Get rid of vote abandon

I just had a Void Ark group vote abandon after 1 single wipe because 5 people left. Rather then wait to refill they voted to abandon wasting my time and that of those who hit no.

I recommend that they just flat out remove the penalty from leaving a duty in progress if one boss is dead and remove vote abandon from the game.

I would rather be inconvenienced by people leaving on their own than be FORCED to quit the duty I signed up for just because some others want to quit.

I don't want to be held hostage by bad groups, and trust me when I say it happens a whole heck of a lot more than most people think. I got set back an entire day because of terrible a4 runs for my last 10 items for Relic. The players would rather dps and ignore orbs than actually get the orbs or pull dolls off healers. Sorry, but not sorry. Maybe increase the timer in raids to 30 minutes, but absolutely leave everything else the same.

Sorry OP, this was a group vote and you happen to be in the minority vote.

What SE should do, is create a "Drop from Duty" log. The more times you do it or get vote kick'd, the harsher your drop penalty becomes. Make it so that completing duties, lowers that penalty buff.

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Originally Posted by Laerad3993

I don't want to be held hostage by bad groups, and trust me when I say it happens a whole heck of a lot more than most people think. I got set back an entire day because of terrible a4 runs for my last 10 items for Relic. The players would rather dps and ignore orbs than actually get the orbs or pull dolls off healers. Sorry, but not sorry. Maybe increase the timer in raids to 30 minutes, but absolutely leave everything else the same.

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Then leave. I'm recommending they just get rid of the penalty after 1 boss is down for leaving. Seriously this is the only game that I have played that has vote abandon. It's incredibly selfish to force the people who want to keep going to quit just because you wanna rage quit after 1 wipe.

Kinda going hand in hand with this could we also get it to where if people join in progress it won't let them leave for at LEAST 2 minutes? The number of times that a party would have been full again in the space of a minute if not for people leaving as soon as they pop in is ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by FallenArisen0990

Sorry OP, this was a group vote and you happen to be in the minority vote.

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And why can't they just friggin leave then? Why force the others who want to play the game to quit? Get rid of the penalty and this wouldn't be a problem.

On a sidenote I find your image at the very bottom very distracting.

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Originally Posted by Xanikk999

I just had a Void Ark group vote abandon after 1 single wipe because 5 people left. Rather then wait to refill they voted to abandon wasting my time and that of those who hit no.

I recommend that they just flat out remove the penalty from leaving a duty in progress if one boss is dead and remove vote abandon from the game.

I would rather be inconvenienced by people leaving on their own than be FORCED to quit the duty I signed up for just because some others want to quit.

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If one person has left and their spot remains unfilled, others can exit without the penalty anyway (but if the 'finding members' thing disappears as you exit, you'll still get one)... I don't really understand the purpose of vote abandon unless it's a full group. I guess it prevents people from in progress queueing into an empty instance and wasting time, but that's about it.

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Originally Posted by FallenArisen0990

Sorry OP, this was a group vote and you happen to be in the minority vote.

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Unless something has changed, it only takes 50%, which is not a majority. I know 4-man and 8-man stuff only takes half of the people voting yes.

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Originally Posted by Xanikk999

Then leave. I'm recommending they just get rid of the penalty after 1 boss is down for leaving. Seriously this is the only game that I have played that has vote abandon. It's incredibly selfish to force the people who want to keep going to quit just because you wanna rage quit after 1 wipe.

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Or. You could leave. It's also just as selfish to hold people hostage because you don't want to re-queue. Not everyone spams abandon, and quite frankly if enough voted for it, might as well learn to deal with it. People don't want to be stuck with people who don't try or don't care.

Remove the 30 minute penalty for leaving a duty then. I don't want to be held against my will by incompetent players that duty finder chose for me and get punished for it.

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Originally Posted by ReddAxel

Remove the 30 minute penalty for leaving a duty then. I don't want to be held against my will by incompetent players that duty finder chose for me and get punished for it.

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And thus we'll go right back to 2.0 where people leave and join all the time. 30 minutes isn't going to kill anybody.

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Originally Posted by Laerad3993

Or. You could leave. It's also just as selfish to hold people hostage because you don't want to re-queue. Not everyone spams abandon, and quite frankly if enough voted for it, might as well learn to deal with it. People don't want to be stuck with people who don't try or don't care.

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Not really. I signed up for the duty to do it. If you want to leave early that should be on you.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

And thus we'll go right back to 2.0 where people leave and join all the time. 30 minutes isn't going to kill anybody.

