Don't be "that DPS"

You know the one I'm talking about.
Pre-charge all your cooldowns before the pull and start casting your biggest AoE right as the tank starts running toward the group.

I (as PLD) usually get a shield lob off and, before one GCD has cycled, every mob I didn't touch is now making a bee line for the DPS. Then I get to hear all the complaining about me not holding hate.

This isn't a progression raid, it's DF.

Give it 3 seconds before you go ape sh*t on everything.

Sincerely,
someone who just wants to level a tank job.

I can feel the urge to do this on a Summoner if the tank is going too slow in between pulls since my stacks wear off in 30 seconds. Deathflare is extremely fun to use.

The irony being that you're listed as an archer, and that the class most likely to rip hate in the early leveling dungeons indiscriminately is archer.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

The irony being that you're listed as an archer, and that the class most likely to rip hate in the early leveling dungeons indiscriminately is archer.

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I can vouch for this.
I love pulling hate off tanks as BRD...which is why I don't feel too bad when it happens when I'm tanking. I usually get the hate right back. Also, I mean, the boss will hit them right in the face so... win/win.

reference: me I've been hit tons of times for doing this.

*Looks up from a cup of coffee*
Y-... You mean there's another kind of DPS?

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Originally Posted by The_Last_Dragoon

I can feel the urge to do this on a Summoner if the tank is going too slow in between pulls since my stacks wear off in 30 seconds. Deathflare is extremely fun to use.

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I have been very guilty of this lol :D
I feel bad when I do it, and I know as a main tank that it an be annoying :D

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Originally Posted by The_Last_Dragoon

I can feel the urge to do this on a Summoner if the tank is going too slow in between pulls since my stacks wear off in 30 seconds. Deathflare is extremely fun to use.

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Not fun if you die a lot because of Deathflare. Some tanks couldnt hold the threat I made because they love to switch to dps stance in the middle of tanking trashes. And when I use my Deathflare, bam, all trashes go to me and I always ended up dead. I'm so tired of it sometimes I wait about 10 - 15 seconds before I start using Bane and Painflare, especially Deathflare.

But my stacks. MY PRECIOUS STACKS

I'm guilty of using thundercloud proc just before shield lob hits the next group of mobs. My OCD can't handle leaving an unused thundercloud. It hurts my soul if we finish a boss or a mob group and I have thundercloud ticking away to oblivion. Dx (Firestarter I can let go, but thundercloud. Nope!) But I'm nice enough to swoosh to the tank's side and wait enough for them to get hate before I go apesh1t again. :D

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Originally Posted by ChloeGrace

You know the one I'm talking about.
Pre-charge all your cooldowns before the pull and start casting your biggest AoE right as the tank starts running toward the group.

I (as PLD) usually get a shield lob off and, before one GCD has cycled, every mob I didn't touch is now making a bee line for the DPS. Then I get to hear all the complaining about me not holding hate.

This isn't a progression raid, it's DF.

Give it 3 seconds before you go ape sh*t on everything.

Sincerely,
someone who just wants to level a tank job.

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If we are talking about group pulls I tend to wait for the tank to atleast do one aoe enmity skill... On bosses though... prepull foe, he,b4b,rs - empy hitting when tank hits the boss.

But yeah did a dreadwyrm stance once or twice when stacks were about to fall off...

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Originally Posted by AskaRay

I can vouch for this.
I love pulling hate off tanks as BRD...which is why I don't feel too bad when it happens when I'm tanking. I usually get the hate right back. Also, I mean, the boss will hit them right in the face so... win/win.

reference: me I've been hit tons of times for doing this.

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I see I'm not the only bard with that hobby... but then I also OT and MT a lot on bard other places...

I can be guilty of this. I like to start casting Fire III while the tank is getting aggro and sometimes my timing is off. But this one I had this awesome tank who caught on about halfway through the dungeon and we started playing what basically equated to Aggro Chicken. At one mob he started walking up and I started casting. He stopped and turned to look at me. I stopped and looked at the healer being all nonchalant.

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Originally Posted by ChloeGrace

Sincerely,
someone who just wants to level a tank job.

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As one who is "that DPS" ... as well as Heal and Tank... let me tell you.

That´s the least to worry about. As Pala, i did this all along. Shield lob, end everything goes straight line to whomever is behind me doing "that thing"... a well timed Flash get´s em all, along with circle of scorns.

A second Flash maybe if we go for AoEing the trash to fix hate and i´m fine... positive on that, the mobs usually are perfectly aligned between you and the party, facing away from the plushies...

I usually have to throw down enmity spams in dungeons when a ninja opens up with a vulnerability stab and then blows all his cooldowns on a single target. But that's just good DPS so I don't get to upset because he/she will usually kill it by the time I'm just about to lose aggro.

Summoners are usually a big AOE hog. They tend to generate the most enmity on AOE pulls for sure, just gotta prioritize enmity before damage. As long as you hold your targets you will do fine. "Don't be that tank."
:P

To all SMN's who are complaining about losing dreadwyrm stacks in between pulls, here is the solution:

Use 3 stacks per pull. :3

EDIT: This topic was kinda the last straw, so I made this :D

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-s-in-dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Pyroclastic

To all SMN's who are complaining about losing dreadwyrm stacks in between pulls, here is the solution:

Use 3 stacks per pull. :3

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This. If mobs are dying quick but tank is slow, bane - painflare - fester - deathflare.

