Thoughts for the Next diadem. Feedback thread.

Ok so it seems like the next Diadem, "Diadem 2" is going to have come changes to it.

What would you like to see or what do you want Diadem 2 to be like?

For me I would.

1. Remove flying.
Yes! I said it! Remove flying please. If it's supposed to be a open world dungeon then let us not use mounts then and explore on foot. Give us the feeling of exploration and adventure by discovering new lands caves etc. Once I unlocked flying for my 1st run I just flew around the map to see it all.

2. Discover Caves! Forests etc.
What I mean by this is certain part of the Island go linear with the odd 1 or 2 split paths that you can explore. So For example lets say you find a cave and at the end of the Cave, (end point could be random or just straight up A to B) could be a gold Treasure chest but you have to fight even harder mobs in the cave to get there safely.
So the idea of this one is where the path turns into a dungeon within a dungeon so like the caves, woodlands, mountains etc.

3. HNM less RNG conidtions.
Ok so in Diadem, you defeat mobs, adds to your NM counter and once you reach a certain amount there is a chance of a IV,V or * NM to appear. It would be nice to unlock a specific NM we need to defeat 20 Spiders or something then go to a Spider cave where a gold Treasure is but also a HNM Spider Lord is inside as well but to gain accesses to the Cave you need to clear 2 other Caves which 1st etc or if you want to spawn a Undead Spider Lord kill 10 Spiders and 15 Skeletons. You get the idea.

4. Mobs don't have a respawn timer.
To encourage moving from Island to Island in order for mobs to re spawn on Island A, all of Island B and half of Island C monsters need to be killed.


For me this is what I wouldn't mind, whats your thoughts?

I think the caves in the Diadem where flying is suddenly not allowed were actually my favourite bits of the entire experience. Now it's all dino island grind, but back when it was new, those caves were the exciting parts. Your idea makes it sound like an expansion of just those types of areas, and of that I'd approve that!

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Originally Posted by Canadane

I think the caves in the Diadem where flying is suddenly not allowed were actually my favourite bits of the entire experience. Now it's all dino island grind, but back when it was new, those caves were the exciting parts. Your idea makes it sound like an expansion of just those types of areas, and of that I'd approve that!

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my thoughts excally! It was fun to explore the cave and see our efforts of fighting through the mobs only to find......it came out the other end.

I would say they should let us force pop NM in tiers, like how we had in FFXI, that was fun :) I would have no problem farming that, and meeting certain conditions to spawn diff types of NM!

Like we could farm mobs and a NM will pop from lottery...and the NM drop a pop item to trade to a ??? and then it pops an even more challenging NM..and so forth ^^

1. Stronger mobs with lower health.
Make the combat actually interesting, not just bashing your face against a health wall repeatedly. Whose idea was that?
Also reduce the "expected" party fighting these to 4. Free up half the party to help in other ways.

2. Change the "tracking" system to actually be tracking.
Give each party one specific "target" mob on the map that will spawn their next NM. When you kill a mob, have it tell you how far away your target is. By killing a couple, you can get your bearings and head of in the right direction to find your mark. It makes the hunt engaging instead of just zerging to quickly rush up a counter. Again, 4-man miniboss mobs for normal mobs, and dungeon boss style fights for the NMs.

3. Replace the chest "pops" with mini dungeons.
Currently the chest "pop" spots are fixed locations that take forever to respawn meaning when you get in, they're likely all already taken by some other party. I would replace that with a system that constantly keeps a number of them up across the map as a whole, respawning a new one somewhere else when one is used.

Now, instead of just giving a chest, popping one of these teleports the user to a solo mini-dungeon. Inside is some sort of challenge. A puzzle, a platforming challenge, an arena of AoEs to dodge for a time, etc. Make something interesting. If the player wins the challenge within the time limit, it spawns a silver or gold chest. If they fail, they get bronze.

This will sound odd for an MMO, but I want it to be possible to go lone wolf and explore on my own.

Head off into a cave network, use stealth to sneek around (or pure bad assery to break through) mobs. In fact, it'd be cool if there were lower powered enemies with high HP and strong enemies with low hp. As well as HNMs that are so powerful it's going to destroy anything but a full Allience Raid to defeat. (With rewards to match).