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Or they could do what world of warcraft does and fill the group up at one time. What I mean by that is if you are waiting on 4 people to join, don't have them join one at a time, only have their queue pop when the system finds 4 people.

In wow which has a similar dungeon finder and raid finder similar to FFXIV the way they do it is. If you leave a dungeon/raid before the first boss is killed or less then 15 min have passed you get a 30 min lockout out. If 15 min has passed or the first boss has been killed you can just leave without penalty.

Honestly that does seem to work better then the whole vote abandon thing, cause people who don't like the group can leave people who want to stay and stick it out with new people can stay.

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Originally Posted by Xanikk999

Not really. I signed up for the duty to do it. If you want to leave early that should be on you.

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No, from what you've posted, what it sounds like is that you want the system crafted and catered to your liking, your benefit only. I hear more people complain about being held hostage, than vote abandon spam.

I'd rather they just increase the timer for raids and leave everything else the same. I shouldn't have to take a 30 minute timer, or be stuck with terrible players, all for the sake of you getting what you want from a raid, and neither should anyone else. Lol.

I can throw the 30m timer thing right back at you, so I'd prefer it just be left out because it's a ridiculous argument.

I'm sorry to be rude, but why even make this topic? It's been done before and you know where it's going to go.

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Originally Posted by Laerad3993

No, from what you've posted, what it sounds like is that you want the system crafted and catered to your liking, your benefit only. I hear more people complain about being held hostage, than vote abandon spam.

I'd rather they just increase the timer for raids and leave everything else the same. I shouldn't have to take a 30 minute timer, or be stuck with terrible players, all for the sake of you getting what you want from a raid, and neither should anyone else. Lol.

I can throw the 30m timer thing right back at you, so I'd prefer it just be left out because it's a ridiculous argument.

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And I offered a suggestion so people wouldn't be stuck with bad groups. Also terrible players? Hardly it was one wipe because of new players. You sound incredibly selfish with each post you make.

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Originally Posted by Xanikk999

And I offered a suggestion so people wouldn't be stuck with bad groups. Also terrible players? Hardly it was one wipe because of new players. You sound incredibly selfish with each post you make.

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I'm selfish for not wanting a timer because bad or troll players refuse to abandon?

You're not by wanting the entire system reworked?

By terrible players, I mean what I consider terrible. Almost ways it's trolls. It happens daily. I had a BLM that continuously kept popping into DF A4 and would purposely run into the healers to get Nesi or wtfe that skill is, and drag it to the rest of the raid. That's terrible. I don't want to be stuck with that. New players are just that, new. I'm doubtful people want to spam abandon because someone says they are new. Yeah it happened a whole heck of a lot before HW but I never see it anymore. Heck, I had a BRD that I've gotten a few times that had a macro set up to alert the group he was handicapped and only played with 1 hand, and that if the group wanted to kick him they could after the timer was ready. Not one group did.

The system works, and is in place for a reason. I do not think it should be removed. I'm done.

You do know that if people could just leave, odds are you'd lose a large portion of the raid after the people got their items or the item they wanted from said boss didn't drop, right? Lol.

Okay.

I vote we abandon this idea.

If vote abandon passes kick all the people who voted yes out and leave the ones that voted no in the party. The people who voted no can then choose if they want to leave based on the amount of people remaining and refills.

The people who want to leave can leave, the people that don't want to leave can stay in the group.

WoW is sorta similar but everyone is in progress checked automatically so it handles leavers more easily than FFXIV's volunteer option.

Can't make everyone happy. Vote abandon should be in the game, it is more often used in hopeless situations than when people abuse it. That said, there still should be some sort of penalty for using it when X amount of time hasn't passed or something. Will help deter people from doing immediate vote abandons on one wipe.

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Originally Posted by Vaer

If vote abandon passes kick all the people who voted yes out and leave the ones that voted no in the party. The people who voted no can then choose if they want to leave based on the amount of people remaining and refills.

The people who want to leave can leave, the people that don't want to leave can stay in the group.

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I'd be fine with this.

I'd agree with it, with it being Void I would assume it would refill fairly fast.

If half or more of your group want to leave, does it really matter if they leave duty or vote abandon? At that point, the chances of your group refilling at all, much less quicker than it would be to requeue and get back to where you were, are minimal, at best. Most people going into an 8 or 24 man and seeing half or more of the players missing are just going to immediately leave, writing it off and preferring to just queue fresh, rather than wait.

