End to exp?

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10-16-2011, 09:55 PM
charlemagne

End to exp?

Am I alone in being very concerned about plans to level your characters via quests rather than grinding for exp?
At the moment if I want exp I can solo, I can duo or trio on harder mobs or I can enter a big party and go up against tougher mobs, each method requiring me to play a little differently. I can do it in a variety of zones against a variety of mobs.
If we have to level via quests they will need to be soloable to cater for players who like to solo, and the difficulty of the quests will have to allow for all skill levels. Won't this reduce the ability to set how challenging you want to make the game for yourself? I'm also concerned some of these quests will be more of the disappointing just criss crossing the world between cutscenes. It certainly seems to me that it will make the game more linear and less free roaming, which is a big part of the attraction of an mmo.
10-16-2011, 09:57 PM
Vaer

Not sure what you mean... If you mean jobs, they're more of a specialization (think talent tree), they just have quests to get new abilities and stuff exclusive to the job.
10-16-2011, 10:03 PM
charlemagne

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Originally Posted by Vaer

Not sure what you mean... If you mean jobs, they're more of a specialization (think talent tree), they just have quests to get new abilities and stuff exclusive for the job.

In 2.0 we will advance our classes via quests rather than by exping.
10-16-2011, 10:04 PM
ObeiKinstar

I think Yoshi has clearly stated that he intends to make more then one way to play this game, he has said there will be both solo and party content. If doing quest to gain exp isn't your thing you can always group up and go fight mobs, thats why they implemented chains and links.
10-16-2011, 10:05 PM
MariyaShidou

Advance job, not classes. You still XP to get your class up, while doing quest to unlock more job ability (sorta).
10-16-2011, 10:07 PM
charlemagne

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Originally Posted by ObeiKinstar

I think Yoshi has clearly stated that he intends to make more then one way to play this game, he has said there will be both solo and party content. If doing quest to gain exp isn't your thing you can always group up and go fight mobs, thats why they implemented chains and links.

"Jobs to progress by clearing quests rather than gaining EXP.", these are the exact words used.
10-16-2011, 10:10 PM
Whax

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Originally Posted by charlemagne

"Jobs to progress by clearing quests rather than gaining EXP.", these are the exact words used.

Jobs are not classes.
10-16-2011, 10:11 PM
Zenaku

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Originally Posted by charlemagne

"Jobs to progress by clearing quests rather than gaining EXP.", these are the exact words used.

Jobs are not class remember that he mean that Jobs would level because there part of the class. So to level up your Class you have to go out and party and let's say your a Monk to unlock new spell,WS and such you do quest.

If your a 35pug and equip monk you now a 35monk if your a 50 conj you become a 50 white mage.

So to level up your job in the sense of getting better you have to level up your class by what you doing and level up your job by doing quest to unlock AF,Spells and other stuff.
10-16-2011, 10:24 PM
charlemagne

ahhh. Seems I misinterpreted it. If it's just a matter of questing new ws and whatever then that's entirely different. Ignore me I'm an idiot.
10-16-2011, 10:26 PM
Wolfie

I will take questing, dungeoneering, and doing leves over FFXI style mob grinding any day.

But that's not what Yoshi meant at all when he said jobs will progress through quests.
10-16-2011, 10:29 PM
Bearforce

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Originally Posted by charlemagne

ahhh. Seems I misinterpreted it. If it's just a matter of questing new ws and whatever then that's entirely different. Ignore me I'm an idiot.

^agreed 100%
10-16-2011, 10:51 PM
Zenaku

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

I will take questing, dungeoneering, and doing leves over FFXI style mob grinding any day.

But that's not what Yoshi meant at all when he said jobs will progress through quests.

and i would take mob grinding then Kill X amount of Y or take A item to NPCA any day. 1hour of grinding mobs none stop i can get a lot of levels 1hour of doing loads of quest that may take more then 10min to do for only 1k EXP is pointless.
10-16-2011, 11:03 PM
Wolfie

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

and i would take mob grinding then Kill X amount of Y or take A item to NPCA any day. 1hour of grinding mobs none stop i can get a lot of levels 1hour of doing loads of quest that may take more then 10min to do for only 1k EXP is pointless.

Exp and item rewards are irrelevant, those can easily be adjusted at any time. Fun factor and variety can't.
10-16-2011, 11:09 PM
Zenaku

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Exp and item rewards are irrelevant, those can easily be adjusted at any time. Fun factor and variety can't.