Kinda wanting a laberynth to explore rather than Floating islands with stupid mobs that need a full 8 man party to take down so much as a driggen reskined normal mob.

I tried Diadem yesterday and it was very boring. Everybody running like crazy to attune with aether current, then everybody flying everywhere, then we fight some mobs and it took a long time because half the party was gathering. Once the exploration mission finished, three players left, and the other four started to gathering. A 45 minutes wait for that? Never agains... I like a lot of thing in FF14, but not that. I never had the feeling I was EXPLORING.

Mindless zerg fests of killing the same enemy over and over is not fun.

If they can fix that, I would try it again.

I really like the OP's ideas. They are not exactly what I would want, but I like them. I'd say not remove flying but have it be removed by certain weather conditions or something like that. I love flying but I like to be forced to explore on the ground too. Someone in here posted about having the treasure chests pop in a new location and having it tele you to a mini dungeon or challenge, and having tracking actually be tracking. I love all these ideas except the mini dungeon thing. Just kinda feel that would be a bit hectic, but the other things..... force us to go to every island, or at least a few of the other islands would be great. Less RNG, great. I disagree about the mindless zerg fest. I love coming to diadem to have nice long fights against single targets for once, fights everywhere else in game are over too quickly. Diadem is great just needs some tweaks. have gatherers not be able to loot if they never tagged that particular mob. give vote kick options (Yoshi you said you wanted diadem to be a world where players kinda make their own rules, letting us kick is letting us make our own rules). I do feel it is exploratory but I also do feel its not exploratory enough, MAKE us HAVE to go to various islands for REASONS. make us explore more and make it so everyone doesn't just fly off to fight stuff with the biggest number over its head.

Gave a like to these ideas. Especially the HNM one. I really thought this would be something like sky or sea, mix it up with additional explorations I would love to go back to this content. Doing HNM with a token system or just have it random two drops would be great.

Randomized Flying Islands. Or at least a few different map presets (not just Easy, normal, hard).

I'd also say blank map each time, but that would probably frustrate more people than its worth....

1) it would be nice that new diadem explorer missions would be in smaller instances, though is great have a big map, would be better have more maps still if those were a bit smaller.
2) It would be nice that mobs hp would be related to party size, i mean smaller parties have monsters with less hp than big parties.
3) Right now the instances are shared between many parties, so it should be best that not and better just at most enter in alliance (aka 3 parties).

So the idea would be have more private instances, with area size and monsters difficult depending on the party also may be possible have different entrace in df/ship like pvp entraces for this setup.
(Having allways a full party is sometimes a pain, though with FC ship entrace this requeriment may be bypass the trouble remains on area monsters difficult that remains as needed for a full party).
If possible have randomized islands or at least randomized selection from possible islands. So with this on some areas may be removed the fly possibility as some players dislike it, but also many others love fly (like myself)

Also if possible could have some areas specializated, like gathering only or dino rush survival only, wich can give more push toward a group goal rather than let parties broke to do on their freedom.
So may let those specialized areas be more like mini-games where they rewards be mostly tokens, or be "Fates" for diadem.

Just have NMs spawn randomly somewhere. And not spawned by killing the same mobs in one spot. That would make people explore and shout while doing objectives. Also 210 to 205? It was rare enough getting a decent 210, now lowering? I dunno, bit late for that. Most would have upgraded eso or raid gear by now. I mainly go because I want that damn hawk ><

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Originally Posted by Callback

2. Change the "tracking" system to actually be tracking.
Give each party one specific "target" mob on the map that will spawn their next NM. When you kill a mob, have it tell you how far away your target is. By killing a couple, you can get your bearings and head of in the right direction to find your mark.

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This sounds much more fun than what we currently have.

My suggestion would be that each diadem run you have a set number of star mobs (5? 10?) to find. Some are as you have suggested, but also have that gatherers can find "notes" or something that give the details necessary to spawn a star. Maybe kill a certain number of a certain mob to make the star mob appear or something. Or a note that says if your party splits up and presses three black crystals at the same time the star will appear at x,y coords?

