Astro underwhelming in endgame?

When i started savage I started as an astro. I found myself struggling to solo heal. How are other astros doing in savage progression? PS: I cleared A1S as a whm and am on A2s now and had no problem solo healing. Hell, I may even need to work on my skills as an astro maybe its not the class maybe it's me xD But it feels underwhelming. The shields/regens are less potent. they dont have very good aoe heals. The mp management is kinda meh. Their dps is meh. What are your thoughts on astros in savage? How are the fellow astros doing in savage? Should i give astro another shot now that im more savage experienced?

What's stopping you from trying and exploring the job for savage?

I could give you a 10.000 word essay on how I am clearing all savage floors as astrologian in the main healer seat, but that wouldn't answer your question in general as it is already known that all floors are being cleared by astrologian or even solo healed by astrologian

I tried when i first entered i found it slightly difficult to handle the solo healing but that may have also been due to the fact i was new i found handling the aoe burst harder. So you've cleared A4s as a main heals with a scholar then? They deff have the potential but as a new healer in savage i simply found it more difficult and was curious how other astros are doing in progression. I by no means meant to make you feel i was downing your class

I might give it a shot again later then. Just wish their aoe heals were better Was just curious how others think astros are doing in end game. Diurnal sect is nice nocturnal stance im still not a fan of but my co healers a sch so doesn't matter. I may just need to improve on the class because it requires more skill than whm.

Are there specific parts of the fight / examples you are having trouble with? We can probably help out better if we had more specific details. A1S is more or less tailored to AST thanks to Synastry. Just remember that while the Diurnal AST kit is similar to WHM, there are enough subtle differences in style that you can't just carbon copy the WHM playstyle to it.

Yeah i do know that synastry is absolutely amazing for double preys because you can top your tank off while hes getting cleaved while also healing your prey thus making that part of the fight pretty laughable as an astro. The gun repod was a pain just due to the fact the only aoe healing astros have is aspected helios and helios. Lightspeed is also pretty good for mp management + when needing to top people off with the backfire of lowered dps.

Underwhelming no (Nocturnal Sect aside, that is), but compared to the other healers it does require more work and a more intimate knowledge of the encounter from players. Their base heals cost less MP yet match the same potency as the other healers, A. Helios is weaker but also costs less MP, and their Regen despite costing more MP provides an upfront heal in addition to a HoT. Plus unlike both healers they can extend their HoT durations with CO. So it's not a matter of it being underwhelming, but that the Job has to be approached slightly differently.

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Originally Posted by AsuraFreya

I might give it a shot again later then. Just wish their aoe heals were better

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Well, pure potency there's not a lot of difference. The main thing would be 5y less potency on medica II, but you can just snipe stragglers/who did not get healed due to range with Aspected Benefic.

The being able to gear all 3 healers in one basic go might be one of the up and rising problems with people not getting use to the strength of the astrologian. Just healing as another job and having a fully geared out white mage then swap to another job and not having to invest the same time to gear up that job I find is a flaw in the design of the game. White mage is inherently easier because it is more straight forward and traditional then the astrologian and scholar which are not harder in specific just a bit more studying and learning to get it down over the straight forward approach of the white mage.

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Originally Posted by Lyrica_Ashtine

Well, pure potency there's not a lot of difference. The main thing would be 5y less potency on medica II, but you can just snipe stragglers/who did not get healed due to range with Aspected Benefic.

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Cure III is totally missing :/

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Originally Posted by Amaret

Cure III is totally missing :/

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How often is it really useful, though?

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Originally Posted by Lyrica_Ashtine

How often is it really useful, though?

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Quite often, actually. Out of the savage floors, only A2S doesn't require Cure III and that's because there's not much raid-wide AoE happening. The other three floors see quite a few uses out of Cure III, AS3 especially.

But Cure III doesn't make or break a healer in savage, really. If there's burst AoE healing required, AST does have lightspeed.

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Originally Posted by tjw

Quite often, actually. Out of the savage floors, only A2S doesn't require Cure III and that's because there's not much raid-wide AoE happening. The other three floors see quite a few uses out of Cure III, AS3 especially.

But Cure III doesn't make or break a healer in savage, really. If there's burst AoE healing required, AST does have lightspeed.

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Well, for one: Cure III uses are niche at best with current content. And secondly: Lightspeed hardly matters when you actually need "burst" healing of any kind. Aside from A3S 6 splashes, name an instance where Cure III would be more MP efficient as well as GCD efficient over Medica II/Aspected Helios and has to be used to prevent a death because they weren't healed up enough. Even with the 6 splashes, Cure III saves 1 GCD (and the mp involved in it) at most.

