when is thordan ex in duty finder?

cant clear cuz theres i cant go in to learn, cant learn cuz i cant get in

Even it's on duty finder, people can't clear it swiftly because... You know, duty finder people?

I even get so many bad DPS when running Ravana for WHM cane and totally lucky on some duty finder that have best DPS.

thats fine, id at least have the opportunity to see whats going on in the fight. as of now, the fight ahs been out for over a motnh and i still havent gone in

Why can't you go in to learn? Make a learning party in Party Finder. You're on Gilgamesh, isn't it meant to be an active server? If my server has less people that yours but can easily make learning parties for Thordan EX, it means yours can as well.

I feel that pain but still looking to hopefully find a group just to experience the fights because I know how matchmaking will end up. I am just taking a break from Warcraft because we were done with their version of high end progression months ago and been playing this game to fill in the void of downtime. Just out of curiosity I wanted to see how the two hardmodes of the games are alike/different the past weeks but I am running into that problem where you can't get in unless you killed it and its kinda hard to sneak into one with that bonus message there. Been along time though since I been on this side of the fence considering how Warcraft is notorious for not allowing people to join runs.

gilgamesh isnt some heaven where everyone clears everything on the first day. noone wants to join learning party this late in the patch

Have you even tried making a learning party Erza? I've made so many learning parties so post your experiences and what you did when you tried to make learning parties for Thordan EX and I can maybe give you some tips as to what you can do to make your parties fill faster.

It's a valid question. I only really start being able to play at about this time of day, and I'm on Faerie. I'm likely not seeing any sort of PF action any time soon. Last few learning parties I've tried starting timed out with maybe a handful of join-and-drops.

Having a PF-only period is fine, but that shouldn't really hold for any more than a month or two after clearing. I've had clears of T5 and all the Ex's up to Ramuh in DF, so it definitely can be done, and holding it back for too long and to where it gets too stale isn't doing anybody any favors.

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Have you even tried making a learning party Erza? I've made so many learning parties so post your experiences and what you did when you tried to make learning parties for Thordan EX and I can maybe give you some tips as to what you can do to make your parties fill faster.

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i made the friendliest pf ever tbh "thordan learning all are welcome. dont expect clear". i made ilvl setup i190 which is the bare minimum. one or two popped in, waited 10-15 min and see that noone else coming and left. rinse and repeat

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Originally Posted by ErzaScarlet77

i made the friendliest pf ever tbh "thordan learning all are welcome. dont expect clear". i made ilvl setup i190 which is the bare minimum. one or two popped in, waited 10-15 min and see that noone else coming and left. rinse and repeat

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That's... not exactly friendly though. Try not being so negative in your party description. Instead of "don't expect clear" put something like "no experience necessary." Ask around in linkshells and FC to see if a few vets might help you learn. It also matters when you put that kind of party up in PF. During prime time it'll likely fill up, but if it's off hours for the USA on a NA server, odds are it won't. I know I've done a couple of parties myself (teaching the fight to a few FC mates) in the past couple of weeks, so I know it can be done.

Even once this fight goes into the DF, I think people are going to have a very hard time. I'll be surprised if DF parties make it even as far as meteors. The difficulty on it is much higher than previous EX primals. I'd peg the difficulty at the same level as A1S/A2S.

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i made the friendliest pf ever tbh "thordan learning all are welcome. dont expect clear". i made ilvl setup i190 which is the bare minimum. one or two popped in, waited 10-15 min and see that noone else coming and left. rinse and repeat

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It's going to be very hard to make a full party in 15 minutes unless it's peak time. And knowing how NA people act, even on peak time it will be hard to get full in 15 minutes. On off-peak times (When people are at work and school) I often wait 2 hours (2 PF recruitments) before my party fills up. If you really want to do the content, I don't think 2 hours is that much really especially if you have stuff like cooking/cleaning you can do while you afk wait.

Use the full 60 minutes to recruit people. The longer you recruit, the more your message goes to the top so it's easier to find. After 30 minutes or so, your message will become one of the top ones that people see as soon as they open up Party Finder.

Also the fastest way to get people to join your Party Finder is to already have people in the party. People are more often going to join a party that needs 4-5 people than one that needs 7 people. Getting 2-3 friends to join you helps a lot I find. If these friends have cleared the content, add that in your message. "Thordan EX beginning learning party. First timers welcome. 2 people who have already cleared are helping". This sounds a bit weird since I'm used to typing this all in Japanese but try writing something that sounds natural.

