The Beast vs the Darkness

From a lore standpoint if a WAR and a DRK were to fight to the death who would win?

WAR would be too busy telling the DRK to look at their mad deeps
DRK would be too busy being an Edgelord

So, neither.

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Originally Posted by AskaRay

WAR would be too busy telling the DRK to look at their mad deeps
DRK would be too busy being an Edgelord

So, neither.

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Everyone go home.

It ultimately depends on ability of that person. But I am inclined to think that a DRK will have a slight edge over WAR.

That and

Derplander (a WAR) could not even beat a rogue (Thancred) in their fight

Probably a WAR, due to how aggressive it is. WARs feed on battles, so long as they don't wimp out and become a DRG :(

Depends on many things. The longer the fight, the more it goes to DRK IMO. Both use massive weapons, both have a very "attack centric" style. In a short fight, WAR would overpower DRK. In a long fight the DRK gets angrier and angrier, puts more and more cuts on the WAR. The main advantage of DRK is two fold IMO:
ONE: He uses MAGIC along with regular strength, unlike WAR (mostly).
TWO: He has a split personality. He can go angry and wreck up people, essentially becoming a leech. Or, he can be calm and cool and play it safe and defensive (lots of ands there). Or he can do both.

If we're comparing the primal forces that empower both Warriors and Dark Knights, it really is one-sided. While yes, Warriors are capable of intense destruction and possess extremely powerful bodies, they are, at the end of the day, a mere mortal. They are using their own body, and their body's own aether to fight. A Dark Knight in contrast, isn't relying on themselves, they are tapping into the vast wellspring of aether inside of the Abyss to power their abilities, their emotions meanwhile serve as the conduit. We see the full, unbridled strength of a Warrior in their level 50 Job quest, however, we see merely our Esteem, a fraction of ourselves, manifested with the full power of a Dark Knight. The mob known as Esteem can produce gravity wells, ancient dark magic that Diabolos used against us when he had first awakened and by extension, was supremely weakened; our Esteem also conjured Shadow Sprites, a creature we have only ever seen when fighting Ascians; our Esteem also possessed physical abilities that greatly surpassed our own, able to move faster than we could, had more stamina than we do, and could even seemingly teleport instantly across the battlefield. Put simply, it's a case of natural vs. supernatural, and generally, supernatural will win.

I think what your asking is from a lore perspective is the Warrior's Inner Beast or the Dark Knight's Darkness a stronger source. I'd say they are probably about equal though we have a much better understanding of the potential of the Inner Beast that the Dark Knight's Darkness as we have Warrior legends that are referenced.

The two powers seem to work in very different ways. The Inner Beast acts as a doping effect, effectively dramatically bolstering the Warrior's physical strength, endurance and instincts. As a result Warrior's are capable of feats of Physical strength a dark knight, and for that matter probably any other job could manage. Such as tearing the arms of a Behemoth with their bare hands. Effectively Warriors Hulk out. Dark Knights on the other hand harness the darkness within themselves and manifest it to augment their attacks and defence magically.

In a fight it would entirely depend on the individuals and their surroundings. On a purely power level I'd say they were pretty even though.

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Yah, I will admit, it was cool seeing all those abilities. Makes me wish MY DRK could use all the moves that were thrown against us. Or even unlock, completely, for a second, our inner darkness instead of just channeling it.

Who wins? The Paladin standing in the corner with a bucket of popcorn. :3

So my dad can beat up your dad.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

Who wins? The Paladin standing in the corner with a bucket of popcorn. :3

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Well yah, but even if he faces the winner and they are at 1/2 or even 1/3 HP, it will take him half a year to kill said winner. At minimum.

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Originally Posted by MiniPrinny

Put simply, it's a case of natural vs. supernatural, and generally, supernatural will win.

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Calling a Warrior's strength natural is kind of like calling the Incredible Hulk's strength natural. In fact there are a lot of parallels. The Inner Beast is definitely a supernatural method of bolstering physical characteristics. The Strength and Toughness a Warrior can achieve outstrips what can naturally be achieved.

Its hard bringing PLDs into the discussion cause lore wise the nature of their abilities and the power behind it has never really been very well explained. Shame they didn't in the HW PLD story cause what we got was just confusing.

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Originally Posted by nukemind

Depends on many things. The longer the fight, the more it goes to DRK IMO. Both use massive weapons, both have a very "attack centric" style. In a short fight, WAR would overpower DRK. In a long fight the DRK gets angrier and angrier, puts more and more cuts on the WAR. The main advantage of DRK is two fold IMO:
ONE: He uses MAGIC along with regular strength, unlike WAR (mostly).
TWO: He has a split personality. He can go angry and wreck up people, essentially becoming a leech. Or, he can be calm and cool and play it safe and defensive (lots of ands there). Or he can do both.

