Instead of chemist job, what about adding chemist innate ability to Machinist in futu

When I see Engineer in Guidwars 2, I think alchemy ability are fit with machine user theme who use alchemy as part of their gadgets. Some machinist in FF such as Edgar from FF6 and Item Shooter from FFX-2 (EN called them Alchemist but Their look are far from it. It resemble Albhed's machinist more than alchemist) have specialize in using item too. What do you think about adding chemist ability to Machinist instead of develop new job in future.

And add more temporary buff song to Bard same as Warden's Paean as counterpart of MCH's alchemy skill (with more useful like Feywind, Mantra, or Battle Litany. I'm fine with casting time limitation but please change to short time party buff like old BRD in past series pls.)

It would be an expensive job, if the patymember expect them to throw potions like Chemist in FF T.

For Chemist I've always had two ideas;

Thief + Chemist. Steal can effectively get us around the whole consumable cost, either by making a Job which actually creates wealth (thus offsetting the cost of potions), or (more likely) by removing consumables completely; You Steal off an enemy, get a special temporary item/status effect. Then you get Mix, which takes that special temporary item/status effect to make something new. Similar to how Mudra turns into various skills when you "mix" them, Steal would turn into Use. You can Steal multiple items (which stack up as temporary items or status effects) but only use one. Then you unlock Mix and can combine them. Actually that is probably closer to Astrologian than Ninja; Swap Draw for Steal, and Royal Road for Mix.

Jobs which require crafts to unlock. Just like you need Rogue and Pugilist to unlock Ninja, you'd need Rogue and Alchemist to unlock Chemist. Since you'd have Alchemist leveled, it is reasonable to assume you can craft your own consumables. Similar concept works for something like Ranger and consumable arrows; Woodworking + Archer.

Having Machinist focus more on gadgets for buffs (and focus more on Songs with Bard) also works nicely though, though I find that to be more of an Engineer type role than Chemist.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

Jobs which require crafts to unlock. Just like you need Rogue and Pugilist to unlock Ninja, you'd need Rogue and Alchemist to unlock Chemist. Since you'd have Alchemist leveled, it is reasonable to assume you can craft your own consumables. Similar concept works for something like Ranger and consumable arrows; Woodworking + Archer.

Having Machinist focus more on gadgets for buffs (and focus more on Songs with Bard) also works nicely though, though I find that to be more of an Engineer type role than Chemist.

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I actually really like the idea of crafting to unlock consumables classes. They still need the skills from the sub classes though. Alot of utility classes can be added if this ever happened. Im still on the fence about no actual support job due to the trinity though. They would be limited cause of it utility wise.

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Originally Posted by Mycow8me

I actually really like the idea of crafting to unlock consumables classes. They still need the skills from the sub classes though.

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I suppose it would be best to have Alchemist as the base class, and, for example, Rogue and Lancer as the subclasses, then just have the Jobs native skill set essentially work the same as Dark Knight/Machinist/Astrologian, since Alchemist obviously lacks combat skills. Would be nice to see skills similar to Scavenge in XI, which Ranger used to gather some crafting materials to make required consumables, but was later changed to just return an amount of used consumables.

The problem I see is despite how much sense it would make to have Alchemy included, you'd be forcing people to take on a crafting class just to make a battle class more viable and it could get quite expensive. I think Archer/Bard back in 1.0 required players to buy their own arrows or something like that and I don't think a similar mechanic for Chemist would sit well with people today. Even if people didn't have a problem with it, some might want to have other crafting classes involved for other jobs and that would be a mess in itself.

Actually the point of forcing it was to lower cost of the class. When i played ffxi, i made shihei, bolts, and arrows for LS members just to curb their costs. It was common to hear complaints about buying it from the marketboard. By forcing you to lvl it the class should be much more cost efficient.
Actually it could cost nothing farming your own mats too. The thing about these classes was you get out of them what you put into them.

im just gonna put this here
http://www.finalfantasykingdom.net/x2/ffx2chemist.gif
Alchemist job from 10-2 would need a name change obviously but would work well as a basis

I created a chemist job that I think has a good idea for how impliment the traditional mix ability. Basically, it acts as a combination of mudras and aetherflow, with the mudras being the mixing items, I called them vitamins, minerals and toxins, and the mix command bing like Ninjutsu, but there wouod be no time limit on the "item" unlike mudras. And aince the items would have a limited quantity, the aetherflow skill would refresh the "stash". I have a link in my signature. Ive been meaning to update it for to level 60, but for the most part the idea is still sound.

