Eliminate materia subtiers!

Materia is great. Materia is beautiful. And it glows in the dark.

But why the hell do we need 7 subtiers for each of the 4 tiers of materia?
Why is there IV materia with stats +13, +14,+15, +16, +17, +18, +19 and +20?

Not only does it take away inventory space, it also is pretty annoying to double-check
every seller for the exact value sold (because not everybody uses the last-digit-markers,
and some try to scam).

First they do away with +1 and +2 drops because they clutter up the inventory, and the
next day they intoduce a gazillion of materia that doen't stack and is an inconvenience
to sort through.

Strange logic >.>

I am pretty happy about materia per se (although it is a tad overpowered), but would be
very happy to have the variation toned down to a more manageable level... :o

Agreed, there is already a thread regarding this though.

I already made a topic about this but I agree completely. It makes absolutely no sense to have tiers within tiers like this. It's incredibly annoying both from a logistics and a character development perspective and for the life of me I cannot figure out why they decided to make it like this. You'd think the "default idea" is to have standardized materia and somebody had to actually suggest to further divide them. What was his/her/its reasoning I can never figure out on my own. It boggles the mind.

just curious: wouldn't the materia take up space regardless? I didn't think it was meant to stack...

The upside to this is that even within the tier, the lower quality Materia offer a higher chance for Melding. Say a Tier IV +20 will have a 17% chance, then a Tier IV +13 will have a 22% chance, you get less +4 but you gain +5% chance upon Melding.

It's pretty obvious to me why they do this, to make an endless grind for the "ultimate gear" as far as min-maxers are concerned. If every touch of rage IV was the best touch of rage IV it would take less time, grind parties for materia and broken forbidden gear to get the "best of the best"
It creates a near endless grind to get super maxed out gear which keeps crafters relevant.

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It's pretty obvious to me why they do this, to make an endless grind for the "ultimate gear" as far as min-maxers are concerned.

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Understandable, yes. But not funny when it makes storing, searching and retrieving a nightmare.

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Originally Posted by Rinsui

Understandable, yes. But not funny when it makes storing, searching and retrieving a nightmare.

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then the problem is in storing searching and retrieving, i think the sub tiers make materia workable, because you can make a lot, if it was only 4 per stat. I think they said they are going to alter market wards, item search for more info, and as far as not stacking, i think they did that to make sure they circulate, either use it, sell it or get rid of it, is what they were going for.

rather than do away with the subtiers... perhaps materia having it's own tab, like crystals do, would be more appropriate. I mean, materia is just another type of crystal right? and i can carry thousands of those.

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Originally Posted by TessaJalloh

rather than do away with the subtiers... perhaps materia having it's own tab, like crystals do, would be more appropriate. I mean, materia is just another type of crystal right? and i can carry thousands of those.

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It's not a matter of storage space. We have a million inventory slots now. The problem is that the whole subtier system makes absolutely no sense. Why make it more complicated than is necessary? Charismatic raises the point that they made subtiers despite the numerous problems it causes because they wanted to, no matter the cost, make min-maxing an impossible grind.

Personally, the thought of paying a large amount of gil for a piece of non-optimal materia only to have it suddenly become obsolete when an optimal one appears on the wards sickens me and it annoys me to no end that SE tries to push me in this direction.

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How about a NQ and HQ version for each tier as an alternative to removing subtiers completely. It simplifies the system while still giving players something superior to work towards.

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Originally Posted by Invalice_Vangaurd

How about a NQ and HQ version for each tier as an alternative to removing subtiers completely. It simplifies the system while still giving players something superior to work towards.

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How about just changing the sub-tiers to main tiers.

Granted you will have probably 16-20 Tiers of materia but at least you can stack the same types and know which are the highest in that archetype.

We have a million inventory slots temporarily, and then supposedly everything major is getting branched off into its own sub-inventories. Still, I couldn't agree more, there are too many iterations of each materia type. And really, who's going to bother slotting Hp/Mp+5 when the same materia type gives Hp/Mp+10? Just give us one or two iteration per type and tier that's optimal.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

How about just changing the sub-tiers to main tiers.

Granted you will have probably 16-20 Tiers of materia but at least you can stack the same types and know which are the highest in that archetype.

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They'd have to have different level requirements, too. Still, I feel like any intermediate materia is almost completely useless as is and this would not change that. Why would you ever buy grade III materia when it costs hundreds of thousands of gil, so you're not going to put it on non-level cap gear, yet it's weaker than grade IV? The more you screw around with stepping stone grade materia, the longer it takes to save for that final materia you actually want to end up with.

I support this!

Yeah, the current materia system is murder on the inventory.

The solution seems pretty simple:

Get rid of sub-tiers.

Expand the main tiers to go from Tier I to Tier VII, and adjust the drop rates accordingly to keep top tier materia rare.

Let identical materia stack

Give materia their own tab in the inventory

Categorize and divide the market wards materia search into "Stat Materia", "Gathering Materia", "Crafting Materia", "Elemental Materia", and "Status Resist Materia".

Keep the tiers, fix storing them (and buying/selling them) with one of the many suggestions out there in 1.20.

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Originally Posted by Murugan

Keep the tiers, fix storing them (and buying/selling them) with one of the many suggestions out there in 1.20.

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I support the multi tiers for materia, it's the inventory and searching in the markets that needs to be changed. :D

I also agree with the original post! I really hate the sub tier system.
It's way too hard to find or make the best of a tier of materia. I would really like to see sub tiers go by the way side. I kinda like the idea of a NQ and HQ of each lvl though that would work out well I think.

As far as the inventory issue I agree that materia could use it's own tab and it also needs to stack if it's the same lvl and sub tier...

Also if there is another post on the boards about materia sub tiers can someone please link it so I may post on it as well? Thanks!

Sell/toss the low tiers

Keep the high tiers

Meld the high tiers

Tada!

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materia keeps money flowing in the wards

I have to agree with the OP. The subtier thing is annoying.

to me the best way to fix this is take the teirs within the tiers out completely and have only strength I, II, III, IV and move it to a synth instead of a random number generator and have the skill of a crafter determine whether the item is able to be synthed or not along with if they hq it you get your tier after it is attached.

if you did that it would also allow the items to stack since each strength IV would be identical stats when made.

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Originally Posted by Charismatic

It's pretty obvious to me why they do this, to make an endless grind for the "ultimate gear" as far as min-maxers are concerned. If every touch of rage IV was the best touch of rage IV it would take less time, grind parties for materia and broken forbidden gear to get the "best of the best"
It creates a near endless grind to get super maxed out gear which keeps crafters relevant.

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I understand this as well, but at the moment it's not worth investing all that time into getting the ultimate gear and the ultimate materia attached to it, at least I don't feel that it is. In a few months when 1.21 comes out with the new job system and job specific gear comes out there is a high probability that the best gear now will become secondary, the question is if the AF gear will be U/U and you can therefore get something that is close to it's stats by using materia on now existing gear.