Aren't we going towards a dungeon deadlock ?

My Alt only recently finished MSQ, and I'm starting the lvl 60 content.

For now, I'm locked out on most of it, until I gathered enough law to reach ilvl170, doing lvl60 and trial roulettes.

And it got me thinking...in 3.2, Law Tomestones will disappear (With the recent confirmation for a new tomestone, and the usual trend)...at that time, how will people unlock access to the content ?

Fractal and Neverreap require 145. Ok, good. Alex normal, Sirius Hard and Arboretum require 170...hmm, not good. Void Ark requires even higher ilvl...even less good. And if the same pattern is followed, Arboretum and Sirius will be pushed back to level 60 roulette, while the two new ones will make the Expert, meaning that people will be locked out of lvl 60 roulette until they reach i170.

Looking back at 2.x, we had far more room to gather gear. When Philosophy disappeared, they were put in Brayflox, Halatali and Lost City...dungeons that only required lvl 50 to enter, like LotA. It means that drops from WP and AK were enough to unlock access to both of them, allowing you to gather i70 and i80 gear, which open access to the next tier of dungeons and raids, and so on...

Without revamping existing required ilvl or loot list, the solution I see is putting law gear in the new dungeons...thus, making them "lower" than Arboretum and Sirius (Hard). Really weird.

Old currencies stick around a lot longer than you think.
First the pre-Poetics currency has to go. Then poetics. Only after that Law will be gone, and by then the gear will probably drop from dungeons or be given as a quest reward, the way they also did in ARR (think darklight gear, for example).

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Originally Posted by Atoli

Old currencies stick around a lot longer than you think.

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Well, no lowest tomestones stayed more than two patches. Philosophy was gone by 2.2, Mythology, by 2.4 and Soldiery by 3.0

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Originally Posted by Atoli

Then poetics. Only after that Law will be gone, and by then the gear will probably drop from dungeons or be given as a quest reward, the way they also did in ARR (think darklight gear, for example).

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I have the feeling that Poetics will stay, being lvl 50 tomestones. If you want to do the Zeta questline before lvl 60, you need a way to still gain tomestones.
But it's a possibility...still weird possibility... to allow lvl 60 tomestones before lvl 60.

As for DL gear, it was put in dungeons that only required lvl 50 to enter. We're already passed the ilvl170 mark in current dungeons.

I don't understand the issue? What grants Law now will grant Eso in 3.2. So gearing will be much faster then it currently is? You can run Fractal/Neverreap/Roulette to get Esos at i145 jumping you to i200.

When we get a new currency, Eso will unlock. I don't think the Law gear will go away.

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Originally Posted by Pence

I don't understand the issue? What grants Law now will grant Eso in 3.2. So gearing will be much faster then it currently is? You can run Fractal/Neverreap/Roulette to get Esos at i145 jumping you to i200.

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If we follow the same trend, no you won't.
Sirius and Arboretum will be pushed back into lvl60 roulette.
To unlock lvl 60 roulette, you have to do all dungeons in the roulette.
Sirius and Arboretum require ilvl170.

So, to unlock lvl60 roulette, you'll need to reach i170...without law tomestones.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

When we get a new currency, Eso will unlock. I don't think the Law gear will go away.

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Eso will unlock because they'll become the lowest lvl60 tomestone, thus, at the same time as the removal of Law Tomestone. At least, it has always been that way until now.
The only exception is Poetics and it's thanks to the level cap increase.

And the existing dungeons already drop better gear than Law.

New players could choose to run Fractal and Neverreap without the roulette to get Eso tomes. The Eso payout will likely be increased once Eso is the lowest tomestone.

I'm guessing the old law equipment will be added to the Centurio hunt vendor to help keep it relevant since Centurio seals weren't used for new the relic quest.

I think you're over thinking things, Reyhart. It's very simple. What gives Law now, will give Eso in 3.2. Fractal will continue to drop i160 (or greater). You do not need roulette to run this. You'll be i170 in a few runs, able to do the Pharos and Abor which drop i185....and by then you can run an unlocked VA/Alex/Savage.....

And all of these dungeons will drop the new tome aswell.

I feel like you believe roulette is more important in gearing than it actually is.

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Originally Posted by Pence

I think you're over thinking things, Reyhart. It's very simple.[...]
I feel like you believe roulette is more important in gearing than it actually is.

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Maybe I'm just traumatized of having to run Neverreap over and over and over again than my brain lost it just by thinking they'll have to do it more than us. :confused:

Weren't the Darklight gears originally tomestone gears? Then they just put the drops in the dungeons themselves.
Maybe something similar will happen.

