I've read an AST 60 guide (as much as is applicable to a 50) and follow everything in it. Been grinding trials/dungeons for my poetics for days and the role (on WHM/AST) is not getting any easier. Even 50's dungeons are confusing and headache-inducing, but nothing phases me on DPS.
Other than not spamming the biggest heals, dodging, predicting damage when possible, not staying in cleric stance too long, and not running out of MP, what am I missing here?
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01-10-2016, 06:30 AMFunkYeahDragonsGeneral healing guides/mindsets
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01-10-2016, 06:37 AMTatoRazzino
Healing is more stressful than DPSing, so maybe that's what's going on with you. There's too many variables to pay attention while healing, and as a DPS you're basically worrying about one or two things. Keep going until you get used to healing. You could try not DPSing at all as a healer until this confusion is gone, since stance dancing can add more stress to the role.
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01-10-2016, 07:08 AMFunkYeahDragonsStance dancing is the only enjoyable part of it, really. Otherwise I'll do nothing (not my best skill) for ~10 seconds until some massive spike damage takes someone down to ~25% or less. At least during pulls.Quote:
Originally Posted by TatoRazzino
Boss fights I find I already have no time for it except during long casts. -
01-10-2016, 07:36 AMRawrz
If you're keeping Apected Ben(Diurnal) up about 100% ( not prepull) and stacking aspected Helios before/during rough patches you should have plenty of time to DPS. Allot of being a healer is gauging how much damage a tank will take over the course of the next GCD.
If your healer gear is up to date and you are actively trying to DPS I think you're giving yourself too little credit. As your gear gets better the smoother it will feel on your healers. -
01-10-2016, 08:17 AMTatoRazzinoThere's the problem, then: you like the DPS part, not the healing one.Quote:
Originally Posted by FunkYeahDragons
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01-10-2016, 08:53 AMBeautifulNerf
I'm not sure why you're stressing out during the 50's dungeons. Maybe disable in game music, install the Free Youtube downloader, download "FFXIV OST Snowcloak Theme ( The Warrens )" from youtube, play it on repeat in the background, then try running those dungeons again?
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01-10-2016, 09:04 AMAlphaSonicSorry, but I don't agree with you. The problem is that healer job is terribly easy except in raid environment and some instances. That's why he probably finds entertaining DPS while healing, it adds another layer of complexity to the job.Quote:
Originally Posted by TatoRazzino
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01-10-2016, 09:06 AMRawrzStance dancing is part of the wonderful allure of healing in ffxiv. The feeling you get when you have achieved placing your DoTs and managing to keep your tank alive, (Combination of your Healing/DPS out aggroing all the other party members lol) is hard to beat. You are Madonna on her best days. xD (The GiF Thread is starting to get to me xD)Quote:
Originally Posted by TatoRazzino
Keep stance dancing. Push your limits. Carry those parties and stay sexy. : D <3 -
01-10-2016, 09:54 AMFunkYeahDragonsI'm probably a little stingy with my AOE heals/shields.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rawrz
Everything is just DPS with added functionality, really. Tanks are just DPS that take the focus off other DPS at the expense of their own DPS, so that others can DPS even more.Quote:
Originally Posted by TatoRazzino
I have no idea, either. Healing seems to be a clusterfuck of everything I do as DPS plus several more things and more people, which is where the beginnings of a headache come in. That's why I think it's more about my approach or theory. There just has to be an easier way.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeautifulNerf
Exactly. Like going from just having a basic rotation to weaving in all my off-GCDs per pull (and not flying off any platforms). No idea what the healer equivalent for gauging my own performance is, other than less huddling in the corner of the FC house under a pile of Paissa dolls.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rawrz
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01-10-2016, 09:55 AMTatoRazzinoI never said otherwise, but when a DPS player heals and finds relief in being able to DPS, the issues with the role become clear. He already said that he feels confused and that's head-ache inducing to heal, so maybe he has problems with healing because he doesn't enjoy healing. If you can only enjoy a job when you're dealing damage with it, it means you should be playing DPS instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaSonic
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01-10-2016, 10:00 AMTatoRazzinoThat's wrong in so many levels. A healer is not a DPSer who has to weave heals every other time. Dealing damage is accessory when playing your role, not the core aspect of it. The same is valid for tanks. Only bad tanks behave like DPSes that focus aggro. Tanking is about control and mitigation.Quote:
Originally Posted by FunkYeahDragons
Your problem is your approach, that puts DPS in the equation with the same weight as everything else. That's a DPS mindset, not a healer (or tank) mindset. -
01-10-2016, 10:48 AMFunkYeahDragonsMaybe I should have included the /s for clarity.Quote:
Originally Posted by TatoRazzino
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01-10-2016, 12:43 PMJudge_Xero
I think what you are finding is that if you have been playing a DPS class for a while your brain has to adjust to the randomness of healing. That is why it feels like a clusterfuck. You are not just popping skills in a rotational order.