SE added shiheis to npc (a way to fixate the prices too ) , dont remember if arrows were added ....but yeah it sucked... same goes for that "other game" that forced classes to buy itesm from npcs in order to cast buffs ......or rogue poisons + some plant to make powder for vansih....it was just a pain in the rear ....and removed because added nothing to gameplay and just frustrated the playerbase.

some games still keep this , and force X jobs to take Y craft in order to be "equal" to others classes that dont need to farm or craft anything....

There's nothing stopping them implementing Chemist with skills that simulate the effects of potions and such without actually consuming any items. Everyone always seems to fixate on the item consumption aspect of that job without considering alternatives.

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Originally Posted by RubyCirha

im just gonna put this here
http://www.finalfantasykingdom.net/x2/ffx2chemist.gif
Alchemist job from 10-2 would need a name change obviously but would work well as a basis

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That's the healer class I wanted back when we were speculating for Heavensward. Some long range non-magic attack capability, and quickly throwing out job potions to allies. And by job potions, I'm talking the equivalent of the Hidden potions they used in FFX-2. They were potions that were not used from the inventory, they were pulled outta nowhere.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

There's nothing stopping them implementing Chemist with skills that simulate the effects of potions and such without actually consuming any items. Everyone always seems to fixate on the item consumption aspect of that job without considering alternatives.

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Exactly, I see no reason it would have to use actual mats.

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

SE added shiheis to npc (a way to fixate the prices too ) , dont remember if arrows were added ....but yeah it sucked... same goes for that "other game" that forced classes to buy itesm from npcs in order to cast buffs ......or rogue poisons + some plant to make powder for vansih....it was just a pain in the rear ....and removed because added nothing to gameplay and just frustrated the playerbase.

some games still keep this , and force X jobs to take Y craft in order to be "equal" to others classes that dont need to farm or craft anything....

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Trying to find an engineer to make mammoth cutters/shatter rounds or saronite/ice arrows, never again. And that inherently came with the problem of having less bag space since one of your 4 bag slots was dedicated to quivers/ammo pouch (which actually categorized what it could hold...). And every single shot, including abilties used up ammo.

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

Trying to find an engineer to make mammoth cutters/shatter rounds or saronite/ice arrows, never again. And that inherently came with the problem of having less bag space since one of your 4 bag slots was dedicated to quivers/ammo pouch (which actually categorized what it could hold...). And every single shot, including abilties used up ammo.

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yeah, i played lock main so i know the pain 1 bag dedicated to soul shards....at least i didnt had to pay for it / needed crafting for high lvl souls :p

I can actually see them making a chemist someday. Maybe make it somewhat similar to NIN's mudra system wherein you have to combine different things for ___ ability. Each "mudra" will be an item

Cleric stance will make the the combos attack-based while when it's off they could be support-based

We'll never have a system where you'll need to use items for jobs, but instead of that they could just be cooldowns.

This way it'll be similar to the classic Chemist, but won't require in-game items since the current system don't allow for it.

The Astro class is already the chemist that was "re-skinned to thematically fit in with the heavensward ishgard theme"
they already said so

just look at all the card skills and imagine them instead as mixing concoctions from randomly found materials

If they did add the chemist ability with machinist I may just lvl my machinist just for that lol. I'd still prefer separate classes for more diversity, but I wouldn't mind this. Unless they do the same with dancer, then there's a problem -_-

Alchemist should be a combat job on its own. Like the Atelier series where alchemists fight with bombs, potions, and homunculus (another pet job),

If Chemist is implemented, obviously its heals (potions and such) will be abilities, not consumables from your inventory.

You can easily add mixing in without the unnecessary inventory management, it would only deter people from the class and would be a bad move.

Lets have them balance the current set of healers before we add any-more I say, that said, I would be all for Chemist, weapons could easily be hand bombs or a small flintlock or something.