Red scrip Gear discussion?

I'm just going to come out and say what's on my mind. I spent the last 3 weeks actually obtaining red scrips for crafting gear. I noticed the only real 2 pieces worth anything are in fact the body and tools.

My biggest complaint I guess is that this gear is not ilvl200 (yet alone ilvl210) and the stats are not nearly as worth grabbing as say, a moderate meld of HQ chimerical gear (legs,arms,feet,head). You can get better results with 3 IV melds. All the time, money, and energy could have even been allocated into grabbing a meldable ilvl170 gear piece using red scrips some money (or gatherer, choose your poison).

Alot to be desired here, I honestly think they should atleast be ilvl200 if not meldable. I'm sure there has been threads already but I don't want to necro. I don't know, I just felt like saying something even though its probably already been said. Probably going to just stick to obtaining the mainhands and body pieces for now if I even choose to get them at all anymore.

You use your crafting red scripts with the gathering items to get the mats, then you can craft versions of the red script gear that are meldable.

I have the full 180 set of weaver and now even 2 stars are a piece of cake for me.

It all adds up and is a cheaper gearing path than getting 170s and melding them.

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Originally Posted by Alysanne

You use your crafting red scripts with the gathering items to get the mats, then you can craft versions of the red script gear that are meldable.

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this was the big issue for me, obtaining any of the redscrip gear was deemed pointless except the body and tools if you really want to blow that many red scrips anyway. However if they made them a slightly higher ilvl i might have reconsidered. Just sad i guess.

The main purpose of the i180 gear is to prepare for 3* crafts while avoiding grinding for favor items or the high cost of purchasing red scrip materials/favor items, but at the cost of slow progression. It's also a slow method of meeting the 2* requirements, but melded i150 gear is the better method, provided that you can afford the melds. If you can meet the minimum 2* craftsmanship/control requirements and have around 440 CP with food, you'll be able to handle 2* crafts fairly well.

The major downside to the i170 sets would be the time required to grind for favor items or cost to purchase materials, as well as the astronomical cost of melding them. From my experience, the cost of melding the i170 accessories alone is on par with all of the i150 melds combined.

I'm honestly still using a melded Chimerical Felt set. I felt like splitting crafters up to separate gear again is a step backward.

The HQ version of the i170 gear opens up alot of room for CP, even if you don't craft a HQ, it would still be better for the hands/arms/feet/legs slots just because of that. Even with just tier 3 materia advance melded after a Tier IV... it could have a better end result IMO. Yeah mats are ... out there but still better in the long run. Question really is how long before its outdated?

I see the use of the i180 gear but ultimately, it's just not worth it when redscrips can aid in getting you mats to make the 170 gear unless your in a hurry to get some ilvl80 gear or are using it to gear up some of your alt crafting classes. Arguably you could sell HQ items that you have been turning in to purchase some i170 gear off the MB or HQ mats to make your own instead of using the redscrips at all depending on what your selling and how much gil you can make in a day I suppose.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

I'm honestly still using a melded Chimerical Felt set. I felt like splitting crafters up to separate gear again is a step backward.

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I don't like it either, just trying to find a way to cope with it. Next update has new gear sets coming, even meldable ones... I remember reading it in the live letter anyway. There is a chance that a new crafting set will be released though I wont get my hopes up.

All else fails, I might just ignore redscrips all together and hold out with chimerical too.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

I'm honestly still using a melded Chimerical Felt set. I felt like splitting crafters up to separate gear again is a step backward.

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I think it makes a lot of sense, a culinarian or alchemist isn't going to wear the same stuff as a blacksmith or a carpenter ect...

The funny thing is the red scrip gear was the easy option compared to the crafted 170 until they nerfed the lvl 170 stuff.

Like everything in HW they want you to grind for little to no reward. Honestly red scrips have been terrible from day 1 and gearing up with them just takes forever unless you are willing to craft your gear (which you have to give up your gathering scrips to do too).

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Originally Posted by Whocareswhatmynameis

I think it makes a lot of sense, a culinarian or alchemist isn't going to wear the same stuff as a blacksmith or a carpenter ect...

The funny thing is the red scrip gear was the easy option compared to the crafted 170 until they nerfed the lvl 170 stuff.

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I get that they wanted to have different gear designs for each craft, but the least they could've done is left it so the top tier gear didn't need melding as well. After going to the Artisan set, it's ridiculous to go back to all separate melded sets. :/

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

I'm honestly still using a melded Chimerical Felt set. I felt like splitting crafters up to separate gear again is a step backward.

