Hey guys :) So i've been fiddling around with SCH recently, played AST for ages, alot of fun! but i wanna switch it up a bit.
So i've got two questions, This is mainly to speed things up on bosses.
1. What should i do on bosses? atm i play it off like,
' Bio 2, Miasma , Bio -> Virus -> Broil -> refresh dots as needed.
(not sure if i'm overlooking something here)
2. What should my average DPS be?
Not asking for a very specific, but just a general point to focus on.
I Would like to help my party as much as i can when i'm not healing or when its not needed so i love to push my DPS as much as i can.
My healers are geared with full alex gear(i190) And starting to collect some void gear since last week + I200 ESO weapon.
SCH DPS Question.
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12-30-2015, 02:41 AMBlitzaceSCH DPS Question.
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12-30-2015, 02:51 AMVanilleFang
SCH generally use Aero in their DPS rotation. It's a whole other DoT with decent potency. Also, Virus isn't really a DPS skill. It should be used to mitigate heavy hits.
I'm not an expert so I think someone more experienced could give you better information. -
12-30-2015, 03:12 AMLyrica_Ashtine
Well, it's not like Scholar - or any other healer for that matter - DPS is rocket science:
Keep DoTs up
All DoTs up: Use filler spells
Scholars have Energy Drain to use in between which you can use freely as you like. But make sure you plan how to use them. So you're not out of stacks the moment you actually need them. But on the other hand, do not waste the CD time on it either by holding back 2+ stacks because you're too afraid of things that may not even happen. -
12-30-2015, 03:29 AMRoxas_Andrade1.For Bosses, I guess you're good if you add aero to your dots. But if you use Ruin II + Energy drain, the combo is stronger than Broil alone and you can do it with the same GCD you'd use for Broil. Or you can use ED as you cast your instant Dots and Broil away. Depends on your playstyle. E4aE is also a good mitigator to use as Virus wear off. It will help you to DPS longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blitzace
2.I play on PS4 and I really can't answer the question, but in patch 3.2 SE will implement some sort of training area where you can see how good you are. From then, you and we all will be able to answer that question. -
12-30-2015, 03:49 AMDarkmoonVael
Start casting shadow flare on pull>bio II>energy drain>Miasma>energy drain>bio>energy drain>aero> aetherflow>broil>energy drain>broil>energy drain>broil> energy drain.
Things to note, Shadow flare, Bio II and Bio have no initial hit so have no accuracy requirements. Also the above assumes you have theee stacks of aetherflow and aetherflow off cooldown.
In raid setting, SCH also sometime dissipate during the opener once their stacks are gone for three additional stacks for energy drain.
After that its all about refreshing dots as they are about the expire :). -
12-30-2015, 03:54 AMMiyha
Not sure about exact numbers for how high your DPS should be... But for my SCH rotation, I do:
Bio 2 > Miasma > Bio > Energy Drain > Aero > Energy Drain > Spam Broil > Refresh DoTs as needed. I usually always use Energy Drain after Bio/Aero to make up for the GCD downtime. Sometimes I'll toss a Miasma 2 in there, or may feel more comfortable saving my Aetherflows for healing in certain fights rather than using them on Energy Drains.
Also, if you have Selene summoned, keep Fey Wind on CD. ;P Higher attack speed = more DPS for you and your party. -
12-30-2015, 05:22 AMBlitzace
Alrighty *Makes alot of notes!*
Did not realise i should use aero too, so thank you guys :D
Virus saving for bigger hits - Noted!
Shadowflare i already use forgot to type that in :x
And i mainly use EoS to be honest in certain fights i prefer Selene though!
Protip - Change your stats when you played SMN last time *facepalm* ^^ -
12-30-2015, 05:50 AMTatoRazzinoThis is your opener, when you have three stacks and Aetherflow ready to use. After the opener, you shouldn't be using Energy Drain in between spells because that delays your GCD; save them to use when your GCD is running (when you refresh Bio/Aero).Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkmoonVael
Also, I would start with Swiftcast + Shadow Flare + Energy Drain on the boss for the opener, because that helps keep the GCD running. -
12-30-2015, 06:09 AMMiyhaAlmost forgot about Shadow Flare. :P I use Swiftcast + Shadow Flare as an opener on bosses+big trash pulls once I know it's safe to DPS some. (And if it's a trash pull I might elect to use a Bane instead of Energy Drain after the first Bio to spread a bit of damage out.)Quote:
Originally Posted by TatoRazzino
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12-30-2015, 06:40 AMDarkmoonVaelYeah the hardcast shadow flare is under the persumption its a raid and your tank has a pull macro :). Should have maybe clarified that a bit more.Quote:
Originally Posted by TatoRazzino
Also, as a general asside for continuing this topic, if you really want to push opening dps, use a HQ draconic/x potion of mind before hitting cleric stance and you opener. It can make quite a bit of difference. Hopefully they havent changed how potions and cleric interact, as this is from when i was doing T8 savage to push the towers at the start. The way potions interacted then was that the pot of mind would scale to current mind value, added to that value of mind and then converted fully to int when cleric stance was hit. Tried it with intelligence pots after cleric stance was used, and found that they would scale off your base int value, and basically add very little. Hopefully that hasn't changed, but thats another way sch dps in the opener can be pushed if you are truely into maximising your dps on sch. -
12-30-2015, 07:11 AMTatoRazzinoI believe that you need Mind pots to add more DPS as a healer while in Cleric Stance.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkmoonVael
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12-30-2015, 11:03 AMBlitzace
Hmm potions would be an option but i would only use those for endgame content though, probably anyways :D And they don't last for very long do they ?