Basically you just have to heal long enough to get different levels of healing experience which is not just something you can do on a Dummy. -
01-10-2016, 02:16 PMBeautifulNerf
"I have no idea, either. Healing seems to be a clusterfuck of everything I do as DPS plus several more things and more people, which is where the beginnings of a headache come in. That's why I think it's more about my approach or theory. There just has to be an easier way."
You're thinking to hard about it. Just break it down like this. Can you handle the (whatever) dungeon easily if you only focus on heals? If no. Is it because you're not familiar with (said) dungeons boss's/abilities? Is the tank pulling more than you're comfortable with (like training the entire floor)? Are you having occasional MP issues?- All of these things can be addressed and simply fixed. -
01-10-2016, 02:17 PMBeautifulNerf
If you answered yes to, "Can you handle (whatever) dungeon easily..." Then what is it that's causing you issues? The ability to quickly respond to main healing plus adding DD? If that's the issue. Maybe try DDing the first 25% of the dungeon (if that becomes too stressful), switch to main heals only, then switch back to applying DD the last 75% of the dungeon. Until you get comfortable enough to know when to DD, and if you can safely DD with that party (because some groups just suck).
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01-10-2016, 03:29 PMBroodingFicus
The thing with healing is, it isn't often about you. As DPS its all about your rotation and your job and nothing else. If you screw up, you blow a cool down. If you screw up again, you expect to be (hopefully) healed and once you know the fight that's pretty much it. You can maintain your rotation and dodge/complete mechanics and all is well. If the tank or healer screw up, it isn't on you. Healers are reactive so none of that applies. Knowing the dungeon is important not because it'll be easier to maintain a rotation but because it better equips you to focus on fixing the 'whoops' moments of not just yourself but of your party members as well. At the point when you are well geared and knowledgeable about the fights, ease of healing can still fluctuate wildly depending on the party. Everyone is well geared and dodging mechanics? Beautiful. Usually I can DPS some and never fear anyone is going to drop dead. That usually only happens in premades. I'd say 90% of the time there are under geared party members, people who don't know the fights, tanks who speed pull without using cool downs and all manner of tom foolery going on in DF. Your comfort in a dungeon is only half the battle. My advice if you are finding you get stressed out while healing is:
A. Watch for the new to dungeon messages. Yes sometimes its just someone on an alt but having someone who doesn't know the fights means you should be much more cautious about stance dancing in bosses until its clear they aren't about to eat floor and twice as ready to heal them.
B. Examine party members. Especially watch casters that are barely the correct item level. Like you, they can't take as many hits so its nice to be aware of who might need a bit more attention if a massive hit is incoming. There are times I'll use eye for an eye on these sort of people instead of the Tank if I don't think they can survive.
C. On the same sort of note, if you notice a DPS is prone to standing in nasty orange markers be conscious of that fact and in dodge heavy sections, tag them with more HoT's/shields etc.
