Stop Asking for Open World Content

It is always crap. Always. Just look at the joke of Hunts and Fates. When I play a game I want to be immersed in the experience... not be watching Netflix so I don't cry tears of boredom.

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Originally Posted by Alex_Lenderson

When I play a game I want to be immersed in the experience...

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So you get immersed standing around town plugging away in a glorified lineup to play a linear piece of content you have experienced several times before?

Just because they haven't done any open world content right yet doesn't mean they can't pull it off.

and the whinning continues...

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Originally Posted by Alex_Lenderson

I think it is always crap. Always. Just look at what I call a joke of Hunts and Fates. When I play a game I want to be immersed in the experience... not be watching Netflix so I don't cry tears of boredom. I don't like open world content, so don't let anyone else have it.

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Did I interpret that right? Thought so.

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Originally Posted by Alex_Lenderson

It is always crap. Always. Just look at the joke of Hunts and Fates. When I play a game I want to be immersed in the experience... not be watching Netflix so I don't cry tears of boredom.

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Go check out GW2's dynamic event chain meta events in their newest expansion if you want to see some well done open world content. Just because SE has so far sucked at implementing open world content that does not mean ALL open world content is bad.

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Originally Posted by Alex_Lenderson

It is always crap. Always. Just look at the joke of Hunts and Fates. When I play a game I want to be immersed in the experience... not be watching Netflix so I don't cry tears of boredom.

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You can pretty much do that with like 90% of the content in the game just not hunts and fates, cause person just reruns the same content for 3 months before getting new content to do the same. So doesn't really matter if it open world or not.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Just because they haven't done any open world content right yet doesn't mean they can't pull it off.

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It certainly doesn't inspire confidence in the idea...

Im not going to lie, making the world more and more open is a great idea, but its going to take time. To do more, we're going to have to wait for the ps3 cut off date. Right now its just not possible.

Actually, don't stop asking for Open World content ... in fact, don't stop asking for anything at all. Most of everything people will ask for will, almost always, get ignored. But it helps the community and the team grow together - to get all these ideas and thoughts out there for people to brainstorm over. No matter how strange the request, it could always spark a creative thought to help the game grow into a new direction and give ideas to the right people to make new and interesting things happen. What you shouldn't do is ask for something without any context; for instance, simply stating you want open world PvP without anything to add to it. Actually throw ideas out there, events and such that could make such a thing interesting and fun to play through rather than just for the sake of sneaking up on someone and stabbing them in the back. Don't tell them that you want them to think of better ideas for dungeons/raids/trials without adding any ideas for it yourself for people to break down and discuss.

Throw some big ideas out there, let people discuss them, and allow it to spark some new creativity in the minds of others.

how bout no. does no work for you?

I don't see any Open World Content yet.

We need Contested Dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

I don't see any Open World Content yet.

We need Contested Dungeons.

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We need contested nothing. Adding content that is camped by the same players with more time than most, isn't going to help the overworld feel more open, though it might just give those players something to epeen with.

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Originally Posted by Alex_Lenderson

It is always crap. Always. Just look at the joke of Hunts and Fates. When I play a game I want to be immersed in the experience... not be watching Netflix so I don't cry tears of boredom.

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FFXIV 1.0 already proven you wrong! Point.

open world content is bad? No
open world conten with unlimited participants is bad? yes

SE should build up the battle leves again (they are now only a shadow of the 1.0 leves), and bring back 1-8 participants open world content (have to talk with an NPC to join before the content start), like chocobo escourt and behest every 30 minute on different locations.

What was also good open world content in 1.0 was the surprise contents that just happen within a patch at random times until next patch, like the garlean ambush (best was the one during 1.21).
Sure, the amount of paticipants was also not limited, but at least the event area was big enough that it didn't feel crowded.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvEXkeHtf_g

Always ask a lot to get the less. If we stop asking devs will think their game is too amazing and we are too happy with it so they won't bother fix or add anything more. It is with the help of the community that this game escaped its death and grew so large. And it is because we keep asking that this game will grow further. I want more open world just as I want more dungeons. I want both for diversity.

guys OP is a troll when ever he posts it is always full of shit. Let the thread die he is just trying to cause a drama thread, let the stupidity die.