Well Ninja could attack and then just transfer hate on to the tank :P
But honestly Bards are usually the culprits for early pulls, lol

Tanks learn nothing while leveling if everyone gave them a head start in threat. Leveling your class is indicative to learning it as well. Not everyone will be kind and give you multiple GCD's worth of threat, so you might as well learn how to deal with it while you aren't competing with 210's for threat.

My friend told me not to worry about pulling off him on blm during set up, or with sch by chasing him with miasma 2 + swift shadow flare. Sadly, things don't go nearly as well with other tanks. .___.

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Originally Posted by Morzy

But my stacks. MY PRECIOUS STACKS

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As a main tank I do my level best to chain pull when I have any dps with stacks that wear off.

But it's fun to rip the mobs off the tank... Though before you get Flash I stick to single target spells cuz it's not fun to lose aggro.
But on the topic at hand, I'm not one of "those" I'll always let you get a shield lob off and I'll start with F3 so you have time for one more skill before:

FLARE ALL THE THINGS. MOAR FLARE.

It does give me a perverse sense of joy to rip hate away from the tanks.

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Originally Posted by Pyroclastic

To all SMN's who are complaining about losing dreadwyrm stacks in between pulls, here is the solution:

Use 3 stacks per pull. :3

EDIT: This topic was kinda the last straw, so I made this :D

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-s-in-dungeons.

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Originally Posted by FunkyBunch

It does give me a perverse sense of joy to rip hate away from the tanks.

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Lol, I too have experienced this. Usually I wait till the Tank has enough hate (attacked the mobs and used AoE) but sometimes I react a bit to fast. I never complain when tank loses hate though, I know I may have been a bit overzealous with my DPS increasing ways. Bard is awesome class and I want to have more DPS!!! So I do this and that and add that oh look another crit adder *puts it in* anyway ye... lol. Also like AskaRay, if I get hate I stop using my skills and run to tank so they can get hate back and take a small pause before I attack again. (all the while keeping an eye on MP/TP need if anyone falls below 50%)

One of the reasons I love Shadewalker so I CAN be "that DPS".

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Originally Posted by The_Last_Dragoon

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I admit I have giggled when double Flare critted both times and I had a rush of all the mobs after me.
A single Flare crit makes you orange, every time. A double Flare crit is not something you can control, but is hilarious when it happens.
Even though everyone dies.

Also I know it's only funny to me :P

If I run with a good tank, then I turn it into a game to see if I can pull hate (I'll give it back). But then I end up with "that tank" where I just ignore all my buffs and turn my rotation into 1.....1/2......1/2/3.......1/2/3.......1/2/3 in order to keep from becoming the MT.

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Originally Posted by ChloeGrace

You know the one I'm talking about.
Pre-charge all your cooldowns before the pull and start casting your biggest AoE right as the tank starts running toward the group.

I (as PLD) usually get a shield lob off and, before one GCD has cycled, every mob I didn't touch is now making a bee line for the DPS. Then I get to hear all the complaining about me not holding hate.

This isn't a progression raid, it's DF.

Give it 3 seconds before you go ape sh*t on everything.

Sincerely,
someone who just wants to level a tank job.

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Yeah, I hate that. I'm a PLD, so I only have Flash and Scorn, and Scorn being a CD makes it tough sometimes, only to then be flagged as a bad tank.

I had a NIN use B4B, Kassatsu + Raiton as I was running towards the Oppressor. Jeez, at least use Shadewalker first.

Can I request some tanks to step up too?
Most the Tank playerbase do good or great but sometimes... let's say the only thing I use while the tank is pulling is Battle Litany and that I stole the aggro from Chinese Ravana (the one in Fractal) with my first Heavy Thrust, I tanked the whole fight after trying to give the aggro back with Elusive Jump, he was better geared than me atm.
Else, good job, guys. And die more often in primals so I can haz the spotlight for a short while e.e

The bigger problem I have from "that Dps" is when bad Dps arbitrarily decide that the Tank is not doing their job well enough, then they try to "help" them along but actually make things much worse. A common example of this is when Dps run off on their own to grab more mobs for the Tank because they think he/she is not pulling big enough. Newsflash! If your Dps sucks, pulling bigger mobs is not going to help. It only makes things harder for the healer and Tank, because the healer is spending more Mp per pull, and the Tank has to blow more CD's instead of timing them for the next pull.

A lot of Dps don't seem to get that Tanks (that is, 'good' tanks) have a reason for pulling in sections. They're planning their CD's multiple pulls in advance and they're judging how big that pull should be based on how fast or slow the Dps is. They also tend to keep an eye on the healer's Mp. If it's running low, then it's not a good idea to pull more. Dps, on the other hand, ignore this and be like, "why you so slow!?" Then they go pull stuff on their own. Better yet, often these same Dps refuse to work together, focusing down different mobs at a much slower rate thank killing the same one together. The tank is then forced to split their enmity and dps to compensate, reducing Dps even further. Then they ask why you're not pulling more. Gee ... I wonder.

