New Tomestone weapon vs Anima weapon

Hello guys I'm making this thread to start a debate about a question that came to my head since the recent Live letter.

So we all know that the next stage will be on 3.25 right? On the live letter we found out that more or less the this sub patch will come on the next 3 weeks after the launch of 3.2.

The biggest question here, its really gonna be worth to spend the new tomestones for it's weapon if the next stage of the anima is released on the next week or rather on the same week you finished grinding all the tomestones needed?

I'm sure we all know, that the tomestone weapon will take us for sure 3 weeks and on mi opnion, I'm not gonna like to spend on a weapon im going to throw almost inmediatly. I would prefer to spend the tomestones on the possible chest and trousers I'm gonna be able to get on that time.

I know that posible lot of people may not agreed with me, specialy the hardocore players, since them are possibly are going to reach to the last room of Alexander Midas and obtain the tome that will let them upgrade that weapon.

But lets be honest, I really dont think that most people will be playing Midas savage, possible some people wont be as fast as orthers to clear the final floor and by that time the next stage of the anima will be abailable.

Well thats my opinion, I really prefer to start with my gear than my weapon and wait for the next stage of the anima to be released, that of course it will be much more easier than the last one.

So whats your opinion guys?

Yeah hopefully SE does a good job of balancing the tome weapon, the sephirot weapon, the raid weapon and the relic. Hopefully they won't make the easiest weapon to get also the strongest weapon. Effectively making the other weapons pointless to get, but we will see i guess.

I'm just gonna wait for the next Anima step.
I could be updating my gear, why wait for the weapon?

I'm guessing that its going to be something like this:

Sephirot EX weapon
Lore base/Crafted
Upgraded Lore/Anima +1
Midas

One thing to consider is that we do not know how long it will take to finish the next stage of the Anima weapon quest. If it takes on average a month to complete sanely and you are actively raiding, buying your Lore weapon might make clearing Midas Savage faster and easier depending on when the upgrade token is rewarded.

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Originally Posted by AskaRay

I'm just gonna wait for the next Anima step.
I could be updating my gear, why wait for the weapon?

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Upgrading weapons tends to grant the most bang per buck. 2 WD, 8 Main stat and 10 Vit tends to be better than 8 Main stat and 10 Vit.

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Originally Posted by Whocareswhatmynameis

Yeah hopefully SE does a good job of balancing the tome weapon, the sephirot weapon, the raid weapon and the relic. Hopefully they won't make the easiest weapon to get also the strongest weapon. Effectively making the other weapons pointless to get, but we will see i guess.

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Didn't the first part of this live letter (the one from a couple weeks ago), imply that the raid weapon would be the best one, as they plan on it being the hardest to obtain?

In the very least, he explicitly explained that because Gordian Savage was so hard, other means of obtaining same iLevel weapons had to also be very difficult, and that they didn't want Relic to be so difficult to obtain again.

Therefore, either Midas will be massively easier so other similar iLevels items can be easier to obtain than 3.1 options, or raid weapons are better so they can justify the lower iLevel weapons being easier to obtain.

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

Upgrading weapons tends to grant the most bang per buck. 2 WD, 8 Main stat and 10 Vit tends to be better than 8 Main stat and 10 Vit.

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True, but I don't like wasting tomestones on weapons too early.
Besides since I currently don't raid my Anima will be enough till I fully upgrade it during the patch.

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

I'm guessing that its going to be something like this:

Sephirot EX weapon
Lore base/Crafted
Upgraded Lore/Anima +1
Midas

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Did you mean there is going to be a crafted weapon too? I didn't really did too deep into the live letter so I don't know. I did hear about all the new crafted battle gear(that looks like dyed high allagan gear?).

If so, have they ever made a crafted weapon that stands up to any of the other options? In past patches, crafted weapons have been only slightly better than maybe the dungeon tome weapons. For instance the Wootz weapons and such.

Side note, I like you called the relic upgrade the "+1". I really miss back at 2.0 launch how the first upgrade made it a "+1". That's a throwback to the other FF games of course. I'm sad they got away from that naming convention. It would be cool if they made +1 back in the game somehow, like maybe for a stage above HQ in crafting or something.

I'm going to at least work towards the new tomestone weapon, since I'll likely be getting it at the same time the new step comes out I'll then be able to compare both the stats of the weapons as well as what the Anima step will actually entail (considering we don't know that either yet).