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12-30-2015, 07:09 PMDarkmoonVaelThey dont last too long, but long enough to get out all your dots, weaved energy drains and some broil. It can make a difference in opening burst dps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blitzace
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12-31-2015, 05:23 PMFoxyAreku
Also keep in mind that DoTs snapshot.
Meaning, for example, if you place a DoT on something when your potion only has 1 second left, the DoT will still stay enhanced from the potion for its entire duration. -
01-01-2016, 12:01 AMLyrica_AshtineI'm not gonna tell anyone that this is false. Potions do indeed snap on DoTs (or any buff for that matter) as long the buff was active as the cast goes out. But considering the duration of potions, damage frequency, and the duration of DoTs, it doesn't always mean a DPS increase.Quote:
Originally Posted by FoxyAreku
Let's take Bio for example. A drac. Mind potion would increase your mind by 105. That's about 10% more damage for 15 seconds. To reflect that on Bio, that would mean Bio's potency/tick would increase from 40 to 44. So let's assume you use a potion, use it right away and get another one right before the potion disappears. That's 440 potency together (You lose 88 potency for clipping Bio early). You'll always clip 2 ticks early as the 3 second difference between the duration of Bio and the potion is already a tick itself. So let's consider using Broil before the potion disappears - Or broiling first and casting Bio later for that matter -, rather than another Bio. Broil with the potion would be 187 potency. Combined with Bio that's 451 potency. If you can somehow magically manage to clip only a single tick of Bio, then yes, you actually gain 33 potency. But I don't think this is actually possible considering the 3 second interval between the ticks and the animation lock after using a potion.
For reference (assuming you clip after the 4th tick):
Bio II + Bio II early clipping: 539 potency
Bio II + Broil: 572 potency
Miasma + Miasma early clipping: 506 potency
Miasma + Broil: 517 potency -
01-03-2016, 12:55 AM416to305Why would you use Energy Drain 6 times and waste all your Aetherflow stacks? You don't worry that you'll need Lustrate or Indomitability and will have no stacks just because you used Energy Drain for a 150 potency attack? When AoE damage comes and you have no Aetherflow stacks up, you're pretty limited in your rapid healing ability.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkmoonVael
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01-03-2016, 03:02 AMDarkmoonVaelBecause most WHM/Diurnal.AST will be solo healing for the first min+ of the fight, leaving you to use all resources for dps.Quote:
Originally Posted by 416to305
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01-03-2016, 03:50 AMAryn_LastrovYou shouldn't burn your three stacks from your first aetherflow straight away. Regardless of whether you will be using them for lustrate etc, you should wait until you use an instant cast ability such as bio or aero to avoid clipping your gcd.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkmoonVael
Even with a pot up, I think this holds true - but if you have math that shows otherwise, I would genuinely like to see it as I'm not 100% confident. -
01-03-2016, 04:25 AMDarkmoonVaelYou would need to parse the 9 energy drain opener under potion with slight clipping vs your opener of energy drain only after instant cast dots to see which is best. As we know parsers are not allowed, and i am on a ps4 so couldnt do so anyway :). Its the opener i used on SCH in Alexander Savage which seemed to work for me, and i know others that use this opener. But saying that, i know others that use your opener. Perhaps someone can find out for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aryn_Lastrov
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01-03-2016, 10:01 AMJudge_XeroYeah, you definitely don't want to delay your GCD. Minimum animation lock is 0.5s, so at a 2.5 GCD it's a 20% loss on whatever attack you are delaying. (i.e. Miasma @ 300 Potency -> 0.8 = 240 Potency)Quote:
Originally Posted by Aryn_Lastrov
108 Potency loss there, or more depending on spell speed. (2.3s GCD = 22% loss)Quote:
bio II>energy drain>Miasma>energy drain>bio>
Besides for that, you want to burn up some of that SCH MP before using Aetherflow, so you may as well Energy Drain during those instant cast skills, since there are 2 every 18s.
Don't forget to sac your Fairy for 3 more Aetherflow to use on Energy Drains. This is especially helpful during any downtime on fights where you can hard cast your Fairy once the buff wears off. -
01-03-2016, 08:25 PMDarkmoonVaelSo did some cursory testing. I204 SCH, Codex of Heavens, 1032 mind, 605 crit, 536 det, 551 spell speed (stats incase you want them). HQ draconic pot of mind used.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aryn_Lastrov
My rotation 1280 dps.
Energy Drain only after Aero, Bio and the initial Swiftcast Shadow Flare 1298 dps.
Measured up to second use of aetherflow in rotation to try and reflect reality of SCH having to manage subsequent stacks for both healing and dps. Started with Aetherflow off cooldown for both with 3 stacks already. Aetherflow was used before dissipation, so in my rotation after miasma, yours aero. Both used Swiftcast Shadowflare at start.
Anyway, as i said it was a cursory look, and i think people will pull my methodology to shreds.........
I did this out of curiosity more than anything.
EDIT: would also need to do these two tests lots and lots of times to get any kind of clear picture.