Also shout is a great tool as well. After 15 minutes or so, every 7-10 minutes I go to every popular zone and just shout what I'm PFing. "Sorry for the shout. Recruiting for Thordan EX in Party Finder. Practice party from the very begining, first timers are welcome. Need 1 Tank, 2 Healer, 2 DPS. 2 people who have cleared already are helping." Something like this. Again I normally type this in Japanese so it might sound a bit weird.

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Again I normally type this in Japanese so it might sound a bit weird.

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Your English is actually better than a lot of native speakers I've seen so don't worry. :3

The only real difference is the phrasing. Yours is a bit more... proper, I guess?

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I don't think 2 hours is that much[...]

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For the majority of players this represents probably about 2/3rds if not all of their play time.

Also, a lot of your post seems to assume you have access to some individuals already. For those of us on right about now, that's a bit harder to manage.

Why would you want this? lol.

Click "party finder" and make your own learning group, OP. Seriously, it's not hard. You just might be waiting like 30 minutes, but that's really a small price to pay over not doing it at all.

OP does address that: Learning PFs don't tend to fill so fast, especially if you're playing right around now.

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Why would you want this? lol.

Click "party finder" and make your own learning group, OP. Seriously, it's not hard. You just might be waiting like 30 minutes, but that's really a small price to pay over not doing it at all.

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why not?
DFs usually fills out faster than PFs.
DF has a bigger pool of player to choose from.
quality of DF players highly depends on your data center.
everything has its pros and cons.

and it doesn't bother anyone who uses PF, except maybe the number of people joining it xD

And I'd bet a positive upswing in PF if it means people can actually experience phases,

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Originally Posted by Eul

Even it's on duty finder, people can't clear it swiftly because... You know, duty finder people?

I even get so many bad DPS when running Ravana for WHM cane and totally lucky on some duty finder that have best DPS.

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The only thing DF has trouble with in EX primals is Ramuh EX. Thordan EX will not be as hard for DF to clear as Ramuh imo, so it should be easier for people to clear in DF.

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Originally Posted by ErzaScarlet77

i made the friendliest pf ever tbh "thordan learning all are welcome. dont expect clear". i made ilvl setup i190 which is the bare minimum. one or two popped in, waited 10-15 min and see that noone else coming and left. rinse and repeat

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Wait, you waited 10-15mins and PF "don't expect clear"?

I'm more concerned that you waited ONLY 10-15 mins. They didn't build Rome in a day you know...

How to PF:

1.) Make the PF. Specify that you're a learning party and that you don't require any experience. There are a lot of PFs that look for specific phase progression and you want to make sure everyone understands you've never seen the fight before (most who are only a bit into the fight are willing to teach the first phase as it's pretty cut and dry).

2.) Ask friends to join, ask people in your FC to join, ask in linkshells, shout in city states/Idyllshire. It's not enough to just put up a PF and wait for the magic to happen (sometimes this can work, a lot of time people just don't check the PF), so make sure that everyone knows your party actually exists.

3.) If someone joins, make sure they feel welcome, and see if anyone they know is willing to help or needs to learn the fight themselves. This can lead to your party filling even quicker and it's generally a good idea.

4.) Once your party has filled, head on in.

Your best bet is to watch the fight many times on youtube from your classes perspective drum it into your head and try clear party rather than learning if your memory is real good that is I've course and you can more or less mirror fight like the person you were watching.

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Originally Posted by Chiramu

The only thing DF has trouble with in EX primals is Ramuh EX. Thordan EX will not be as hard for DF to clear as Ramuh imo, so it should be easier for people to clear in DF.

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say what?

you know its hardest EX ever released so far

hell even A1S and A2S are tons easier than it yet farm PFs fail so hard in it

dont spread wrong info about something you didnt even clear yourself ok

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For the majority of players this represents probably about 2/3rds if not all of their play time.

Also, a lot of your post seems to assume you have access to some individuals already. For those of us on right about now, that's a bit harder to manage.

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Read what I said. The 2 hours was off peak time. I guess I didn't make it clear, but what I meant is if you're recruiting at off peak times, I don't think 2 hours is that long of a wait. If you can only manage off peak times, then you're going to need to accept the fact that recruitments are going to take a lot longer than normal. But luckily you can do stuff like crafting and FATEs and Triple Triad while waiting or just AFK.