SE pretty much admitted they plan to nerf the hell out of Alexander Gordias Savage with the upcoming patch, due to overtight tuning causing it to be completely off the radar for way more players than they anticipated. If it becomes easy enough, there might wind up being more people in Midas than you may think.

Depends i guess on a variety of things and what the stats are on the weapon, as a dps if it has a better main stat and some better secondary stats for sure i will be saving up for it.
Dps, Weapon>Gear, usually the order
Currently Savage weapon or yet eso even i prefer over Relic.
I honestly do not know why so much different weapons gets introduced, it is not at all needed so much variety.

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

SE pretty much admitted they plan to nerf the hell out of Alexander Gordias Savage with the upcoming patch, due to overtight tuning causing it to be completely off the radar for way more players than they anticipated. If it becomes easy enough, there might wind up being more people in Midas than you may think.

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I dont think most people will clear Midas Savage on less than 3 weeks.

I think it would depend on the class and what secondaries you're into.

As a SCH, the Anima weapon is going to trump pretty much everything else they throw at me, because of the crit. Since it's going to reliably be a good weapon every patch and it will always have crit on it, I'll just ignore the other stuff. I know that's not world-first progression quality, but it's by and far the most playtime efficient and that's what I need to prioritize.

Watch the new tome weapon require a drop from A6S, like back in SCoB and FCoB, and 1300 Lore.


Popcorn is ready for the non-raiders flooding the forums with complaint threads

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Originally Posted by Maero

Dps, Weapon>Gear, usually the order

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Always the order. At 210, the weapon equates to just over 1/3rd of your damage capabilities. For example, my Summoner has 3445 INT once all stats are weighted, and the weapon equals 1358 of that. Therefore, 39% of my damage output is based off the weapon, and 61% is based off the rest of my gear.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

Watch the new tome weapon require a drop from A6S, like back in SCoB and FCoB, and 1300 Lore.


Popcorn is ready for the non-raiders flooding the forums with complaint threads

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uhm u could get the weapon but u couldnt upgrade it until u got the A6 drop....

i wonder if the new trial weapon will be 220 or 215? Oo , the tomes for sure 220 upgradeable to 230

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

the tomes for sure 220 upgradeable to 230

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Is this confirmed somewhere?

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

uhm u could get the weapon but u couldnt upgrade it until u got the A6 drop....

i wonder if the new trial weapon will be 220 or 215? Oo , the tomes for sure 220 upgradeable to 230

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Huh?

SCob abd FCoB tome weapons required a drop from t7/t11 to just get the weapon, on top of the tomes needed. To upgrade, you needed a drop from t8/t12.
I'm expecting this new one to be similar; need the drop from A6S to get the weapon, drop from a7s to upgrade, and the a8s weapon will be 5ilv higher than the upgraded tome weapon.

Also, expecting the ilv to be like this:
Primal - 215
Tome - 220
Upgraded Primal - 220
Upgraded tome - 230
Midas - 235

Also, gordias could get upgraded to 215 in 3.2,just like allagan got upgraded from 90 to 95

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Originally Posted by PArcher

Huh?

SCob abd FCoB tome weapons required a drop from t7/t11 to just get the weapon, on top of the tomes needed. To upgrade, you needed a drop from t8/t12.
I'm expecting this new one to be similar; need the drop from A6S to get the weapon, drop from a7s to upgrade, and the a8s weapon will be 5ilv higher than the upgraded tome weapon.

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Perhaps the weapons will require a drop from A7N, and the upgrade will be from A7S or so

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Originally Posted by PArcher

Huh?

SCob abd FCoB tome weapons required a drop from t7/t11 to just get the weapon, on top of the tomes needed. To upgrade, you needed a drop from t8/t12.

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uhmm....thats true my bad ^^;

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

Is this confirmed somewhere?

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nope just speculations :)

The new tomestone weapon is probably going to require a drop from Alexander savage like in 2.2 and 2.4. My reasoning here is that they're adding Sephirot, who will be dropping *at least* 210, but probably 215, and adding a tomestone weapon with no raid requirement would put a 3 week lifespan on that content.

e: Whoops looks like someone took the words out of my mouth a couple posts up.