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Yep. The only way I'd replace my current set is with a fully melded set of the i170, and I'm not melding several sets of gear like that again...

They've really gotten things backwards here... Assuming we have to have the current system, I'd have gone for Red Scrips gear being far better than fully melded Chimerical, rather than almost about the same (bar a few pieces). Then rather than i170 effectively just being a copy of the Red Scrip stuff, it would be a copy of Chimerical, melds making it slightly stronger than Red Scrips. That's the way melds work, after all... It isn't particularly reasonable to meld multiple sets that are the same thing... If you're going to meld, you're going to meld something that can be used across all the classes, it's just a waste of Gil otherwise.

That said, if they're serious about Specialist recipes, then it's perhaps more feasible to meld three sets of i170 and just forget about the rest... Still would rather Specialists gain a boost to Craft/Control, and Specialist Recipes are instead just higher on the Craft/Control requirements, meaning Specialists get basically instant access to those recipes, while omnicrafters need to work on reaching those requirements... Really going to need Diadem to not be dead if I'm to ever consider melding i170 though, using that as a materia cash cow is the only way I'll ever bother with melds again at this point...

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Originally Posted by Whocareswhatmynameis

I think it makes a lot of sense, a culinarian or alchemist isn't going to wear the same stuff as a blacksmith or a carpenter ect...

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While it may make sense from a logical point of few from a gameplay point of view IMO it makes very little.

Again just my opinion on the topic.

I'm a casual crafter and after looking at the script system, my eyes glazed over and it reminded me of a quote that Yoshi had about the new dungeon when he was testing it. "I wanted a dungeon, not a raid", I feel the same way about the current crafting system. Walk 10,000 miles, climb a mountain, fight off barbarian hordes, and save a civilization.... all for a sub combine.

I'd say at the moment the problem is along the lines of

currently the generic chimerical felt set and hallowed chestnut accessories melded out with just the red scrip or favor weapon/offhand is more than enough to make literally everything with ease.

so with that your just making the specialized sets for future-proofing or glamour.
but then the question becomes "will they keep making the specialized sets easier and easier to get or add in a new better generic set by the time high stats are needed?"

it's just a bad spot, but the red scrip and favor weapons are very nice at the moment. It's just a matter of if you want to spend a lot of scrip per piece or very little scrip and then some money to materia them out

I really like the bonus stats for specialists idea. They could have done alot of stuff with specialist but in the end they gave us a few skills that cost way to much CP to be of any use unless your using "Heart of the ..." or just lucky with the good/excellent qualitys.

They really need to change the i180 gear to i200 to make it worth obtaining for anything other than the mainhand and body piece. It's already gated behind time anyway and its for specific crafts. A HQ i170 gear that is melded will still be the top tier gear even with the redscrip gear being ilvl200. So the people that already have it wouldn't be able to complain.

I don't particularly mind sets for specific crafting classes but if your going to do it, you need to make them very highly worth obtaining... Especially if they are not meldable and are gated behind time...

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Originally Posted by Andrea

While it may make sense from a logical point of few from a gameplay point of view IMO it makes very little.

Again just my opinion on the topic.

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lets give a shared gear set for all combat classes too.

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Originally Posted by Nihility

I'd say at the moment the problem is along the lines of

currently the generic chimerical felt set and hallowed chestnut accessories melded out with just the red scrip or favor weapon/offhand is more than enough to make literally everything with ease.

so with that your just making the specialized sets for future-proofing or glamour.
but then the question becomes "will they keep making the specialized sets easier and easier to get or add in a new better generic set by the time high stats are needed?"

it's just a bad spot, but the red scrip and favor weapons are very nice at the moment. It's just a matter of if you want to spend a lot of scrip per piece or very little scrip and then some money to materia them out

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In 2.0 the artisan sets came out in i think 2.5 if i remember correctly.... thats pretty much the end of the expansion lol. We will get a better idea what is needed if 3 star comes out in 3.2.

I would imagine these lvl 170/180 sets are for the whole expansion and maybe right at the end they will make an easier set.

I just recently started going after red scrips and it's about as tedious and unfun as I imagined it would be. A new main hand every 3 weeks? Ugh.

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Originally Posted by RyuSaarva

lets give a shared gear set for all combat classes too.

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Not the same thing there.

