Healing for Thok ast Thock Extreme (Using the Duty Finder)

So, I just ran Thok ast Thok extreme for the first time... Let me tell you, that was a nightmare.

I watched MTCQueds' how-too you-tube video 4-5 times before entering que. So I was fairly confident with the 5 D's of Dodge-ball (Duck-dodge-Dip-Dive and Dodge). Well, I was naive. My confidence was shattered after we took him down to 50% hp the first time. Then subsequently our group kept getting worse and worse. Until finally (around the 6th time our group wiped). The tank told me, "English, No thanks" and I was kicked from the group.

I mean, yeah I get it. After the first wipe (all but 2 of us died at the same time that time). I died with the groups of individuals getting minced up. I get that. But it was also my first time. And for them to point me out as the cause of the wipes. They can suck it!

Am I wrong?

Also, on the first attempt. Everyone wiped at the same time except me, the other healer, and the two tanks. We stayed alive maybe for 1-2mins before we all died together. So yeah! I was doing good with the dodge mechanics. It just sucked when the I got marked up (on two seperate attempts). I ran to my designated position. And saw 2 other guys (obviously confused) run to my marker. 1 shotting me and 5 others.

First rule of EX primal fights

Never use duty finder

Second rule of EX primal fights

NEVER USE DUTY FINDER!


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Party finder can be your friend more than Duty Finder (99% of the time anyways)

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Originally Posted by Laurima

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Welp you may be right. Just DF'd again. And got put in with most of the same members as the first disaster. Holy shit they were ass-wholes. I'm EN, playing on a japanese server. Run dual monitor setup with google translate open up on my second monitor. And wow... they completely hate foreigners in there group. We took him down too 25% hp on the first attempt. Scholar got knocked off the platform. The tank started to spam, "Eye for an Eye" because I wasn't casting that on him. So. as an F U to the group. I ran next too the edge (without railing) and waited for him to punt me off.

Ahhhhhh that made me feel so much better.

Also, since I'm on a J server. What other option besides duty finder do I have? I can't group up with people. Unless I find a multi-lingual individual(s). So, transfer servers to EN? To be honest I'm only doing thok ast thok for the whm cane. I could skip it without a second thought. However what other dungeons (besides primal ex's) are recommended doing with friends/within your community?

You get hated on by Japanese on their servers? ouch from everything I've seen and read about the JP servers, their meant to be the nicest and most friendly group of people in this whole game

Maybe you just got unlucky

trick with running into idiots on Duty Finder is, that's pretty much their only option, Party finder people are more often that not, capable, experienced and friendly, but they don't put up with idiots being idiots.

You can't be the only English speaking gamer on Carbuncle tbh, chuck a party finder add up, with Rav EX being fairly old content now, you might have to wait a while for the party to fill but it would be a lot better than Duty Finder tbh

Failing that, yes Transfer to an English speaking server.

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Originally Posted by Laurima

You get hated on by Japanese on their servers? ouch from everything I've seen and read about the JP servers, their meant to be the nicest and most friendly group of people in this whole game

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Even the nicest of JP players I met who helped me and friends through Relic Reborn quest in 2.0 had reacted by saying "Why are you in our server?" when I said I wasn't a JP player.
Just a narrow/closed off mentality thing.

There are extremists in JP servers, like being kicked automatically for saying "Hello!" at the start of a dungeon in English and immediately being accused of being American and kicked.
(Don't take offense please - somehow speaking English = American to such ppl)
/shrug it's just a common input language...

Most recently my friend is now socially blocked from joining most Thordan EX groups on PF, even if it isn't his fault for wipes and was on his top game reaching final 20% alive every time.
It's just easier to blame someone else than one of your own.

Racist shenanigans & stories aside, my FC and seemingly many EN players stay low, try to be better than others and avoid getting picked into a fight.
Just want to enjoy the game!

But people will be people :P
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Originally Posted by BeautifulNerf

Scholar got knocked off the platform. The tank started to spam, "Eye for an Eye" because I wasn't casting that on him

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XD just a pissy & discontent tank picking a fight.
Having a probability buff like Eye for an Eye on him isn't gonna balance having lost one healer off platform, I'm sure he/they/we all know.