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Disagree.

Longer a fight goes on, the weaker a DRK gets. WAR have much better HP recovery and TP management, so they can just fight a war of attrition if they chose and just outlast the DRK.

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Originally Posted by nukemind

Well yah, but even if he faces the winner and they are at 1/2 or even 1/3 HP, it will take him half a year to kill said winner. At minimum.

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You should save that Salted Earth for the Warrior. ;3

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Originally Posted by PArcher

Disagree.

Longer a fight goes on, the weaker a DRK gets. WAR have much better HP recovery and TP management, so they can just fight a war of attrition if they chose and just outlast the DRK.

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Lawl, agreed. 3 minutes in the DRK would be running on empty while the WAR beat his face in.

I remember other mmos that allowed open world duels, tank duels were all the rage. I have fun memories of /shouting "Tank FIGHT!" and people come running to watch. We got bored before raids so we'd do dumb stuff.

One in particular, it was the main tank from our raid versus a tank of a competing guild. That fight took for freaking ever lol...

That's why tank fights are so epic. Deeps fights are like the black and white japanese samurai movies. The two deeps stand apart, staring each other down and BOOM! one is dead instantly and one stands barely alive grinning. Tanks are different. Get your popcorn and your chair. It's more like watching two sumo fighters bouncing bellies. What happens when a unstoppable force meets a unmovable object? :p

Though, personally, I think the darkness would win or leave their victim wanting to die. Evidence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKjZuykKY1I

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Originally Posted by PArcher

Disagree.

Longer a fight goes on, the weaker a DRK gets. WAR have much better HP recovery and TP management, so they can just fight a war of attrition if they chose and just outlast the DRK.

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I honestly have only just hit 30 on Warrior, but 60 on DRK. As DRK I can replinish HP and MP, and TP comes back naturally. Didn't realize WAR had that big of a moveset!

Dunno about lore stand point but if it were my stand point,Drk have about 30% win rate.Drk needs to finish the fight as fast as possible because he has limited mp.Also Drk can't just charge-in since War has better offensive,all Drk can do is go defensive and wait patiently for big swing such as Buther Block by Blocking 1-2 attack then counter with Dark Art + Carve and Spit while War do the 3rd overhead swing.

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Originally Posted by nukemind

I honestly have only just hit 30 on Warrior, but 60 on DRK. As DRK I can replinish HP and MP, and TP comes back naturally. Didn't realize WAR had that big of a moveset!

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Equilibrium - 0 cast time 1200 potency heal or 200 TP restore, 60 second cd
Inner Beast - restores 100% of the damage dealt as HP
Storm's Path - restores 50% (?) of the damage dealt as HP
Bloodbath - traited to last 30 seconds
Second Wind - xclass from pugilist

To say nothing of the old Berserk/Fell Cleave and what kind of damage that does... or the fact that their 30% damage reduction cooldown also has a "stop hitting yourself!" reflect effect to it. Warrior would be crazy strong in 1v1. @_@

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

Warrior would be crazy strong in 1v1. @_@

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"Would be"? Never played PvP >_>?

Gameplay and Lore are a tiny bit different matter, tho. I find the power level of the classes/jobs hard to tell.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

"Would be"? Never played PvP >_>?

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I never was much for Wolves Den and I play AST/BRD in Seal Rock. I try to avoid 1v1'ing anyone if I can help it. xD

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Originally Posted by Zojha

Gameplay and Lore are a tiny bit different matter, tho. I find the power level of the classes/jobs hard to tell.

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True. Lorewise I'd figure them all about equal but eh that's just me.

Goku. Always Goku.

I suggest bringing this question to the lore thread where people actually care. You might get some good discussion there instead of talk about the damage output!

Since this is based on what if in RL damage output and numbers don't exist then.

I think it all falls down to who has the most control, both DRK and WAR have this great power but also requires great control to use.

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Originally Posted by Cherie

I remember other mmos that allowed open world duels, tank duels were all the rage. (snip)

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I remember witnessing two healing classes in Everquest 2 duel. It was a templar vs. an Inquisitor. (both cleric sub classes). That fight lasted around 45 minutes before I had to go to bed. My wife stayed and watched. Said it lasted another 30-40 minutes before both parties just decided to call it a draw. She said it was fun to watch since both classes have a way of recovering from near death. The best part is, they both had spells that slowed the other down so they had time to regen mana for more heals. It was insane. The Inquisitor was more DPS than the Templar, but the Templar had better heals so they balanced out.