And I said that having friends that can join with you helps shorten the wait time, but it's not needed. If you really can't get any friends to come join your learning party, you're going to have to wait longer. But if it's a learning party, even your friends who have not cleared the content should be alright to join as well as those of your friends that have already cleared the content.

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The only thing DF has trouble with in EX primals is Ramuh EX. Thordan EX will not be as hard for DF to clear as Ramuh imo, so it should be easier for people to clear in DF.

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<_< If it's easy it should ended up like Shiva EX (just example), not things like Phase 1 that can only deal damage until 74% below to sure kill thordan...

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Your best bet is to watch the fight many times on youtube from your classes perspective drum it into your head and try clear party rather than learning if your memory is real good that is I've course and you can more or less mirror fight like the person you were watching.

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This is what you don't do as those are the people who wipe the "clear" parties the most. Not to mention RNG patterns with towers, tether, and skyward leap mechanics. A video watch doesn't mean you'll have the fight mirrored down, not even one clear is usually enough to say farm level.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie-Amber

Your best bet is to watch the fight many times on youtube from your classes perspective drum it into your head and try clear party rather than learning if your memory is real good that is I've course and you can more or less mirror fight like the person you were watching.

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Er. No. Your best bet is to get in there and get some practice with the real fight... ._.

Watching videos just isn't the same.

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Watching videos just isn't the same.

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While I agree with this whatching one or two with your class POV does help to get an idea how you could/should handle certein mechanics.

To the OP on Shiva it's the same Thordan partys got really rare, it's the same like it was with Bismarck and Ravana if you don't beat it in the first rush it's fairly hard to get a decent group (I have yet to find one that can get past meteors :()

people are not reading the op..

1) they make a learning party

2) other people join said party and wait 15-20 min then bail. (not the op)

idk why this is like this, i guess its a WoW thing?? -shrug- ff11 didn't really have issues on my server with content. wjen i played WoW most pt i saw was farm groups needing to link the achievment.

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Originally Posted by Azazua_azura

people are not reading the op..

1) they make a learning party

2) other people join said party and wait 15-20 min then bail. (not the op)

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Best thing to do in these situations is to make a temporary Linkshell yourself for the people. Sometimes people need to leave party to do their own thing. Invite the people who join party, kick people from linkshell if they say they can't make it. After the party just disband the linkshell.

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Originally Posted by kuma_aus

Why can't you go in to learn? Make a learning party in Party Finder. You're on Gilgamesh, isn't it meant to be an active server? If my server has less people that yours but can easily make learning parties for Thordan EX, it means yours can as well.

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Wow look at this person here.. Making a learning party has a chance of filling up...almost neigh impossible.

And not everyone has friends(especially in this game) or dependable friends(especially in this game) you're often on your own(especially in this game). AKA you're not taking things into consideration. And linkshell peeps don't always help either, they are no different from FCs.

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And not everyone has friends(especially in this game) or dependable friends(especially in this game) you're often on your own(especially in this game). AKA you're not taking things into consideration. And linkshell peeps don't always help either, they are no different from FCs.

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Sounds like a personal problem. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Originally Posted by Azazua_azura

people are not reading the op..

1) they make a learning party

2) other people join said party and wait 15-20 min then bail. (not the op)

idk why this is like this, i guess its a WoW thing?? -shrug- ff11 didn't really have issues on my server with content. wjen i played WoW most pt i saw was farm groups needing to link the achievment.

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I think even learning party they should describe until what phase they gonna learn like "Until UE (Ultimate End)" or "Until KoR 4".

My 2 gils.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie-Amber

Your best bet is to watch the fight many times on youtube from your classes perspective drum it into your head and try clear party rather than learning if your memory is real good that is I've course and you can more or less mirror fight like the person you were watching.

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Don't do that, it ruins/builds up a lot of toxicity among players when people join clear parties when they haven't thoroughly experienced the battle and causing multiple wipes as a result. Just because you've seen someone else clear the fight doesn't mean you'll be facing the exact same circumstances.

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Originally Posted by Naliee

Wait, you waited 10-15mins and PF "don't expect clear"?

I'm more concerned that you waited ONLY 10-15 mins. They didn't build Rome in a day you know...

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Tbh I've waited before 2-3 hours to fill pf. Honestly.. It's like he said. Patience. Do irl things while waiting such as studying or cooking or cleaning. Or train classes ingame.