D. Wait a few pulls to start stance dancing unless you're running with friends you can count on (or who will laugh if you all drop dead). One pull at least gives you the opportunity to settle in and gauge how much damage your tank can take, how good he/she is at utilizing cool downs and the average DPS for the party which could effect how you need to manage you MP. During the first pull I'll sometimes cap a tank off and then start counting and see how many seconds they take to drop to half. Do that a few times and it'll tell you if you have time to DPS. If you notice during that first pull that it takes a lot longer than usual for DPS to kill things and your MP slipped sorta low, you know DPS might be harder because MP conservation is going to be more important.
Long story short, it takes a lot of watching and being ready to react. You may not always have the opportunity to DPS and it isn't always going to be because of anything you've done wrong or because your comfort level isn't at 100% yet. My WHM is item level 203 and I've run Void Ark over and over but I didn't enter cleric stance once in my run today because my co-healer was only on her 2nd run of the place and clearly still having a lot of trouble with mechanics. It'll happen no matter how good you are personally. I feel like to enjoy healer to its greatest potential you have to have a bit of that masochist in you that clicks 'join in progress' for low level roulette even when you don't need it just in the hopes that you can pull a win out of a hopeless situation and look like a magician. -
01-10-2016, 04:51 PMBeautifulNerf
I love you Broodingfocus. Very articulate and correct. +1 on your comment.
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01-10-2016, 05:39 PMSeoulstarI'm going to disagree and say no..it's not terribly easy. Constantly having to adjust to whatever situation happens isn't really a walk in the park. You can have a dungeon where you can dps your heart out as a healer. Then you can have a dungeon where you're throwing everything you have to keep the party alive. You can't really afford to screw up as a healer either. If you do, you have quite a scary chance of wiping the party as well. But if that's what you call being terribly easy, then I guess everyone has their own opinions.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaSonic
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01-10-2016, 08:38 PMAlphaSonicI should correct my statement. Healing is terribly easy when everyone is doing their job and dodging, using appropiate cooldowns or doing mechanics correctly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seoulstar
But seriously if the run is going that wrong that you are about to wipe, maybe you should stop for a second and tell your other party mates, that they could at least dodge AoEs or try to do mechanics and if they are new try to explain the dungeon/trial so they don't wipe because they didn't know what to do.
And as a healer i'm going to try not to wipe the party, but if it happens because the others didn't do their job, Is Not My Fault. -
01-10-2016, 08:52 PMRagologyNO. If people are taking excessive damage and you cant heal them through it then YOU need to get better at your job. Healers are there to provide unlimited hp to the party. Do your job. nub.Quote:
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01-11-2016, 05:30 AMRawrzQuote:
Originally Posted by Ragology
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01-11-2016, 06:20 AMAlphaSonicIt was sarcasm. I even got it xD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rawrz
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01-11-2016, 03:58 PMBeautifulNerf
This thread is amazing. <3 Do I smell a meme war?
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01-13-2016, 04:14 AMJenniLeFur
To briefly get us back on topic: Have you considered rolling a SCH? I have no experience on WHM as I only got it high enough to get stoneskin/the unicorn, but compared to AST, I find it much easier to stancedance in level 50 dungeons on my SCH. You have your little fairy healbot taking care of things while you dps, or dealing with the dps that stood in shit just as you really really need to get that tank back up from getting his face chewed off. Since their skills are unaffected by cleric stance, you can have them on obey and almost literally do two jobs at once. (I.E Have the fairy cast a singletarget heal/group heal while you finish your dps cast.) You also get a handy 'oops I waited too long to switch cleric's off' button at 50, which makes the 50 dungeons a lot easier.
Of course, my AST is only 52, so I don't know about stancedancing at 60, but I suppose that's not entirely relevant at the moment anyway. -
01-13-2016, 05:35 AMbardaboo
Yeah. With astro and whm your job gets harder depending on tank gear and CD usage. Sch doesn't depend on that so much, thus making it easier to dps