If the question is if they will be better than current anima weapons, yes. The il play will almost assuredly be il220-30 (depending on midas nm levels) with fiend weapons being 225-235. I guess if that's reasonable grounds to save working on your relic till 3.25, go for it? They're still going to be useful the sooner you have them.

if they wanted to avoid item levels spiraling out of control and also considering all the things being released at the same time


I would assume something along the lines of
midas normal being 210 and dropping illuminati items as a sort of "get raiders up to speed"
the new expert dungeons will likely be 200 or less. Keeping in mind the last expert dungeons were released when you could just freefarm 190 gear in gordian and still only had 185 gear in them
sephirot could be 215 or even a non-weapon drop like rings. Not every trial fight is weapon drops
Then the actual raid and limited income could be 220 upgraded to 225 with just the midas weapons alone being 230 while anima is 225 because apparently raiders need to have "the best" even though this isn't really the kind of game that necessarily makes sense in

The only things that seem like a real wrench in the works to me is that the anima weapon grind is so tediously horribly long and they said it won't be made any easier and the way some 205 weapons were actually numerically stronger than the 210 anima counterparts.
Seeing people with anima weapons is still a rarity and if a source is being released that has "easier than previous content" as a sort of tag line with better weapons and no info about where anima is going. It almost seems like it will be a de-motivator along with the "We don't want anima to be as good as raid drops"

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Originally Posted by jssanderson747

If the question is if they will be better than current anima weapons, yes. The il play will almost assuredly be il220-30 (depending on midas nm levels) with fiend weapons being 225-235. I guess if that's reasonable grounds to save working on your relic till 3.25, go for it? They're still going to be useful the sooner you have them.

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even if you have your tomestone weapon like for a week only? or worse, if SE said 3 weeks for 3.25 and you need 990 lore tomesstones, then the anima will be abailable at the same time you will have enought to buy the tomestone weapon lol

Given that, you do think that the tomestone weapon is still worthy?

Ok so for a couple things, one, normally it's usually 4-5 weeks before the .5 patch comes out. So that's 1800-2250 Lore earned before the next step of Anima. On top of that, this thread is going under the assumption that there will not be some sort of time gate implemented in the next step on Anima to draw it out further. Say it works on an alexandrite equivalent it could take about another month past that.

Then again, I'm willing to put money down that the Lore weapon will demand a drop from A6S before it can be bought like every other weekly tomb weapon post BCoB till Heavensward. Which in that case if you're not a progressional raider you don't really have much you can do with those tombs anyway.

What I am going to do is get the gear and either wait until 3.2 or wait until I get a drop from A6S( if even possible within a reasonable amount of time).

Otherwise there is no point in buying a tomb weapon only for it to be outclassed in a few weeks.

I'll got straight for my Anima weapon. I'm not part of a Static or Raid active LS therefore I can keep rocking it.
Probably going to get my other 2 classes a new Tome weapon depending on how much I like the new gear look since Glamour is the true endgame ;)

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Originally Posted by HorseBoots

Ok so for a couple things, one, normally it's usually 4-5 weeks before the .5 patch comes out. So that's 1800-2250 Lore earned before the next step of Anima. On top of that, this thread is going under the assumption that there will not be some sort of time gate implemented in the next step on Anima to draw it out further. Say it works on an alexandrite equivalent it could take about another month past that.

Then again, I'm willing to put money down that the Lore weapon will demand a drop from A6S before it can be bought like every other weekly tomb weapon post BCoB till Heavensward. Which in that case if you're not a progressional raider you don't really have much you can do with those tombs anyway.

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I check the live letter again, seems you are right. That changes everything apperantly or not. It seems I only saw only those 3 weeks.

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

Perhaps the weapons will require a drop from A7N, and the upgrade will be from A7S or so

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If a weapon drops from Normal, it will be 210, and non-upgradable (I do doubt it since there was no weapon in Gordias Normal). I can't see Midas Normal gear being any higher than that (if it is, 215. But I really doubt it). It would then be used to get people up to speed with those who cleared A4S, and allowing better farms at the new Primal weapon (which will be the gateway weapon for most people for Midas Savage...assuming there is one anyway, but a Mirror of the Whorl 5ilv upgrade piece that drops extremely rarely will be around to give the determined a chance to get a tome-equivalent weapon before clearing A6S)

Tome weapons are used to get people from early raid floors to the later ones; you need the previous top-tier weapon to do the first one or two, then the Tome and its upgrade for the later two.

But, they did say Midas will be the top, so it will be at least 5ilv higher than the upgraded Tome weapon.

As for the Anima, I doubt it will catch up to Midas until probably 3.35 or so; my guess is the first upgrade (3.25) to it will bring it to 220 or 225.

the changes to materia coming its obvious they are gettin ready for next step of anima.. most likely gonna be more or less fusing materia to some kind of scroll again XD