Stupidity? He's right. Square has demonstrated they have no idea how to implement open world content. And to be honest, I don't think the players know how to either. Times have changed, the same playerbase that made openworld content good have long since moved on. FATES are Squares idea of prime open world content. I can only imagine seamless transitions being cool, sort the boss wall appearing at the opening of a dungeon and then phasing out the other players. Can you imaging the shitstorm if people could contest anything? This game is meant for and played by carebares who for the most part don't want to miss out on anything. Just honestly look at the content as if it was already in game, can you imagine how that would work with the majority of the playerbase for this game? Just give it some honest thought

open world content with "purple areas" or "destination" that make mobs pop ? sure ....

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

Im not going to lie, making the world more and more open is a great idea, but its going to take time. To do more, we're going to have to wait for the ps3 cut off date. Right now its just not possible.

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Originally Posted by Alex_Lenderson

It is always crap. Always. Just look at the joke of Hunts and Fates. When I play a game I want to be immersed in the experience... not be watching Netflix so I don't cry tears of boredom.

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Just because fates and hunts are bad doesn't mean every open world content has to be garbage.

lol OP...because standing in town queuing for lobby bosses is so much more riveting, right? Open world content done right can be significantly more fun than instanced stuff...and it is accessible to many, many more players. I wouldn't mind some more real raids, too (aka >20 people, trash, lots of bosses - you know, a RAID)

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Originally Posted by Alex_Lenderson

It is always crap. Always. Just look at the joke of Hunts and Fates. When I play a game I want to be immersed in the experience... not be watching Netflix so I don't cry tears of boredom.

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YOU HEAR THAT EVERYONE!?!?! We should not ask for things we like because this guy said so!

lol what a joke, real full of yourself kid.

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Originally Posted by Alex_Lenderson

It is always crap. Always. Just look at the joke of Hunts and Fates. When I play a game I want to be immersed in the experience... not be watching Netflix so I don't cry tears of boredom.

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Treasure Maps aren't crap, they just need better rewards.

Even B Ranks are good now. If they put A Ranks on Weekly Bills they can be fun fights too.

Open, instanced, the fact remains that this entire game has a boring combat engine. Neither one of those things will fix it.

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Originally Posted by Stanelis

Just because fates and hunts are bad doesn't mean every open world content has to be garbage.

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I don't see how it could be done well. I really don't. When you have content that you can just throw more people at, content that doesn't require you to actually play your class appropriately, what is the point? It is a zzzz fest.

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Originally Posted by Ayerinn

lol OP...because standing in town queuing for lobby bosses is so much more riveting, right? Open world content done right can be significantly more fun than instanced stuff...and it is accessible to many, many more players. I wouldn't mind some more real raids, too (aka >20 people, trash, lots of bosses - you know, a RAID)

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Give me an example? Name one piece of open world content that required any sort of effort to get completed?

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Originally Posted by Alex_Lenderson

Give me an example? Name one piece of open world content that required any sort of effort to get completed?

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i already did.

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Originally Posted by Callback

Open, instanced, the fact remains that this entire game has a boring combat engine. Neither one of those things will fix it.

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I don't get this complaint. The combat system is quite engaging, there is quite a bit of content that requires you to be on your A game to get past. (Along with the rest of the folks in your group). What exactly is your complaint about it?

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

i already did.

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Treasure maps? Eh... hardly riveting game play. Now if they made a possibility of actually failing the fight with the monsters showing up due to difficulty THAT would be interesting. Perhaps I should have been more detailed however. *Combat* encounters in the open world are always awful so stop asking to fight things in open world content. Or do you actually enjoy zerg fest hunts and zzz fates?

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Originally Posted by Alex_Lenderson

I don't see how it could be done well. I really don't. When you have content that you can just throw more people at, content that doesn't require you to actually play your class appropriately, what is the point? It is a zzzz fest.

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Originally Posted by Alex_Lenderson

Treasure maps? Eh... hardly riveting game play. Now if they made a possibility of actually failing the fight with the monsters showing up due to difficulty THAT would be interesting. Perhaps I should have been more detailed however. *Combat* encounters in the open world are always awful so stop asking to fight things in open world content. Or do you actually enjoy zerg fest hunts and zzz fates?