It's different playstyles, maybe. I find myself using Cure III after the jumps in AS1 rather than Medica II, which I use before emergency deployment because the timespan in between the two, to me, doesn't seem long enough for the Medica II dot to top people off. Cure III is also quite good for some double preys (i.e. two ranged, or a healer and melee, or melee and ranged on same oppresor etc) if you can get it coordinated with the group over VOIP; the other healer can then focus on just the tanks. GCD efficiency depends on the situation; if the Cure III actually tops off most people, then it's more efficient than Medica II/A. Helios by virtue of its cast time being lower.

I'm not arguing that Cure III is niche. It's definitely not as useful as Medica II, but it's definitely a lot more burst/emergency useful, especially in A4S when AoEs get clipped by the same people (e.g. two people accidentally pick up the same orb...). If we talk MP management, of course it's not as sustainable than Cure II, but I find certain scenarios benefit more from the quick burst from Cure III rather than the HoT from Medica II. It really just depends on the situation, and I find that Cure III sometimes supersedes Medica II in bursty/recovery situations.

I follow everyone who say that A1S is the AST raid... Hands down !
With all your tool kit you got 0 struggle for this one

And cure III is not really a niche skill...
I'm often disappointed to see the whm spamming medica on a fight where DPS are all pack...

On the other hand if a DPS do not pack and come near me on a fight where he should... I will let him die alone ! I do not have unlimited range

Cure 3 have a great range despite what many are saying
And it's really helpful in many situation
(Plus less enmity than medica 2 since it's a single strong heal and not a HoT)
But i admit that medica 2 got the best healing potency if you take the the whole HoT

I wish astros had more aoe healing than just a aspected helios and a helios.. when whmes have medica, medica 2, cure 3, assize.. and scholars have succor, a new burst aoe called indomitability and whispering dawn if they're using eos. All astros have for aoe healing really are those 2. which i guess is what turned me off when i entered a1s i found handling the aoe damage as an astro a bit mp draining and overwhelming with the lack of aoe healing

There is no need for more aoe healing skill...
Because it would copy assize or indom or cure 3... Which is useless for the AST...

Ast have already a lower mp cost which help a lot
And lightspeed for emergency burst with reduced cost

On A1S a simple aspected helios is enough to cover any aoe damage (aka gunnery pod)

The only heavy aoe is the double gunnery pod at the end of the first phase (use lightspeed and it's a piece of cake)
And each double landing...
Again on this on aspected helios must be up and use collective unconscious
Then just use celestial opposition and go dancing around XD

A1S is almost too easy as Ast

I always prefer AST for A1S over WHM because of balance pull, using CO+TD for more DPS and whatever else you can do to put points on the board as possible before the split. (Plus the folks who like to do 0-jump runs will try to use AST to pad their numbers). The 15y 'issue' abolished with raid coordination because there is absolutely no reason to really be out of range for gunnery. AB a strangler if-needed. Plus the toolkit practically trivializes the double prey healing mechanics. I'm not sure about the "more aoe healing" comment. No Assize means I wait to AH again until the second for double gunnery which the previous AH ticks should be getting towards running out. Focus on the tank whom is probably in DPS stance for cleave, until after the follow-up gunnery comes out. Not having Assize after the tank buster it just means waiting to heal the last gunnery and using GCD for Helios before the jump. That is about it in-terms of kit differences, hardly much.

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Originally Posted by Lyrica_Ashtine

Well, for one: Cure III uses are niche at best with current content. And secondly: Lightspeed hardly matters when you actually need "burst" healing of any kind. Aside from A3S 6 splashes, name an instance where Cure III would be more MP efficient as well as GCD efficient over Medica II/Aspected Helios and has to be used to prevent a death because they weren't healed up enough. Even with the 6 splashes, Cure III saves 1 GCD (and the mp involved in it) at most.

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Yep, A3S x6 Splashes is the only place where it's efficient over the other options. Well there are parts in Thordan too if we want to include full end-game where it's perfect for some mechanics. Accounting for today's gear level for that matter, Cure III is a bit overkill for most other things aside from those.

Cure III got a lot of use. PPl tend to under/over estimate this spell.
Blalbala, you need to adapt blablabla your mate, your Ivl, their Ilvl, your position, the damage of the incoming attack, your mp, their hp etc etc.
Cure III is fine but situational.

And if you face a lot of strong aoe with your AST like a3s*6.
Light speed/synastry is your friend

On the healing department AST is really good now.(Almost good enough to replace WHM, again ALMOST, don't get me wrong)
On the CARD department though...ugh.....
Buffs don't provide THAT significant help( you can easily live and beat stuff without them... so what's the point of them anyway) the card related skills( Shuffle, royal road, spread, draw) are kinda of messy and the cooldowns could be reduced to make AST more of a buffer (after all that's what they were supposed to be right?) ALSO the RNG is beyond disappointing.

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Originally Posted by Nekotee

A1S is almost too easy as Ast

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It's easy no matter which job/combination you pick
But I think AST will get a bit better for progression in next patch.
Let's check the top 10 teams clearing Midas and see if some Astro are in one of the compo

True, i agree.
Once you got the healing timing right... Anything is possible no matter which class you choose