by Tint

i always give a commendation at the end of every duty except all the people were really really bad or unfriendly, because it's only a few clicks. but i NEVER give any commendations to a person who asks for it. that's just cheap begging (and also not fair for the other people).

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How exactly is it unfair? And by what logical, rational process do you come to the decision of who to give it to? Think fast cuz you got about 1.5 secs before the whole team disbanded!

Cmon bro. Be serious. Commendations is not a well designed system for rewarding and encouraging good play.

You don't know what you're even saying...

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Originally Posted by Pence

So you made a thread asking for commendations, which nobody cares about that are not a big deal?

Seems like somebody cares about it. Did you ever consider people are actually commending people, just not you? If you're not receiving any I'm guessing this is the case.

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Thread wasn't for asking for commendations, just voicing my opinion?

Do you even pvp bro? Yeah I get commendations now and then, but it doesn't take too many matches to see the vast majority don't really take the time to give out commendations in pvp.

Why you making this out to be a referendum on my personal character? I just asked for something people don't even care about in the context of pvp.

You don't know me. Stop being snide?

*dont take the time to give commendations is what I meant.

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Originally Posted by Pence

So you made a thread asking for commendations, which nobody cares about that are not a big deal?

Seems like somebody cares about it. Did you ever consider people are actually commending people, just not you? If you\\\\'re not receiving any I\\\\'m guessing this is the case.

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Don't try to be snide and insinuate that I don't get no loving cuz I'm not "good" at this game or that I did something, my attitude or whatnot, to not "deserve" getting a commendation. Don't be rude now.

Only reason I'm asking is cuz I want enough to be a mentor next patch and help out beginners for random glamours and fun. Figured since I\\\\'ve been pvping 5 hours a day that people might not mind helping me get to my goal faster.

And yeah, outside of this new feature, commemdations aren't a big deal. If you pvp you would know.

Back me up you hardcore pvpers. Do you all really care if you get a commendation? Does it make you feel all warm and fuzzy like you\\\\'ve really achieved something?

Please.

People who pvp, pvp like it's an addiction. They just insta quit, requeue, and proceed to steamroll the next pack of pvp newbs.

Commendations aren't a big deal but the game feature locked behind it is. But I'll get enough eventually for the mentor roulette - just a few dozen short at this point. Since I pvp so much and don't have time for pve. I took a long break from the game, and pretty much just leveled with quests so I never built up a store of commendations. I thought it would be okay to ask during the ready phase of the fl match.

I figured I could get to where I want to go by politely asking. What's the harm right? Apparently even daring to ask means you're "entitled" and should instantly be judged in a negative light somehow.

Lol. Some people just need to chill out.

This game ain't that difficult to play and it doesn't take much skill to be "good." People play to have a good time. Be friendly. And if I could, I'd give commendations out to every single person I play with every single time. In fact, if I could I'd stand on the etherite in limsa and just rain it on passerby cuz I think everyone should get some love just for supporting this game.

You know, I bet this smug attitude some pvpers (and some gamers in general) have as if being good at PVP in an mmo actually means something, as if it somehow makes them special, as if the game even has a high skillcap (as opposed to just a high demand for time), I bet this is what drives so many people away from pvp in the first place. At least it isn't as bad as League of Legends. At least not yet anyways.

And you know what? Wasn't frontlines supposed to be the "casual" pvp area? The place where newbies can get their feet wet in pvp? Wasn't that why morale is turned off, there are no team composition requirements, and its a 3-way instead of a balanced 2 faction fight?

So relax.

So people chased down kills instead of capping or defending a node. So they couldn't take the time to maneuver out of a sandwich. Or they randomly roam by their lonesome and get killed.

So what? It's all good.

Why?

Because those unskilled players is what this game mode was MADE for.

"Earn" a commendation... that's ridiculous. There's no way to decide objectively who should get the commendation out of the 7 in your party. So I just randomly pick most of the time or whoever is still there or the healer cuz they're rare and it's my way of patting them on the back.

And yes, again, if someone asked I'd just give the commendation to him or her. Even if he or she wasn't the "best." Cuz who cares about being the "best" or being "good"? It's an effin game. It should be about fun. Fun for me. Fun for you. Fun for everyone. That's why I want to be a mentor and help the newbs through some content. Cuz that's what this game, and all games imo, is about. Fun exploring, experiencing, sharing and learning new stuff - not rating/judging/measuring yourself or having others rate or measure or judge you. There's already too much of that un-fun stuff going on in life.

