How hard is Bismark Extreme

If you have to compare the difficulty of Bismark Ex with the difficulty of a 2.X Primal Ex, with which one do you campare it? I cleared all the 2.X Primal Ex and I'm asking myself how hard is Bismark Ex compare to the 2.X Primals Ex.

The difficulty is probably somewhere between Titan EX and Ramuh EX because of mechanics and dps checks. Also your whole team has to do their jobs, there is very little room for a carry.

I'd put it on 2.1 Garuda EX level because not too many mechanics, a few positional things and 90% about DPS.
There is room for carry in i200+ easily even if like 5 people play on par to their ilvl. PFs in i190+ burn the second Corona in 2 jumps on his back without LB.

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Originally Posted by Werhusky

I'd put it on 2.1 Garuda EX level because not too many mechanics, a few positional things and 90% about DPS.
There is room for carry in i200+ easily even if like 5 people play on par to their ilvl. PFs in i190+ burn the second Corona in 2 jumps on his back without LB.

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Yeah i would agree with this. Bismark is about slight tank positionals, tank swapping if needed and some burst dps checks. Its not too hard, so around Garuda EX.

I think it's really similar to Ramuh Ex but not as frustrating since you don't have any tethers and stuff like that to deal with or collecting orbs. It's a very slow paced fight much like Ramuh where you don't need to do a lot of dodging where you can only really wipe to people messing up their positions or not paying attention to the very slow mechanics.

Killed it in about 4 or 5 pulls in the first week of HW in i180 when none of us really knew how to play our jobs with the changes. The DPS check would be a joke with current available gear. The encounter is probably on par with Garuda ex when that was released. Nowhere close to the control needed for Ramuh at release nor the 'dance' memory of Titan ex.

I cleared it yesterday on the second DF group. It was my second try in DF (and in life), one of the tank was new and there was another new in the party. After the tanks ajusted for the swap during the snakes phase and the party understanded the weather in phase 3, we got it. So, in my experience in DF for Primals ex, it's a easy one, maybe the easiest.

Next : Ravana! Seems pretty more hard...

Easy basic fight if people know there dps rotations and down the shell fast enough.

When it first came out, the DPS check was quite tight on the snakes and you needed pretty high raid DPS overall (killing the first carapace in just one go was an indicator of good DPS) the mechanics are pretty easy, especially if the weather changes are called out. Nowadays, with higher gear, the DPS checks are barely an issue and mechanics are quite easy to get down, so I wouldn't worry.

I should farm that, I really like most of the gear in there, might give me something to do while waiting for 3.2

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Originally Posted by Tizzy_Tormentor

When it first came out, the DPS check was quite tight on the snakes and you needed pretty high raid DPS overall (killing the first carapace in just one go was an indicator of good DPS) the mechanics are pretty easy, especially if the weather changes are called out. Nowadays, with higher gear, the DPS checks are barely an issue and mechanics are quite easy to get down, so I wouldn't worry.

I should farm that, I really like most of the gear in there, might give me something to do while waiting for 3.2

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Good luck farming that. I've never had a queue for that less than an hour. Even healer queues take a while. Good luck getting a pf for it too.

I decided to farm this a few months ago as was one of the few cards I still needed. Since PF didn't have much success, probably because there's not really much reason to run this after clearing it once, I had to go with DF.

Despite everyone in i200, people still couldn't meet the dps check. The closest I came to giving up on the card completely was one run, where one guy instsed we just keep spawning the first two trash adds over again and again until we'd built up a ton of echo, as it was the "only" way to meet the dps check... I don't even...

anyway I eventually got the card and don't see my ever going back in

the fight is not hard at all, but you are at the mercy of DF

Not very. People are bad but if there's two competent dps with i200 weapons they can usually carry the other two. The biggest source of wipes is tank swaps on the snakes. They can go bad in a lot of ways that may not be anyone's fault directly.

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Originally Posted by Immut

Not very. People are bad but if there's two competent dps with i200 weapons they can usually carry the other two. The biggest source of wipes is tank swaps on the snakes. They can go bad in a lot of ways that may not be anyone's fault directly.

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Yeah, the tank swap can be a problem. If fact, that's probably the « hardest » part of the fight. The other wipe source can be the Wind during the Weather phase, if some players didn't notice and are kick out of the fight. But, well, I don't have a great experience of this fight, but that was the two biggest sources of wipe I noticed. And for the farming, people will probably go back to this fight when there will be a pony to get ;)

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Originally Posted by Nephisto

Yeah, the tank swap can be a problem. If fact, that's probably the « hardest » part of the fight. The other wipe source can be the Wind during the Weather phase, if some players didn't notice and are kick out of the fight. But, well, I don't have a great experience of this fight, but that was the two biggest sources of wipe I noticed. And for the farming, people will probably go back to this fight when there will be a pony to get ;)

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With the current gear even poor performing players have enough to overcome the dps checks in the fight now. Only people who still seem to struggle are those who just stand there like a deer caught in headlights.

Bismark is not at all hard, but players cannot be asleep because of the dps check. Our group also cleared it the first with of HW. I do agree however with current gear people are overgeared even for it, so should be much of an issue.
If players in ilv 200 gear still cannot meet the dps check, then issue sorry to say is the group and they just need to tighten up/learn rotations better.
RavanaEX is more so a fight that cleared easier with coordination but it does not have a dps check like that of Bismark

I just did it for the first time in a PF learning group the other day. We cleared it on the third or fourth try I think? (Granted I think all or 7/8 of us had seen the video beforehand).

Honestly I thought it was pretty easy. And I'd say our average item level was in the range of 180-190?
We wiped the first time for not downing the adds fast enough.
Second time was because of the dragon DPS check - Some people didn't realize their debuff switched half way through.
Third was a failed tank swap attempt
Last time was due to weather - People assumed it was water weather because it was raining - but it was actually wind.

After that we cleared.


IMO titan is much harder, if only because you really have to memorize everything (especially if you're running like 30fps or less) and the chance of falling off is astronomically higher. Bismark has some memorization, but it's not so intense, and it's harder to fall off. I think even levi Ex was harder than Bis.

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Originally Posted by Immut

Not very. People are bad but if there's two competent dps with i200 weapons they can usually carry the other two. The biggest source of wipes is tank swaps on the snakes. They can go bad in a lot of ways that may not be anyone's fault directly.

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It's just communication really you just need everyone to know when a swap is happening and to keep one area clear so nobody gets double stomped by the adds. Usually what happens is people like to collect in the middle instead of spread out so when the tanks try to swap they just take loads of damage from attacks.