Either way the duty is effectively dead, so who cares how it happens?

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Originally Posted by Xanikk999

I recommend that they just flat out remove the penalty from leaving a duty in progress if one boss is dead and remove vote abandon from the game.

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That is an absolute terrible idea. Already many people leave Void Ark, which was your example area, if a boss doesn't drop the piece they want. If they can leave without penalty, you'd see a lot more of this happen.

I can relate to Op, this days people have extremely low tolerance to failure, a single wipe and a guy starts a vote abandon, once in Garuda EX with like 5 new players, we wiped and a vote abandom popped up. I mean, if you feel that superior that everybody else sucks, go ahead and leave, let the player who wants things done stay and try harder.

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Originally Posted by Laerad3993

Or. You could leave. It's also just as selfish to hold people hostage because you don't want to re-queue. Not everyone spams abandon, and quite frankly if enough voted for it, might as well learn to deal with it. People don't want to be stuck with people who don't try or don't care.

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This makes no sense. As long as your party isn't full there is NO penalty for leaving. In this case the OP's group had lost 5 people already so the abandon was completely pointless since anyone else that wanted to leave could do so with no penalty.

IMO a vote abandon should only be possible to initiate in a FULL group. Anything less than that and it offers no real use for those that want to leave whilst those that want to stay are unfairly removed from the instance.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

This makes no sense. As long as your party isn't full there is NO penalty for leaving. In this case the OP's group had lost 5 people already so the abandon was completely pointless since anyone else that wanted to leave could do so with no penalty.

IMO a vote abandon should only be possible to initiate in a FULL group. Anything less than that and it offers no real use for those that want to leave whilst those that want to stay are unfairly removed from the instance.

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It does absolutely make sense. The OP wants it removed period. Therefore, my post is completely relevant. I don't care about this one instance where they/he/she could have just left and requeued.

I really hate when Void Ark takes me 20+ minutes to get in, then when I get joined in progress, and they are on Chuchu, there's a vote to abandon...

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Originally Posted by Laerad3993

It does absolutely make sense. The OP wants it removed period. Therefore, my post is completely relevant. I don't care about this one instance where they/he/she could have just left and requeued.

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The reasons you give in your argument make no sense in the context of the OP's situation though. Disagreeing with their suggestion does not oblige you to insult them as selfish when realistically nothing was holding those players in the instance.

I fully agree that we need the vote abandon feature. Like the votekick it was added out of necessity due to trolls, leechers and otherwise abusive players needing to be dealt with somehow. In THIS case, however, there was genuinely no reason for the vote abandon to be used.

And so the XIV feature cycle continues...
Community: We want a feature to help with the problem of people leaving content before it's finished!
Devs: Okay, here's a penalty for anyone who leaves a duty before is completed.
Community: Now we're stuck until time runs out on a fight because we can't beat it but we can't leave due to the penalty!
Devs: Okay, here's an option for the group to vote to abandon the content after a certain amount of time has passed.
Community: Now people don't finish dungeons and just vote abandon when they get their stuff!
Devs: ...

It's really rather vicious. We ask for something to curb what people thing is "abusive" behavior, the devs give us something, that gets abused in some other way and we complain again... No matter what the devs do, someone will figure a way to abuse the system to their benefit workout caring about anyone else and others still will use them to troll.

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Originally Posted by Xanikk999

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Know what would be extremely awesome that I just thought about? An "Excuse Player" option. for those without patience or have an emergency at home, they can activate this in place of the vote abandon button (maybe next to it idk), which would excuse that one player from the duty. Activating it would give players the choice of allowing the player to be excused. And before you talk about hostage holding, each time you deny a player from being excused, your penalty would increase by 30 mins for the next lockout. How's that sound : o

Sometime Duty Finder shucks, like player never greet each other.

Then at last boss, because we failed so many times, they vote dismiss without even vote or warn someone.

This is pretty annoying.

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Originally Posted by Kurogaea

Know what would be extremely awesome that I just thought about? An "Excuse Player" option. for those without patience or have an emergency at home, they can activate this in place of the vote abandon button (maybe next to it idk), which would excuse that one player from the duty. Activating it would give players the choice of allowing the player to be excused. And before you talk about hostage holding, each time you deny a player from being excused, your penalty would increase by 30 mins for the next lockout. How's that sound : o

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Actually nvm about the penalty. give the penalty to the one being excuse by limiting their excuses by 3 a day. that way they can't troll people as much.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

Disagreeing with their suggestion does not oblige you to insult them as selfish when realistically nothing was holding those players in the instance.

