All abilities should be like Arrow Helix

Targeting in this game is a nightmare, don't deny it. But the good thing about Arrow Helix is that it is an AoE which doesn't require you to target anything. All abilities and spells in this game should take note of this example.

Just position yourself where you want to be and use your attack.

It would alleviate a lot of stress. No?

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Originally Posted by ellohwell

Targeting in this game is a nightmare, don't deny it. But the good thing about Arrow Helix is that it is an AoE which doesn't require you to target anything. All abilities and spells in this game should take note of this example.

Just position yourself where you want to be and use your attack.

It would alleviate a lot of stress. No?

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No. In fact this is a very bad idea.

What if you want to fight only one thing and there are a mass of enemies around it? This can be the death of all things good and right in the world.

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Originally Posted by Alerith

No. In fact this is a very bad idea.

What if you want to fight only one thing and there are a mass of enemies around it? This can be the death of all things good and right in the world.

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I'd imagine that some attacks would have a very thin AoE.

No!

However an option / ability to stack multiple "Casts" for mages in mind would be cool i guess.

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Originally Posted by ellohwell

Targeting in this game is a nightmare, don't deny it. But the good thing about Arrow Helix is that it is an AoE which doesn't require you to target anything. All abilities and spells in this game should take note of this example.

Just position yourself where you want to be and use your attack.

It would alleviate a lot of stress. No?

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i agree the targeting in this game is very frustrating but this would be solved by having a target system like other mmos not named FF14. How they managed to screw up the simplest of things is anyones guess. I expect and hope the current system is being trashed and burned for 2.0.

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Originally Posted by aeropride

i agree the targeting in this game is very frustrating but this would be solved by having a target system like other mmos not named FF14. How they managed to screw up the simplest of things is anyones guess. I expect and hope the current system is being trashed and burned for 2.0.

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I'm pretty sure one of the only things in this game that will be in 2.0 is the fighting system. Actually I think Yoshida said he is very happy with the battle system. The UI is going to be completely different though, so that may tie in with the targeting system.

i don't know all this bitching with targeting sistem. With F12, target filtering, /battletarget and new placeholders how people still have problems to target things

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Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi

i don't know all this bitching with targeting sistem. With F12, target filtering, /battletarget and new placeholders how people still have problems to target things

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Especially with this fun little gadget called a mouse... I just click things... BAM! they're targetted.

This would be a bad idea. This kind of targetting would work in a hack 'n' slash game but not an mmo where we regularly have to focus on a particular target...not to mention how picky character and enemy placements can be (although this is being worked on).

The biggest problem with targetting is that when cycling through targets it goes from left to right or right to left rather than nearest to furthest target. Because of this a lot of the time you will target something several miles away instead of what you want to actually target. (This is what needs to be fixed with the targetting issues, not adding a new targetting system every few patches x.x)

However, you can get around this issue via macros and the new keyboard config options. Personally (as a PGL) I have numpad 5 set to target nearest enemy (rest of numpad I have for movement, walking, autorun etc) and this works fine for me mostly. I imagine if I were a mage I'd still be annoyed with how tabbing through targets works though.

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Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi

i don't know all this bitching with targeting sistem. With F12, target filtering, /battletarget and new placeholders how people still have problems to target things

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You think people tries that new targetting filter? hell no, they need something to bitch about!

Targeting can be troublesome, but it's essential in a game like this. I think the most meaningful modification they could make is your initial target after having no target selected, be the target infront of you. Also, easier switching between All/Enemy targeting would be nice.

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Originally Posted by Answa

Especially with this fun little gadget called a mouse... I just click things... BAM! they're targetted.

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Funny, then, that when the Buffalo was literally the only thing visible on my screen, I still couldn't click-target him. "BAM!" indeed. . .

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

Funny, then, that when the Buffalo was literally the only thing visible on my screen, I still couldn't click-target him. "BAM!" indeed. . .

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That damn NM hax on so many levels, targeting is the least of our concerns. 1k AoE damage with knockback regular attacks? Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu-

Some of us are controller only, and others are even keyboard only. i was lightning in xi, and i expect xiv will be taht way soon enough.

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Originally Posted by nasomi

Targeting can be troublesome, but it's essential in a game like this. I think the most meaningful modification they could make is your initial target after having no target selected, be the target infront of you. Also, easier switching between All/Enemy targeting would be nice.

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That is exactly how it is at the moment. I do it all the time. I hit enter and the closest target in front of me is selected (I'm actually lying, I hit 0 on my num pad, but you catch my drift).

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Funny, then, that when the Buffalo was literally the only thing visible on my screen, I still couldn't click-target him. "BAM!" indeed. . .

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Personal AoEs are often not ideal. One of the main advantages spellcasters and archers have is that they don't have to stand next to something to use their attacks, and that would remove that advantage for all AoE abilities.

Fair warning, this post contains an idea that is in use in World of Warcraft.