Maybe some just already spawned, but in caves or whatever for people just to explore looking for.

Just get rid of it. No one does it anymore.

I suggest just turn diadem to a gathering content. ^^;

Everyone entered diadem will be able to gather anything regardless they have what gathering job/lv,
(ofcoz, just give a reason like "oh you were covered by the blessing from the gathering god of diadem")

then many ppl will go in gathering when nothing to do.

Well first off I would say A couple preset maps would be a good idea. But make it randomize to some extent. Players start off with a blank map each time they enter form a randomized entry point into a secluded part of the map, sectioned off from other parts of the map, from there I have two ideas:

• Don't add an Mapping the Realm achievement for this map. I have a selfish reason for that but such an achievement would be impossible with the above in mind, especialy the map reset)
• Alternatively, DO add achievements for mapping out the place, or rather, the sections of the place that players are currently in. With its own rewards such as a title ("Cartographer"), some Galmour pieces and a Mount

From there I also agree with locking down flight for reasons state above.


The actual Exploration. First off there will be 8 Maps, each aspected to one of the elements, with that map's ground and some of its mobs as well as the sky Below Colored accordingly.

• Red (Fire),
• Orange (Earth),
• Light/Pure Astral (Yellow),
• Green (Wind, this one already exists in game),
• Cyan (Ice),
• Blue (Water),
• Purple (Lightning)
• and Darkness/Pure Umbral (Magenta).

In these maps players will have to similar objectives to Regular Diadem, as well as some New more dynamic ones based on the map, mostly involving debuffs. These will be administered via a Guildleve like system rather than a duty like system, allowing for more dynamic goals.

The randomized gear will be the rewards from these "Leves" rather than from regular mobs (Key word Regular. Higher ranked mobs will still give chests if they are spawned). Plus an additional chest which will give everyone one piece of gear each if they "Complete" the map. The quests will be similar to leves in other aspects, which will include pacifying feral creatures or dispelling glamours but some of these quests will have other objectives as well. In fact some DoW/M quests cannot be completes without a DoL for key items do not always drop from mobs, but must be gathered instead.


To keep everything organized, these new leves will be shared by players and assessable via a new window called "Exploration Quests", all of which will be are to the journal if completes regardless of whether or not you personality did the quest or not.


Spawning the Higher Ranked Mobs will also have its conditions changed. With some triggers being the same key items, emotes or other "unusual" objectives that the Leves needs. But there will always be two consistent conditions, you much map out your section an you mush clear a certain amount of leves total



The Lore for this is simple, your FC has been noticed by Rowena after discovering new locations and she gives the opportunity for them to become freelancers working as both adventurers (as per usual) and cartographers, the map reset being you giving the map to the clients who will also supply the leves., a bit more than the first incarnation had in terms of lore.


The Leve rewards will include ad the default a piece of randomized gear as well as options of the following:

• Dye: Primarily new hues and the occasional General-Purpose dye
• Glamour Prisms
• Crystal Shards, Crystals (yes I know, redundant) and Clusters: But their aspect is based on the map, with only the Light and darkness Maps having more than one type
• Spoils or Another randomized Gear: this one is very Rare
• Catch Up Patches will also a as options upgrade mats for whatever the current capped tome armor, the patches afterwards will add the upgrade token for weapons as well
• Tier V Materia
• Occasional Tokens such as the Proto Ultima Exoplating: These will be ependent ont the weather
• And finally Orchestration Rolls for 1.0 music: Which will also be available in the Spoils shop
• Allagan Tomestones of <insert uncapped type here>: also a guaranteed reward

However the quests themselves are tiered and tied to a new type of rank. The Voyager Rank. By completing an turning in maps an clearing these leves you get wealthier clients, which will allow more challenging and rewarding quests.


Finally there will be buffs tie to how many leves you do, which allow for increase gathering, attractions of toughener enemies and a random chest to spawn, getting more powerful as you do, more leves



So yeah, this is basically a rehashing of both Diadem, Leves AND Beast Tribe Dailies (minus the "Daily" part) but I think it can make a more interesting experience than Diadem. On the other hand a lot of these ideas are more grindly (thought the leves will always for you to go to out of your way locations for your objectives)