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Originally Posted by RyuSaarva

lets give a shared gear set for all combat classes too.

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Not the same thing, but it's worth noting that multiple combat classes do end up using some of the same gear up until Lv. 50-60 range, and even then, tanks/ranged DPS/healers still share the same gear until they end up using eso armor.

The point being in the case of crafters though, all of the crafters use the exact same stats, but there are eight crafter classes and the devs are expecting people to use their hard-earned weekly red scrips to get gear that's specific to each class. On average, it takes about 3-4 weeks to get enough red scrips for a main hand. To get a red scrip main hand for all 8 classes, you'd have to invest about 7 months for that. And none of that is even talking about the armor. It's for this reason that many say it'd be much faster and far more convenient to just use melded armor that can be used across all crafters at once.

(Incidentally, the gathering classes suffer from this as well, but there's only 3 gathering classes as opposed to 8 crafters, so the problem isn't as pronounced for them as it is for the crafting classes. The amount of red scrips needed to get gear is also exactly the same across gatherers and crafters as well, which is quite ridiculous. I think crafters should really have their red scrip gear costs cut by a third or something.)

It's rather poor design on top of the whole specialization debacle. The only real defining feature of specialization as of this moment is the fact that some crafts are locked behind them, as the exclusive actions you learn as a specialist are only highly situational at best. Many crafters I know don't even USE the specialization skills, so actually being specialized in one of the crafting classes actually doesn't make it any easier for you to craft stuff as your chosen crafters. The specialization lockouts and the heavy RNG nature of the specialization skills are precisely the reason why most crafters only see the specialization system as an excuse to limit players rather than actually expanding the crafting system in any meaningful way.

Indeed, several people in my FC actually have multiple capped crafting classes but haven't yet fully decided which three classes they want to specialize in, out of fear that they end up locking themselves out of something they want to try making in the future. For many crafters, specializing is just a matter of how much profit you can make out of recipes that are locked behind specializations - which is why most crafters pick Weaver as one of their three specialists, while there are incredibly low amounts of CRP and CUL specialists (at least from the looks of it in Sargatanas).

Specialization should have also provided bonuses like a default bonus to craftsmanship and control, higher meld rates (or -1 ingredient amount for recipes using multiples of the same ingredient for Culinarian specialists since they can't meld anything), and higher successful desynthesis rates/higher rates of getting better items from desynth.

I was under the impression that red script was designed as a casual alternative.
You sacrifice uber stats for not having to deal with favor system and dumping millions of your hard earned gil into the materia RNG slotmachine.

Considering the ease of getting it (like Esoterics it is mainly gated by subscription time not player effort) it makes sense for it to be inferior to the top end crafting stuff.

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Originally Posted by Granyala

I was under the impression that red script was designed as a casual alternative.
You sacrifice uber stats for not having to deal with favor system and dumping millions of your hard earned gil into the materia RNG slotmachine.

Considering the ease of getting it (like Esoterics it is mainly gated by subscription time not player effort) it makes sense for it to be inferior to the top end crafting stuff.

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Unless you meld ilvl 170, is better the ilvl 180, and you would need to meld all the 8 sets. You aren't sacrificing uber stats for not having to deal with favors. You are sacrificing being able to gear all your crafters for not having to deal with favors.

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Originally Posted by AlphaSonic

Unless you meld ilvl 170, is better the ilvl 180, and you would need to meld all the 8 sets. You aren't sacrificing uber stats for not having to deal with favors. You are sacrificing being able to gear all your crafters for not having to deal with favors.

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You are not making much sense here.

Melded ilvl 170 > ilvl 180.
You sacrifice stats in order to not having to deal with melds while getting enough to craft current 2*.

"Gearing all crafters" is not sacrificed. HQ170s don't fall from the sky and melding each set is prohibitively expensive.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

I'm honestly still using a melded Chimerical Felt set. I felt like splitting crafters up to separate gear again is a step backward.

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That's what I did. I penta melded the 150 set and matching accessories to hit the minimum needed for Master Book III stuff. I'm getting the main hands with red scrips.

SE tried to lock us into a handful of classes with the specialist roles, but a master crafter still needs to have their non-specialist jobs well geared if they want to be as self sufficient as possible.

Prolly going to get mainhand and body piece redscrip gear and use melded chimerical for now, save money and maybe craft some 170 stuff when able. Can't justify getting any of the other redscrip gear.