four man dungeon

I would love to have some real hard four man dungeons currently four man dugeoun too easy. I suggest this to boost up the majority players skill level In their class. This can benefit players in the long run by mastering their class.

Also can we have some interactive dugeouns to spice stuff up I know you developers like rng so have a rng in the boss fights like a low chance a super boss will replace a old boss or a rare occurence a superboss will appear at the end of the dugeoun.

Another idea is to make dugeons more interactive and story driven by having the players interact in the dugeoun and different interactions means different boss or outcome to the dugeoun.

Or even in rare cases a boss will have a dark aura around them and their stats/health will become higher than a normal encounter almost like ffx.

This can also be rewarded with minions for rewards for beating these harder encounters or even gear with same ilv in the dugeoun but random stats into it like diadem gear

i'm for random dungeons (with daily altering layouts, 10 times as big as actual 24 man raids and with checkpoints and limitations of enterings per week) or multi hour dungeons/raids (with checkpoints) with multiple bosses (5-20).

All hail the epicness.

I think it would be fun for a change to have some hard four man content it would be easy to grab some of your four friends and get to do some hard content I think it would benefit down the road when we team up in 8 man content. Everyone get use to everybody.

Instead of speedrunning these easy dugeouns with no effort

Harder and shorter, PLEASE, so runs go faster if you're good.

Being a huge Persona 3 fan that I am, I second the idea of having an optional "random layout" dungeon. It's a brilliant use of resources imo, and challenges the player to actively think of new solutions.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Callback

Harder and shorter, PLEASE, so runs go faster if you're good.

---

But what if they maje it harder longer and rewarding. Something that can test your player skills. It would be easy enough getting three members to fo content. I think the dark glow and random rnclunters for rare loot could add a bit of a twist instead of boring four man conten we breeze through.

I mean domething to keep you on the edge of your seat and have thise oh snap everyone about to die moment s

But what if they made it harder longer and rewarding. Something that can test your player skills. It would be easy enough getting three members to do content. I think the dark glow and random encounters for rare loot could add a bit of a twist instead of boring four man content we can breeze through.

I mean something to keep you on the edge of your seat and have those oh snap and everyone about to die moments to keep you engage in the fight

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Torunya

Being a huge Persona 3 fan that I am, I second the idea of having an optional "random layout" dungeon. It's a brilliant use of resources imo, and challenges the player to actively think of new solutions.

---

You made a good point they can easily add an optional boss into these dugeouns that you don't have to beat to clear the dugeouns. This can have players who is looking for a challenge go another route in the dugeoun that could have alot harder byt more rewarding bosses.

I think you guys bring up a good point here, I definitely feel that the current dungeons are way too easy. They are more or less all speed runs.
But then again, lets just say SE develops this dungeons which are longer (making it feel more crunchy/raidy/engaging) with "harder" bosses.
What would the incentive be?
As in, what would be the reward for players to want to this longer, harder dungeons, rather than the boring, but short dungeons?
Dont say minions, or mounts, because those only work for a short while until everyone has the rewards and the dungeon just dies.
Also keep in mind that this probably wont be included in DF because of its length/difficulty

Give actual equipment to the "harder" dungeons or give personal treasure chests to them. So every "casual" player which can't get his gear from the "extra long/hard/challenging" duties can gather tomestones, perhaps rais the limit a bit. set a daily lockout to the "challenging" duties to balance the sure drops with player progression and fuck up the whiners. If the "challenging" content would give the actual tomestone ilvl on tomestone release and the upgraded ilvl on catchup patch there would always be a reason to get in. Put tokens in the chests and let the tokens be traded for the next level of tokens so the duty will last until the trade rate will be to high but that can be adjustet by lowering the lower trade ratings.

The 4 man dungeons have become a bit too easy, and even if it is hard it's only an issue in terms of iLV. Once people get to the ilv to burn through it that's when it's just a zombie run.

Doing something like an option to make it "harder" in different ways would be fun. A NPC at the beginning, you click on it and accept the quest. In return the dungeon may stay the same map lay out wise but mobs get a boost. A grab-bag of bosses that are random, and instead of so many trash mobs a bigger tougher one instead.

The dungeon changes, but just slightly. Say Tam Tara, fills up with a mist that gives a soft poison..now the healer has to watch and actually cure. Or like someone said a dark aura in Sohm Al where the first boss you have to kill those bees. Problem is making this content rewarding enough and at the same time make the normal ways rewarding too.

Then again, could just apply this to new dungeons. I love the vault for instance, that to me was perfect. The others are good too but they leave space to where you can ignore mechanics and still do it. If they do something to help enforce the mechanics for bosses and make some environmental hazards that could weaken or boost the bosses / players..would make these more like adventures.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Leozhontai

Or even in rare cases a boss will have a dark aura around them and their stats/health will become higher than a normal encounter almost like ffx.

---

Something like that would be fun. Take some mobs from previous dungeons and boost their stats to where you can't ignore things. Maybe keep the final boss the same but the others..like going into a dungeon, going to first boss and he could either be a powerful version or the void may open up, consume the boss and you get a dark aura of a previous one. For the older dungeons it would get old, lol but imagine doing a level 60 dungeon and while getting to a boss you hear "sickness must be purged!" ..everyone dies!

Insert a hardcore ilvl sync by min ilvl+10/20 and it won't get just a zombie speed run