In WoW most area attacks just give you a big old circle where you can click the ground and then the spell casts right there. You see visually exactly where things will be when you cast the spell, and can try and include or exclude whatever targets you wish. I think that's pretty much the ideal targeting system, and along with actually telling us when we're in range for attacks are about the two biggest things I want playing a ranged class/job.

Another game series that uses targeting circles, but isn't an MMO, is "Tales of." If you cast an area spell and don't move, it casts on the current target, and you can use the directional buttons to select that target. If you instead move the stick, you get the big targeting circle you can try to get more targets in. Using the analog stick for this seems like a viable solution for controller players to me.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino

Personal AoEs are often not ideal. One of the main advantages spellcasters and archers have is that they don't have to stand next to something to use their attacks, and that would remove that advantage for all AoE abilities.

Fair warning, this post contains an idea that is in use in World of Warcraft.

In WoW most area attacks just give you a big old circle where you can click the ground and then the spell casts right there. You see visually exactly where things will be when you cast the spell, and can try and include or exclude whatever targets you wish. I think that's pretty much the ideal targeting system, and along with actually telling us when we're in range for attacks are about the two biggest things I want playing a ranged class/job.

Another game series that uses targeting circles, but isn't an MMO, is "Tales of." If you cast an area spell and don't move, it casts on the current target, and you can use the directional buttons to select that target. If you instead move the stick, you get the big targeting circle you can try to get more targets in. Using the analog stick for this seems like a viable solution for controller players to me.

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Didn't SE use something like this in Crystal Chronicles? Depending on the level of spell you were casting, the targeting circle got bigger until the -ja tier affected the whole screen?

aside from all the other reasons why this is a bad idea, not only is arrow helix AoE, it is donut aoe, like iron tempest, meaning that if you are positioned wrong, you WILL miss. In addition, most mobs now are spaced closely enough that hitting or even linking can happen easily; and if you are soloing anything at equal level or slightly higher, you. will. die. This is why we have ws that are single target/linear aoe. so that we don't fight more things that we can handle.

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Originally Posted by Vanguard319

aside from all the other reasons why this is a bad idea, not only is arrow helix AoE, it is donut aoe, like iron tempest, meaning that if you are positioned wrong, you WILL miss. In addition, most mobs now are spaced closely enough that hitting or even linking can happen easily; and if you are soloing anything at equal level or slightly higher, you. will. die. This is why we have ws that are single target/linear aoe. so that we don't fight more things that we can handle.

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It's not about the specific shape of Arrow Helix that I was talking about. I was talking about it's convenience with respect to targeting, considering the fact that you don't actually have to target anything in order to use it.

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Originally Posted by ellohwell

It's not about the specific shape of Arrow Helix that I was talking about. I was talking about it's convenience with respect to targeting, considering the fact that you don't actually have to target anything in order to use it.

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Should probably have said Aura Pulse instead, then.

Awww yeah I love when I lose all that TP when a monster dies and my marauder uses Storms path, I love not needing a target to waste my TP!

We just need ground-targetable AoE. Ifrit does it (sort of) with those splats of lava. We should be able to target an area instead of everything being centered on a monster or player.

Ahhh this sounds like a bad idea.
One thing I'd like is an adjustment to the speed of running backwards or to the side while targeting something. I'm practising my doomspike, but with everything moving around it's like trying to snipe without a scope. At least with arrow helix you have the ability to hit things in range, same with mages, but man oh man. Sometimes lining up these effers while they can stand inside each other is a nightmare and you move slowly to spin yourself around.

Particularly when the targets are larger than you are and you can't tell, from how they're behaving, which mob is your target and where the one between you is. I'm almost 50 LNC and I'm embarrassed by this tbh. D:

Doomspike should just be conal AoE in front of you. Would still amount to the same thing but with 1% of the stress.

Come on guys, really? bearforce stops posting and a level 1 crp called lol lol, poster name ellohwell starts posting and nobody realizes anything? come on guys, quit feeding the trolls.

I'm not bearforce!

And yeah, granted this idea is a little extreme. But it would be nice if there were more weaponskills that weren't such a headache as 99% of the current ones, and spells too.

It is a fine art positioning Arrow Helix to hit the mobs you want, but at least you don't have to "fiddle around" with targetting all day just to get to the mob you want. More skills like this would be a welcome addition if you are in a tight spot and need to get something off quickly.

wow.. some ppl can really complain, after they give us this nifty targeting system, i have not run into problems in targeting anything :|

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Originally Posted by Junpei

Come on guys, really? bearforce stops posting and a level 1 crp called lol lol, poster name ellohwell starts posting and nobody realizes anything? come on guys, quit feeding the trolls.

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idiots LIKES to compare who is who, if we voiced our opinions in a general discussion forums =/= troll, period

Another troll thread from ellohwell. The system would suck and you know it

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Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi

i don't know all this bitching with targeting sistem. With F12, target filtering, /battletarget and new placeholders how people still have problems to target things

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And with how easy targeting is on the gamepad, you'd figure no one could bitch about it. Sadly this is not the case, people can and will bitch about anything they can, even if it's not actually an issue.