I fully agree that we need the vote abandon feature. Like the votekick it was added out of necessity due to trolls, leechers and otherwise abusive players needing to be dealt with somehow. In THIS case, however, there was genuinely no reason for the vote abandon to be used.

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Please get your facts straight. They "insulted" me by calling ME selfish. I said that I am nowhere more selfish in my thoughts than them wanting the system reworked. Don't try and brand me as the villain by manipulating my words and their context. Lol.

Back on topic though, it is incredibly selfish to lock players in a run or raid because the OP doesn't want people leaving after wipes. They shouldn't have to take a penalty because of some troll or baddie. I'm not talking about the OP's situation anymore, I am talking about the ramifications of Vote Abandon being removed as they want.

@TC: Yeah, no. Leave Vote Abandon in. I'd rather deal with its evils than not have it and be stuck with how things were back in 2.0. Better idea than asking for a removal, ask for a rework like the guy below did, his idea is good and we don't have to remove a needed feature.

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Originally Posted by Vaer

If vote abandon passes kick all the people who voted yes out and leave the ones that voted no in the party. The people who voted no can then choose if they want to leave based on the amount of people remaining and refills.

The people who want to leave can leave, the people that don't want to leave can stay in the group.

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Originally Posted by Laerad3993

Please get your facts straight. They "insulted" me by calling ME selfish. I said that I am nowhere more selfish in my thoughts than them wanting the system reworked. Don't try and brand me as the villain by manipulating my words and their context. Lol.

Back on topic though, it is incredibly selfish to lock players in a run or raid because the OP doesn't want people leaving after wipes. They shouldn't have to take a penalty because of some troll or baddie. I'm not talking about the OP's situation anymore, I am talking about the ramifications of Vote Abandon being removed as they want.

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I didn't brand anyone the villain. You're both insulting each other over a difference of perspective. In reality, in any situation where a vote abandon isn't unanimous someone's time is being wasted so each side of that vote will call the other selfish. It's inevitable.

The OP gave context to their argument. If you are ignoring that context to mount a rebuttal then you're not arguing the same point. Whilst the OP's suggestion is ill thought out they are justified in being frustrated by the improper use of the function. We've already seen a number of suggestions for improvements of the system in this thread so telling the OP to just suck it up (as your initial response does) is clearly unnecessary.

Rather than arguing why the system shouldn't be removed we would be better served by discussing how it could be improved.

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Originally Posted by Laerad3993

Please get your facts straight. They "insulted" me by calling ME selfish. I said that I am nowhere more selfish in my thoughts than them wanting the system reworked. Don't try and brand me as the villain by manipulating my words and their context. Lol.

Back on topic though, it is incredibly selfish to lock players in a run or raid because the OP doesn't want people leaving after wipes. They shouldn't have to take a penalty because of some troll or baddie. I'm not talking about the OP's situation anymore, I am talking about the ramifications of Vote Abandon being removed as they want.

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the thing though nobody locks anyone behind anything, you want to leave you always have the option to leave, why would you vote abandon because YOU want to leave ?...press leave button and go..of course you have the penalty, but that is a choice you made in the first place to leave penalizing the group by your decision is fair you take some of the blame so yes in a way is selfish to want others to vote abandon because you want to go.

I agree with op though, remove the vote abandon same as kick option and each is grown up enough to leave....in this context remove equally the penalty altogether for the first three times you leave an instance and THEN apply an hour or two of being forbidden to enter any kind of trials and dungeons. seems pretty normal to me.

Please add a feature so that we know if we're being vote dismissed.

Vote abandon should be disabled when the party isn't full, because people can leave without penalty.

Additionally, vote abandon shouldn't kick out everyone. It should simply remove the penalty for leaving and ask everyone if they would like to leave. Those who choose 'no' would stay in the instance. It should require at least 50% of votes to remove the leaving penalty.

I'm not sure. Is there a penalty for leaving a group when someone has already left? I've sat in a dungeon for 20 mins waiting for a replacement healers before now and in the end the group just decided to Vote Abandon rather than just have people leave piecemeal and some poor sod dps who had been in the queue for 14 mins find themselves in a group that was going no where. Frankly there aren't enough people who tick the 'join group in progress' box.

Removing Group Abandon at the moment will probably mean sitting around for a lot waiting for your group to refill with people continually bailing cause half an hour penalty before joining again is better than sitting around for half an hour for new players.