Near my last runs on Ravana, I had spent a whole part of a day (about 10 hours) doing just Ravana EX as a Tank with just 1 clear to show cuz "Final Liberation" kept wrecking JP DF groups.
I could have been pissy like that too at other players like that tank hahaha... but my faith is intact XD

The very last run I did for my last Ravana weapon was a perfect run but I got disconnected at last 10%.
I was leaping in panic and fuming because I've about had it with Ravana. I thought I lost my last token I needed.
But when I reconnected and loaded in, both JP healers were waiting for me while the rest of party had left.

<Welcome back!> They said!

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for healers, the Ravana Ex is never easy on your first time. well, unless youre really good and pick up things quickly. just keep practicing and you'll get the hang of it, you can even do dps in downtimes when you got comfortable with the fight.

as for the 'gaijin/foreigners hate', i think it was mostly caused by the rude attitude of many english players. been playing for a year, and honestly i never met that kind of hostility towards me (hopefully i dont have to.). i found that if you take time with using the auto-translate feature (for 'hello' and 'thank you, have a nice journey'), do your job well, and apologize after you made mistakes, it would be just fine.
but please note that this is based on my personal experience.

But.. but.. but... I thought the JP DF was a magical land of one-shots, hefty tax returns and unicorn farts? Just goes to show that the grass is not always greener and that our Western assumptions may be a smidge too broad.

I agree with madeindar. Usually humility will get you accepted into groups. The Japanese accepts foreigners. But they do get very anxious when they can't communicate a strategy in a foreign language. Well, they are definitely friendly, cuz I'm in a jp fc myself and I definitely like the conversations in there, as opposed to rude en players.

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Originally Posted by Laurima

First rule of EX primal fights

Never use duty finder

Second rule of EX primal fights

NEVER USE DUTY FINDER!


:)

Party finder can be your friend more than Duty Finder (99% of the time anyways)

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sorry but this is not true for all servers. Some servers it is the opposite.

Pretty much what has been said, Duty Finder is garbage and you should never expect to clear anything outside of dungeons and story mode fights while doing it. Make a party finder that asks for people who are experienced with the fight and you'll have much better luck.

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Originally Posted by Lemuel81

sorry but this is not true for all servers. Some servers it is the opposite.

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All servers use the same duty finder as long as they are on the same data center, so this is quite impossible. Maybe if you're on a japanese data center you'll have okay luck? But I tend to doubt it.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

Pretty much what has been said, Duty Finder is garbage and you should never expect to clear anything outside of dungeons and story mode fights while doing it. Make a party finder that asks for people who are experienced with the fight and you'll have much better luck.



All servers use the same duty finder as long as they are on the same data center, so this is quite impossible. Maybe if you're on a japanese data center you'll have okay luck? But I tend to doubt it.

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IIRC many of the japanese servers use PF as practice and DF as clears, that is what I have read at least. I have had more clears on Duty Finder minus savage and T13 than I have ever had luck in PF. So my point still stands..

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Originally Posted by Lemuel81

IIRC many of the japanese servers use PF as practice and DF as clears, that is what I have read at least. I have had more clears on Duty Finder minus savage and T13 than I have ever had luck in PF. So my point still stands..

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That is actually the way it's supposed to be done, and why the latest primals are never on Duty Finder to begin with. Anyone can setup server only parties for cooperation and learning, parties for final liberation/clear when RavEX was relevant, and parties for farm only. Farm meant you had to have a clear title or get the boot. That doesn't happen in DF, so everyone is at the mercy of those with the least experience.

Too many in NA use the DF for "oh this is for practice, gg" or they barely know the fight at-all, but want to get carried. When in reality they just end up screwing over those who actually brought clear experience and want to help. In a way I consider it rude to just queue up DF for challenging extremes and going blind without some working knowledge as the content had been out for months. Especially when a gift could drop on their lap with a good premade or a majority clear/farm party, so if one did their homework it could be a successful lockout. Many in a LS of mine used to premade queue for T13 for fun before HW, and we'd help get a few clears. Not always, due to what I mentioned but I wish more people would think about that aspect.

Yeah, as others have said, DF on the JP servers is for when you know a fight. PF is for learning. It comes down to being courteous and respectful of others' time. If I see a PF learning party, I know what I am getting into. That expectation is not there for Duty Finder, I'm joining a random group of people to clear a fight. So the polite thing to do is not join such a group when you're going to waste others' time because you don't know what you're doing.