I never care if the Tanks loses aggro to me, in fact, I feel really bad about doing it since I assume responsibility for being inattentive about my threat level. Albeit, whenever I lose aggro as a tank then I feel like I am failing hard for not paying enough attention either.
But um.... I'll never in a thousand years understand why people actual enjoy doing such a thing. Either there is an iLevel discrepancy, the Tank wasn't paying enough attention or they're inexperienced. What about any of those three options gives anyone a sense of satisfaction? ; If anything, I worry that I am annoying the tank.

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Originally Posted by Februs

The bigger problem I have from "that Dps" is when bad Dps arbitrarily decide that the Tank is not doing their job well enough, then they try to "help" them along but actually make things much worse. A common example of this is when Dps run off on their own to grab more mobs for the Tank because they think he/she is not pulling big enough. Newsflash! If your Dps sucks, pulling bigger mobs is not going to help. It only makes things harder for the healer and Tank, because the healer is spending more Mp per pull, and the Tank has to blow more CD's instead of timing them for the next pull.

A lot of Dps don't seem to get that Tanks (that is, 'good' tanks) have a reason for pulling in sections. They're planning their CD's multiple pulls in advance and they're judging how big that pull should be based on how fast or slow the Dps is. They also tend to keep an eye on the healer's Mp. If it's running low, then it's not a good idea to pull more. Dps, on the other hand, ignore this and be like, "why you so slow!?" Then they go pull stuff on their own. Better yet, often these same Dps refuse to work together, focusing down different mobs at a much slower rate thank killing the same one together. The tank is then forced to split their enmity and dps to compensate, reducing Dps even further. Then they ask why you're not pulling more. Gee ... I wonder.

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I almost never experienced this, but I used to find it quite obnoxious, yes. Cooldown planning aside, it could be a simple fact that the Tank is not comfortable with larger pulls, in which case sit the hell down and give them a damn break.

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I wish I could like this more.

Oh GAWD yes i loved it.

Tank pulls one group of mobs and continues to run to the second group. I bio II, miasma, bio..... bane! By the time the tank hits the third group I have all the aggro. >:[ you going to tell me to not be that kind of healer? ;c

New tank is not confortable with this, it can be annoying in DF, if all the players expect experienced players only.
i Suggest to any tank, to use Aoe to pull the pack of 3 enemies, only shield lob any single target enemy. if the dps got the Hate, continue your pull when you have finish just go where your dps stand and multi flash/overpower/unleash till you have get enough aggro on everything. anyway if the dps is smart enough he will use sprint and stack near you, so you can do your favorite aggro aoe.

What happen in df..., many players are rushing content.
It's annoying for someone new in any Job.
When players is not doing drama, and blaming others when a wipe occur even when there news players.
It can be true to say also, some players have no respect for pick ups but still doing content in DF... we can't generalize but we have all encounter some players like that...

So true! I mean I am not new, I run a lot of dungeons already, but I also get annoyed by Elitists that just run forward and expect everyone to know the fight, when I see the new to dungeon etc message I want to find out if they are new, if they are to explain to them mechanics.

I get it you done the content so often I get it you do not want to spend long time in old dungeons, but seriously. Either DEAL with it or do NOT sign up for duty roulette.

Cause new people feel uncomfortable when they don't have time to even read explanation. This causes only more trouble for the party as a whole. "There videos and guides" ye well guess what, to remember ALL that info before a dungeon, you mix it up or forget stuff, so PLEASE allow people to be explained boss by boss by those that DO have that patience!
Thankfully I meet a lot of people, in either role, that are not bothered by having to wait a bit. As for me I actually like helping new players feel comfortable.

Direct quote from a DF run a while back after PLD was blamed for a wipe on a trash pull:

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PLD: maybe dps shouldn't attack
PLD: dps 101

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If I can save grease lightning I will.

IF it happens then I just pull hate back. If someone is impatient enough then they can take a few licks while i finish my opener. It's what they have chosen to do. Hate is a party responsibility, not solely the tanks.

As a Ninja main: Shadewalker. No problems. :D

As a Ninja, if I get bored and decide it's time to pull, you're pulling whether you like it or not. Shade + Huton and it's all yours.

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Originally Posted by karateorangutang

IF it happens then I just pull hate back. If someone is impatient enough then they can take a few licks while i finish my opener. It's what they have chosen to do. Hate is a party responsibility, not solely the tanks.

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This! People get so up tight about doing their jobs that it seems as though they forget they're running in an actual party. Pop those enmity cooldowns and help the tank and the rest of the party out. Just today, I had to pop a few enmity cooldowns 'cause I kept ripping the aggro off of the tank 'cause that could cause a wipe if the healer has to then focus on healing the tank, me, and trying to keep aggro off of themselves as well but even then, the healer has enmity cooldowns as well...as everyone else. Please don't act like the tank is the only one responsible for aggro maintenance; you're in a party so working together in every aspect is recommended.