So when I ask for a commendation. It's just a request bro. You can do it if you're a chill dude, or not if you're being a hardass for no reason. If you do, I'll gladly return the favor. If not, I don't mind handing it to the guy or gal who chased that AST half way across seal rock to his or her death. Cuz in my mind, it don't make a difference who gets a stupid commendation. It doesn't upset any reward system. It doesn't break anything in the game. So if someone, could be someone's brother or sister, someone's young niece or nephew, or anyone no matter what their age, sex, creed, or SKILL LEVEL, asks for a commendation so he or she can get mentor roulette or that fat chocobo? Here ya go honey. I'd be happy to help you get 1 step closer to that cute fat bird.

No need to "earn" sh at or demonstrate skilled play.

"Earn" a commendation...pfffft... What childish, egotistical, vain, self-absorbed nonsense. How narrow-minded you must be to ask a person, whom you've never met in real life, whom you don't even know, to "earn" a stupid commendation by performing tasks up to your standards.

I wonder those who are so stingy with their commendations, would they ask "what did you do to earn the commendation you're asking for?" if they could see the person who is asking it. The real person. Could be an elderly grandma for all you know. Could be anybody. That's the point. Could be anyone from any background and that person could play at a number of different skill levels. That person could be impaired. Did you ever stop to think about that? Could be colorblind - that's why there's a colorblind mode option. Could be missing an index finger. Kinda hard hitting those L/R shoulder buttons or left clicking with only a middle finger. Might slow ya down a bit. Could be any number of reasons why this person doesn't measure up to your standards of skilled play.

Take a bigger view. If this game was designed so that only the skilled and disciplined would be rewarded then I doubt it would have very many players. And with that in mind, with the thought that the reality of the game is that you will play with unskilled players, that they have as much a right as you to have fun in this game, chill the heck out. FFXIV is not a strict meritocracy. It was never intended to be one.

Anyway. This will be the last time I bring something like this up, cuz I feel too much negativity just cropping up for no reason. Entitlement... heh... hilarious...

If there's already a GC for those who are impaired, colorblind, missing fingers, or just mentally slow, I'd like to join... I'd rather play with some people with real perspective and who know what real challenges are... and it ain't getting a dozen kills in seal rock, or ex primals or raid... lord almighty...

hardcore pvper here, after looking at your match performance it is pretty clear you are pretty new to pvp, the reasons are arnt getting comms are as follows

1: your stats are very poor when compared to what people of the same job can achieve
2: as said before, commendations are not nearly as important as getting back in the queue, that is a side effect of how the queues are for FL
3: asking/beggin for commendations always carries a very common chance of people NOT commending you, simply because you asked (plus it draws attention to your match performance)

in short, practise warrior more, play more FL matches, be polite, dont ask for commendations

I never commend people who ask for a commendation.

You gotta impress me if you want one from me.

Also you called this thread 'Jerks in PVP' , that sounds like something a jerk would do.

Hi, best way to farm commendations is not to do PvP....

Here are a few ways to get a lot of commendations;

1- The most important one... DO NOT make a "Give me commend plx" macro. I would never give commend to someone asking it, I'm sure many are like me in that sense.
2- Farm them in guildhest, especially the first two ones. You just need to hold a bit of aggro and it's done... For the first one, go PLD, flash spam, for the second one, go kamikaze-burn it. It's confirmed to be around 10 commendations per hour, minimum. around 30 if lucky...
3- Go super start aggro stealer tank to Castrum Meridianum, take all mobs and make the other tank feel useless (Even if it's doing more damage than you, probably). Then enjoy commends.
4- Try to become the hero of the battle. Reserve your holmgang, HG or LD for the worst moment, wait for healers to die, for DPS to die, when the boss is 1% you use one of these and, hey, you get all commends even if you were useless during the other 99% of the battle.

5- Extra tip; Making a "Hello everyone!" and "Goodbye thanks!" MACRO buffs your chances to get a commend by 50%... It's sad, but, it's like that. Being quiet won't give you one, but directly asking for one neither, so, the indirect way to ask for a commendation is to use a hello-goodbye macro. Try to not make obvious it's a macro (Adding a moogle or so), because some people who sense it won't give you commend neither.

Don't ask for comms. Be good and you'll get it. When I'm in there I like to shot call and I get comms pretty regularly.

You have to do something to stand out if you want comms.

People get upset because this has been out for a long time and people still don't understand basics like not attacking a low node, not chasing, not going solo.

It's frustrating as all hell to lose because of stupidity. Especially when all they have to do is read their chat log.

xxczx/Dark Falz pretty much touched on everything that I would've said (shocker).

I believe you started out on Flames. We've had some matches together. To be honest, your performance didn't stand out to me from any of the other baby Flames. My commend priority tends to be a great healer-> great tanks (and those are few and far between on Aether Flames)-> DPS that has the best k/d ratio on the party.