Esoterics will drop like Law currently drop, with no cap. Law gear will be buyable from GC seals.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

Esoterics will drop like Law currently drop, with no cap. Law gear will be buyable from GC seals.

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Not sure why you'd say this? No trends point towards it being true. If anything law gear will be drops in a dungeon.

The dungeons that drop law will instead drop eso which will be uncapped. You will not only be able to achieve a higher ilvl faster it will make the law gear irrelevant beyond glamour. Such has been the course every two patches since the game came out.

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Originally Posted by Pence

Not sure why you'd say this? No trends point towards it being true. If anything law gear will be drops in a dungeon.

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They've put quite a bit of retired tome gear/materials in GC and hunt seals. Current dungeons drop ilvl185 gear, and next ones will drop ilvl170?

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Originally Posted by Dante_V

Such has been the course every two patches since the game came out.

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Yes, but we never had such a huge gap in required ilvl that early.
Wanderer's Palace was 45, next patch, Sirius was 48, next patch Lost City was 55, next patch, Hullbreaker isle was 70.

So, it took 4 patches to require more than philosophy gear to even enter the latest MSQ dungeon, which was Snowcloak.
Upgraded Law will grant no access as soon as 3.2 hits, and Antitower has been confirmed to be part of the MSQ.

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Originally Posted by Pence

Not sure why you'd say this? No trends point towards it being true. If anything law gear will be drops in a dungeon.

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I'm going to assume Centurio seals were intended instead of GC seals, which would match up with the current situation with Soldiery gear as of 3.0. I personally don't see the need for a different tomestone. Just move the 200 gear to Law and move the current Law gear to Centurio seals or lower price in Law.

Where does it say that Law will be removed? All I saw was that a new tomestone will be added.
Won't Poetics be removed, if anything?

Correct Poetic Tombs will be dropped first law and esoterics will move down one tier and the new tombs will replace esoterics.

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Originally Posted by Melondra

Correct Poetic Tombs will be dropped first law and esoterics will move down one tier and the new tombs will replace esoterics.

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I don't think so, because they're lvl 50 and some people will still want to do things with them before reaching the level cap.
And it's tomestones, not tombstones.

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Originally Posted by FunkyBunch

Where does it say that Law will be removed? All I saw was that a new tomestone will be added.
Won't Poetics be removed, if anything?

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Poetics won't be removed as they're the only farmable tomestones @ 50 for those that don't have the expansion.

Law will be phased out and replaced with Esoterics, Esoterics being replaced with a new tomestone. The point with this is to have 1 farmable tomestone to gear up for current content and one that's capped weekly. This was, at least, the case for 2.0 - things might change in 3.0 but the system kinda works so I doubt they'll do anything different. The gear you could get with the previous farmable tomestone was usually thrown in dungeons or could be bought at your GC eventually, so it's not entirely gone you just get it in a different way.

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

The gear you could get with the previous farmable tomestone was usually thrown in dungeons or could be bought at your GC eventually, so it's not entirely gone you just get it in a different way.

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But dungeons already drop loot higher than Law.
Centurio Seals...? Maybe...

And maybe it's the reason they didn't take them into account in the Anima questline (yet).

But you'll still have to farm a lot of gear without having access to the lvl60 Roulette...painful :(

Law won't go into dungeons, yeah, but probably through the Centurio Seals or some other variation. Law definitely isn't sticking around as there's no real reason for it - better to make it more accessible than to keep it locked behind tomestones that require dungeon grinding.

In 3.2, soldiery will dissappear, poetics will become exchangeable for law, esoteric will become uncapped and a new weekly cap currency will be added.

This is the same pattern that has existed since like 2.1 ?

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

But it's a possibility...still weird possibility... to allow lvl 60 tomestones before lvl 60.

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In the old days, DD and AV used to award a small amount of philosophy tomes, so you could have a few by the time you got to 50, at least enough to buy a ring or something. I kinda wondered why they stopped doing that

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Originally Posted by Zetsumei_Tsunarashi

In 3.2, soldiery will dissappear, poetics will become exchangeable for law, esoteric will become uncapped and a new weekly cap currency will be added.

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Again, until now, we didn't have the "level cap" issue.
Some people might now have the expansion, or just want to do their relic quest at level 50. Thus, they still need one type of tomestones available.

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

In the old days, DD and AV used to award a small amount of philosophy tomes, so you could have a few by the time you got to 50, at least enough to buy a ring or something. I kinda wondered why they stopped doing that

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Yes, a few. Too few to buy anything relevant without really painful farming, which roulette was supposed to reduce.