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do them at i170 with 2 people. they can easily tune those fights to be difficult.

the reason they don't is because the rewards wouldn't match that difficulty level.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

the reason they don't is because the rewards wouldn't match that difficulty level.

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Stole my words, man. But yeah, rewards in this game have always been very lackluster, which will result in them being good for a bit and then abandoned. Diadem had a decide idea with the trade in system so people could at least make money. More stuff like this might keep up longevity throughout the expansion as long as its updated and difficulty increased, but after the expansion it'll be useless again.

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Originally Posted by Alex_Lenderson

I don't get this complaint. The combat system is quite engaging, there is quite a bit of content that requires you to be on your A game to get past. (Along with the rest of the folks in your group). What exactly is your complaint about it?

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There's zero engagement to it. It's a bad combat system. It was bad in and before WoW as well. Fights are all super boring. You aren't allowed to interact with the enemy in any real way which leads everything to be incredibly monotonous. Abilities lack real distinction. The only difference is the effect they apply, but the attack itself is all the same generic point-and-click. It's stilted. Not a single enemy in the game reacts to you in any way.

I knew this from level 1. People told me "get to endgame, it gets better." Well I did and the flow of combat didn't change a single bit since back then. It's the exact same shit with a slightly different skin and a couple more timers to manage. That's it. The core of the combat is the exact same as your level 1 slapfights.

this game would work so much better inside a wooden box with no windows or internal light source.
Just imagine the immersive content it would bring!

- lol sarcasm /off

Duty Finder made players lazy.
All those dungeon entrances for naught ; ;

People should definitely continue asking for more open world content as well as variety of content as a whole, feedback and suggestions are incredibly useful for developers when given constructively.

The only stipulation would be that players should put some real thought into suggestions before stating what it is that they want. That is the biggest issue I encounter with many suggestions and demands made on the forums. They tend to be reactionary or tainted by heavy nostalgia or bias, which often result in not getting what is actually wanted when given what was asked for because nobody bothered to stop to figure out what they really wanted and whether what they were asking for would give them that.

Keep the suggestions flowing I say, just make sure they are thought out first.

It's better to encourage SE to create open world content (that's actually better implemented/executed because the open world content we have currently is either a disaster or not really that special) because first of all, we are adventurers and it doesn't mean anything at all when all we do in the game is hang out in the same place or at homes because all the relevant content is separated from an instance, and that we could queue for them anytime and anywhere.

This game also has gorgeous zones and it's such a waste to make more of them in the future just for all of it to be irrelevant in endgame, other than gathering.

There is really no adventure to this game. Lol.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

We need contested nothing. Adding content that is camped by the same players with more time than most, isn't going to help the overworld feel more open, though it might just give those players something to epeen with.

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Actually it will make it feel more real. Also, if an area can be camped then the "Contested" Dungeon failed. Everquest 2 KoS/EoF are a good example of preventing camping because eventually if you stood in the same spot for long periods your group would be overwhelmed. The "regular mobs." in contested zones were as hard as names were, some of them were "names" from older zones as well.

The Average Vampire in EQ2's Mistmoore Castle, would knock you back, drain your life, mezmorize your healer, break aggro and go after your healer and knock them back as well.

Getting Knocked back a little bit, was a death sentence because you had to really watch your aggro. You could only pull 2 vampires max at a time or it was surely a wipe. In a room filled with 100s.

Also, the excuse is and always will be bad. There is plenty of content for "I can only play 30 minute a day Joe".

Nothing is more real then going into a dungeon and seeing other groups there. It makes the dungeon immersive, and also makes it so you can make a huge dungeon with nameds spread all over the place.

Your one of the reasons MMOs are so boring now honestly. Literally shoving everything into instances is killing games. MMOs should have NO instances whatsoever. The only reason it would be cramped is it would be the only contested dungeon in the game because its *gasp* actually fun to corporate and have to actually speak to other players.


In a contested dungeon, you have to speak to your group. You have to make sure nobody screws up and pulls for you or makes mistakes. You have to keep up, you can't be half-afk you have to be paying attention.

That is probably why most people hate it. Nobody likes paying attention or talking to other players. I imagine the average Duty Finder player is watching netflix with a nostromo running a rotation macro.

Has it ever occurred to you that some people might enjoy parts of the game that you dont?