You want an example of a good warrior? Jiraiya-Sama is a good warrior:

http://puu.sh/mUncG.png

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Originally Posted by xxczx

hardcore pvper here, after looking at your match performance it is pretty clear you are pretty new to pvp, the reasons are arnt getting comms are as follows

1: your stats are very poor when compared to what people of the same job can achieve
2: as said before, commendations are not nearly as important as getting back in the queue, that is a side effect of how the queues are for FL
3: asking/beggin for commendations always carries a very common chance of people NOT commending you, simply because you asked (plus it draws attention to your match performance)

in short, practise warrior more, play more FL matches, be polite, dont ask for commendations

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1. True probably. Wish I could wear my full set of pvp gear. But it takes a week of 3 to 5 hours a day to even get to even get lvl 25.

Damage will probably improve once I hit higher 40s and can wear pvp gear with crit/determination. Capping nodes who cares? By the time I run to one there's already someone else there. I don't fight to cap to improve my stats. But yeah, took me a while to learn to pre-buff before going in so I dish out the burst. That's the major difference between pvp and pve. And frankly,if I wanted to get more kills/damage I could by kill stealing with fell cleave. That is, I would just fell cleave enemies wounded by my teammates to nab the kill - but kinda a waste cuz in those instances the enemy is gonna die regardless. I use thrill of war to "heal" my party and save limit break for cometeors or the large burst that happens at the outset of an engagement. So I think I'm okay overall.

2. Yeah I get it. Need to get on that queue train.

PvP gear is only for minmaxing which you sure as hell don't need to output good dmg as WAR

I never give commendations to people who beg for them. Maybe you should stop asking for them verbally, and try showing people you deserve them.

The real joke here is here no one cares about commendations in pvp cause getting out and re queue to get on the q train is much more important lol. Also Ive gotten to rank 49 in another gc in less than 3weeks + like Dark said pvp gear wont make ur current dmg that much higher

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Originally Posted by P4X0R10N

How exactly is it unfair? And by what logical, rational process do you come to the decision of who to give it to? Think fast cuz you got about 1.5 secs before the whole team disbanded!

Cmon bro. Be serious. Commendations is not a well designed system for rewarding and encouraging good play.

You don't know what you're even saying...

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it is unfair because everyone (or at least i think everyone) want tthe stuff from the achievments. if one person asks - and then get the commendations - the other people will get nothing. so for me the person who asks is egoistic and don't care for the other people.

i don't have 1.5 seconds to decide who will get my comendation. i have the whole duty time to decide. if they leave before i can click their names that's not my problem.

if there is a person who leads the team, telling where to position and what to attack, when to draw back, this is the person who gets my commendation. if there is no one leading the party.... i only play white mage, so i usually give the commendation to the other healer because healer-ethics xD. if there is no other healer or the other healer was too bad i give it to a person who was helping me when i was under attack (but most of the time this is just the other healer. btw i think this is one of the main-jobs of a tank in pvp). people who ran too far away from my healrange will not get commendations, also no cloudd striiife or people with other stupid and uncreative names will ever get a commendation from me... if someone was making a good joke / entertaining me in the chat he will probably get one... just some of my criteria for giving commendations.

long story short: i just giva a commendation to a person who was helping ME - not to the best player of the whole team.

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Originally Posted by TiaHariberux3

The real joke here is here no one cares about commendations in pvp cause getting out and re queue to get on the q train is much more important lol. Also Ive gotten to rank 49 in another gc in less than 3weeks + like Dark said pvp gear wont make ur current dmg that much higher

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That's what I said. People don't seem to get it. NO ONE cares about commendations in pvp. You know what? I'll just follow the crowd and do that from now on. Circle, then X for insta leave after every match.

Yeah but crit really helps to secure those kills...

I always commend whoever healed in pvp even if they did fairly poorly, I dont care how well everyone else did. Giving commends to healers will hopefully make them que more. The only exception is if they were jerks. I understand some jerky-ness, but it got to be that even if we're ahead people still complain and argue. I just started to ignore it. Haven't pvp'd in a while though the ques got too long, excited about next patch. (also idk if im the minority here but I never commend people who ask)

Funny how the title of this thread was "Jerks in PvP" yet turned into a thinly veiled "People don't give me commendations when I ask for them" thread.

As others have stated OP, the most cringe-inducing thing you can do is ask for commendations. I never, ever, EVER give commendations to those who ask for them. Whenever I see a request for them I immediately wince in real life and don't think twice about not commending them.

Honestly, I tend to commend healers the most simply because they get the least from PvP and tend to suffer the heaviest burden.
There are no achievements for healers, and they have to babysit 7 other children who constantly bitch and moan about "muh lack of healz" and other garbage like that.

Focus more on the PvP itself, not just commendations from it.