Jobs to progress by clearing quests...

...rather than gaining EXP.

I noticed this in the 2.0 systems and content PDF on the big announcement. I've tried searching to see if anyone has talked about this yet but i wasn't able to find anything.

I'm curious what this really means. If it means that we will no longer exp from mobs at all, or if there will maybe be some kind of combination of the two. I'm not really sure how I would feel if there wasn't anymore standard grinding on mobs type of thing. I mean it could be good, but I'm not sure if it could be done right.

What are your guy's thoughts on the subject?

My suspicion personally is that there won't be job /levels/ at all, actually; that jobs will provide a template of stat buffs to a particular class, along with new skills for that class to use and new, specific armour.

From what I understand, your advanced class will not be EXP leveled. It will gain it's levels through job specific quests. Your regular classes like PUG, LNC, GLA, CNJ, etc., will still level via EXP.

Personally, I think it's a very interesting concept to level Paladin, Black Mage, White Mage, Dragoon, Warrior, Monk and Bard through means other than repeated EXP grind.

Also from what I gather, you earn the skills for those jobs via the quests as well.

I already do this, complete them on Conjurer, hand in on Archer, ding 19k exp from the main storyline! :)

I think it means you don't level up jobs. It's not BRD 50, it's more like ARC 50 BRD. The jobs are a play style. The unlocking you do unlocks abilities for that play style.

I think it should be an option.

*Grinding mobs solo
*Grinding mobs in a party
*Grinding quests solo

All should be optional. When I have the time I would love to party up and go grind with it for a few hours. When I do not have that much time I would love to log and go do some quick solo quest (leves are good for this anyway). When I do not feel like partying I would love to put on some music and go grind some mobs solo. I find it pretty relaxing to do :D

So you keep to level your CLASSES with XP and your jobs with quests?
Interesting!!!!

i think this peticular addition is bad

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Originally Posted by smokymcweed

i think this peticular addition is bad

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Would you care to elaborate as to why you believe so please?

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Originally Posted by Alerith

From what I understand, your advanced class will not be EXP leveled. It will gain it's levels through job specific quests. Your regular classes like PUG, LNC, GLA, CNJ, etc., will still level via EXP.

Personally, I think it's a very interesting concept to level Paladin, Black Mage, White Mage, Dragoon, Warrior, Monk and Bard through means other than repeated EXP grind.

Also from what I gather, you earn the skills for those jobs via the quests as well.

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I didn't think about it that way. Very interesting, If it ends up being exactly like that I don't think it would be too bad at all.

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Originally Posted by Drako

...rather than gaining EXP.

I noticed this in the 2.0 systems and content PDF on the big announcement. I've tried searching to see if anyone has talked about this yet but i wasn't able to find anything.

I'm curious what this really means. If it means that we will no longer exp from mobs at all, or if there will maybe be some kind of combination of the two. I'm not really sure how I would feel if there wasn't anymore standard grinding on mobs type of thing. I mean it could be good, but I'm not sure if it could be done right.

What are your guy's thoughts on the subject?

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Jobs are a layer on top of the current "class" structure. no mater what label you put on the player, the weapon is what your gaining experience with. Savy?

From what I've read and interpreted from Yoshi..

You unlock the Job for your particular Class. That Job is the same level as your Class but you don't get all the skills for the Job. To get job based skills/abilities you need to complete the specific quests for that job.

Example: 50 Archer, after completing the quest pre-reqs you unlock Bard. The Bard is level 50, but you have maybe 1 skill / ability. To get more abilities you have to do quests. So essentially gaining levels as a Bard won't actually improve your ability set only your stats.

My guess is that you still can level up your Class/Job via Exp parties / dungeons / stronghold etc.. but to gain additional skills and abilities you will need to complete job specific quests. There might be a quest at every level, every two levels, who knows.

Questions:
Will you be able to use your class skills / abilities on your job?
Will you be able to use cross-class skills / abilities on your job?
How many quests are there for each Job?
Does your Job maintain the same level as the corresponding Class?

I like how people seem surprised about this when it was already mentioned months ago.

Jobs are a specialized addition to your class, therefore since you have the class at 50 there is no need to level the job, so instead you will quest for your abilities and such. I'd rather quest to expand the role of my job instead of mindless grinding.

Hmmm... I was also surprised to read this. I don't like the sounds of it, because it's one of those things that hasn't been tried and tested. And we all know what happens when SE tries to reinvent the wheel...

Long as the quests are challenging and engaging, I'm all for it.

I don't want it to be like something that just takes an evening to get everything.

all job's abilities are new and exclusive, thats the reason they will shine and be used more in parties and add uniqueness to the roles of each member .

classes are a collection of skills you get from leveling a weapon.
jobs are a role you can open (either a new role of play or a specific role for your class)

You will open your job at 30 via quest and obtain new skills and armor probably every 5 levels from there to enhance that role in gameplay.

This is absolutely the way this should be handled. Hell, I wish regular progression was handled in this fashion - it makes a lot more sense than just mindlessly learning new skills when you've whacked enough moles and dodo's.

It would be a lot more realistic if EVERY spell and WS was only unlockable via quest, once you've reached the requisite rank. It would really flesh out the individual guilds as well.

Also, why can't we have WS and other skills that are company-specific, that you can learn through company quests? The Ul'Dah Uppercut. Serpent's strike. Mael's fury. Could be cool. Work them into battle regimens as an extra powerful attack when you combine the same skills or all three different ones.

Again for the 1 milionth time you are not lvling jobs........

You are doing quests just for skills and gear.

If you want to lvl MNK guess what you have to do.... lvl pug... your pug IS your mnk. You gain exp on pug and mnk at the same time. They have stated this many a time.

I prefer on the current plan, because imagine you also need to level your Job, it will be another grindfest all over again, say one ambitious person have all the classes to 50, and they now need to level up Jobs to 50 ;_;. imagine if in future the max level is 99, and you have to level up all classes to 99 *AND* job to 99... that would be crazy =.="

I think they should just make it an advanced class (Where you level one job to 30 and can do quest to unlock all the advance jobs)...I wouldn't want to get my skills through ONLY questing and then when it comes time to use them in a party or battle have almost no experence using them because I've only had to do some quest to get it >.>;

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Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce

imagine if in future the max level is 99, and you have to level up all classes to 99 *AND* job to 99... that would be crazy =.="

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Not really. FFXI has 20 different battle classes, all of which go to level 99 (I think).

I think they are at 95 atm. I dropped out of the game at lv 90. But getting jobs leveled in that game is overly simplistic now. I wont go into it tho lol.

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Originally Posted by UmJammerSully

Not really. FFXI has 20 different battle classes, all of which go to level 99 (I think).

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Well good, i ain't playing that game! >:I

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Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce

Well good, i ain't playing that game! >:I

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OK fair enough. My point is that having all classes at max level shouldn't be something your average player needs to strive for, that should be exclusive to crazy people who spend 10 hours a day playing the game.

Overall this appears to be a pretty good idea. I look forward to seeing it in action. I guess i better get out there and start lving some more. I feel sad that my BTN is my highest job for some reason. CNJ is closest at 28.. lol

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Originally Posted by miqokini

Hmmm... I was also surprised to read this. I don't like the sounds of it, because it's one of those things that hasn't been tried and tested. And we all know what happens when SE tries to reinvent the wheel...

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They're not. Think of it like FFXI's WS quests. You're questing for your abilities and getting a nice background story from it, that's all. I'm looking forward to it.

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Originally Posted by UmJammerSully

Not really. FFXI has 20 different battle classes, all of which go to level 99 (I think).

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95 atm, on the way to 99, but not quite yet.