If you want to learn a fight make a PF group. If you can't do that because you play on a Japanese server and don't speak Japanese, well, whose fault is that?

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Originally Posted by VisRalis

Racist shenanigans & stories aside, my FC and seemingly many EN players stay low, try to be better than others and avoid getting picked into a fight.
Just want to enjoy the game!

http://cdn.someecards.com/someecards...MxYzFmNjQ4.png

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This may be a stupid question, but it's an honest one, and not ment to offend or ridicual. But... why play on a JP server then? Why not join an english one? I was under the impression the JP servers were nicer then ours, but if they aren't, WHY? Why make teaming harder, when you can't understand the language, and the people aren't any nicer? I honestly... can't understand that.

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Originally Posted by Kingsnake661

This may be a stupid question, but it's an honest one, and not ment to offend or ridicual. But... why play on a JP server then? Why not join an english one? I was under the impression the JP servers were nicer then ours, but if they aren't, WHY? Why make teaming harder, when you can't understand the language, and the people aren't any nicer? I honestly... can't understand that.

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Likely due to their real-world location. See, the 'JA servers' are not just closer to Japanese players, but they tend to be favored by oceania players, and folks stationed overseas as well. These non-Japanese players do tend to group in FC's and Linkshells on their personal servers that speak their language of choice, but still, once they enter the DF (as we all do), they get thrown into the general player-pool for that server group...where now they likely are the minority.

Keep in mind, the ping times from Australia to Japan vs. Australia to Montreal...etc and it makes sense. Also keep in mind, that the 'Japanese Servers' aren't specifically only for Japanese-speaking individuals, but rather the location of the servers....sometimes the players on them forget that.

I see both sides. The Japanese should be more inclusive and less quick to judge someone just based on language/nationality. On the other hand, it's hard to play a game that requires teamwork w/ people if you don't understand each other. And since, while it's true many Japanese might have basic English skills...it's also true that many English speakers don't have basic Japanese language skills, it is kind of unfair that the communication burden, is on them.

Oh dear god RavEX in DF. Crying just thinking about it. QQ;

Ehhh all EXs can be fun in DF. Though some are more painful than others(ramuh, titan come to mind). But Ravvy ex? Nah that's easily DFable.

I've done t5 in df, you can down Ravana Ex, easy one.

I've done Rav Ex in DF and we cleared okay. A couple of wipes, and the group needed the healer lb, but it's definitely possible. One of the healers had All the Helpful Phase Macros, which was nice.

Yeah, RavEX is totally doable in DF nowadays because of gear progression and echo. Usually its no more than half of a party that hasn't cleared as I've done some Terror DF runs to help and see how things are playing alt jobs. Alive and good DPS will usually kill him before Final Liberation goes off.

You guys really think it's DFable/have cleared easy via DF, or are trolling? >.>

Idk. I very well could just have lolawful luck when it comes to who joins my groups, but usually the struggle is still real even with a PF "farm" group. Nvm my luck with the DF...

Then again, I DID end up clearing MogEX via DF... Boy was that a fun one~. (No really, it actually was pretty fun. :'P )

I wouldn't be surprised. At least in the heyday of Alexander normal for sexy 190 gear, I ended up having better quality groups via the DF instead of joining a farm party through the PF. :p

Though I'm not sure if that speaks volumes of Phoenix's average player or something else...

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Originally Posted by Miyha

You guys really think it's DFable/have cleared easy via DF, or are trolling? >.>

Idk. I very well could just have lolawful luck when it comes to who joins my groups, but usually the struggle is still real even with a PF "farm" group. Nvm my luck with the DF...

Then again, I DID end up clearing MogEX via DF... Boy was that a fun one~. (No really, it actually was pretty fun. :'P )

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Not trolling - really think it's easy to do.

I've been in DF a few more times over the weekend - made enough runs Friday/Saturday to get my WHM Hive Cane. It's definitely possible, but not always. But I'd say the DF groups are at least as good as the server PF groups I joined. I've only had one farm that was amazing and was getting five - six minute clears per run. I wish I could farm with those people again. T_T