I just don't think it should follow every other game layout. Leves are like that and it get boring at least i have more fun mob grinding don't ask why i just like it more ;)
10-16-2011, 11:13 PM
Wolfie

Well, it's happening. They're going to "westernize" FFXIV. So good luck to ya.
10-16-2011, 11:35 PM
Technyze

I read this as well, you are not alone. I too am concerned. I personally have been hoping they work towards making combat leveling very similar to FFXI as it is one of the only games out there that I have ever said is fun to level in. I've already done about 10,000 quests in over 20+ different MMO's no thanks.
10-17-2011, 12:17 AM
Zenaku

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Well, it's happening. They're going to "westernize" FFXIV. So good luck to ya.

Then they lose a big % of there fans and then when blizzard new mmo come out guess what? everyone going to leave too that and FFXIV only going to have you know it FFXI players who still be playing ffxi due to ffxiv being western.

Anyways even if they make it western does not mean that it wont have storyline lol and that what all western game does not have storyline as you go on playing.
10-17-2011, 12:27 AM
Razor

Why does game development have to be either eastern or western? Why can't we have a hybrid that takes the best of both?

If seen this argument nearly every time XIV gets something non-XI planned. "We're getting <new feature>?! Ah hell the game is lost to the west everyone drop your subs."
10-17-2011, 12:30 AM
Charismatic

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Originally Posted by Razor

Why does game development have to be either eastern or western? Why can't we have a hybrid that takes the best of both?

If seen this argument nearly every time XIV gets something non-XI planned. "We're getting <new feature>?! Ah hell the game is lost to the west everyone drop your subs."

It isn't that it can't be... you know, because that's what the game is now.
There's a mix of eastern and western MMO concepts being added all the time too. What you're looking for is essentially what XIV is and always will be. However, we have to look at the game we had initially and realize it was lacking pretty much any feature you'd expect from a western MMO and in trying to balance it they are adding more of these western MMO features for the time being but looking at the roadmap to 2.0 I am thinking they'll have struck a pretty good balance. Too bad that's more than a year away!
10-17-2011, 12:31 AM
Zenaku

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Originally Posted by Razor

Why does game development have to be either eastern or western? Why can't we have a hybrid that takes the best of both?

If seen this argument nearly every time XIV gets something non-XI planned. "We're getting <new feature>?! Ah hell the game is lost to the west everyone drop your subs."

Did you see the ui? they even changing the action to square why not keep it how it is? what wrong with it?

I don't like western layout of gaming wow,aion,rift all follow this rule level by quest or dungeon and you do raids and PVP. while in ffxi sure BCNM,SKY,SEA where all dungeon it was something different it had it own feel with a storyline with it.

Yoshi-p said he be making more diff stuff but it wont be called raids/dungeon but i guess he change his mind lol. I just hope it does not become 100% western then i be fine with the game.
10-17-2011, 12:33 AM
Charismatic

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

Did you see the ui? they even changing the action to square why not keep it how it is? what wrong with it?

They changed it because it looks nicer the new way, it's as simple as that. You can't honestly tell me the new UI does not look like an improvement. Also, I wouldn't say it's exactly a western design as it looks more like FFXIII than any MMO I've seen.

You shouldn't get so stuck on what types of improvements are being made and in what manner but rather that improvements are being made. If something is made better what difference does it matter if what we have now is functional or where the influence for the change came from... it's been improved, just be glad about that.
10-17-2011, 12:54 AM
Zenaku

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Originally Posted by Charismatic

They changed it because it looks nicer the new way, it's as simple as that. You can't honestly tell me the new UI does not look like an improvement. Also, I wouldn't say it's exactly a western design as it looks more like FFXIII than any MMO I've seen.

You shouldn't get so stuck on what types of improvements are being made and in what manner but rather that improvements are being made. If something is made better what difference does it matter if what we have now is functional or where the influence for the change came from... it's been improved, just be glad about that.

Very true i can care less about the UI seeing how we can change that ourself my issue with the new would the look of the game change from how it is too more western? becuase if that happen then that be a downgrade in the look of the game look wise. It been killing me i want to know if the new engine would kill the realism and change the art work to more like tera,aion,rift but just little better if it does then i think it would kill the game for me. ; ; that dam art work is killing me i know it's a art work but it seem like it going to look like that ;;

lol this topic is now something else lol.