PvP Stats/Gear

I'm confused as to how PvP works. If I buy the iLvl 180 gear, with moral I should be iLvl 210, right? However, the level 60 PvP areas sync you to item level 150 (Seal Rock) and I believe level 90 for Wolves den. So why buy the armor, I mean, other than appearance. 150 seal rock victories for just appearance? Sheesh, seems steep to me..

Also, materia is negated in PvP, so why is there a PvP material vendor selling materia that won't even improve your stats?

What am I missing here?

I love PvP! I want exclusive gear that makes me better in PvP, something to work toward. If you want to get better in PVE, you raise your level, get better gear, learn your class, and add materia, but in PvP, you learn your class, clench your cheeks, and hope you don't get gang banged or that your team doesn't ditch you mid fight...(I play Maelstrom, happens A LOT!)

Help me out here folks, what am I missing?

The ilvl 180 pvp gear helps u to push secondary stats but its not much of difference its more for wolves den 2 which is coming in 3.2. Its good that morale doesnt work in frontlines since it has no ranked matchmaking. You would get destroyed against rank50 ppl as a lower ranked player

Even still, Wolves is a dead game mode. There is no reward other than the sheer fun of beating on other heroes of light.

I understand the ranked thing, since the gear is rank locked, it stifles anyone who isn't high enough rank.

So essentially, Frontlines is more or less just PvP without any bonuses, wolves is PvP with gear bonuses?

I enjoy Frontlines...lol

Even still, Wolves is a dead game mode. There is no reward other than the sheer fun of beating on other heroes of light.

I understand the ranked thing, since the gear is rank locked, it stifles anyone who isn't high enough rank.

So essentially, Frontlines is more or less just PvP without any bonuses, wolves is PvP with gear bonuses?

I enjoy Frontlines...lol

The bandwagon argument is that in 3.2 i180 will make it BiS.

So really, you are spot on that it makes no sense whatsoever as of 3.0 to current. (Note BiS 3.2 Wolfs Den is mere conjecture)

My take on the whole debacle/shebang:
Left hand: Right hand: Project results:
Rank 50 PvP i180 gear. Ilevel cap of 160. Stupid fanboys.

You need i180 now anyway to get BiS.

What is BiS?

Best in slot

So in Frontlines the 180 is still technically BiS?

Not all of it, you need to find out your BiS with i150-i210 gear. All left side i180 PvP gear doesn't have any accuracy on it so it's a go to for PvPers.

How do you know what is considered BiS?

I mean, I know I want CC, And Det, so anything with both of those is a go to?

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Originally Posted by Grafeit

How do you know what is considered BiS?

I mean, I know I want CC, And Det, so anything with both of those is a go to?

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basically maximising the stats you want, and making sure they are capped after the sync, is BiS

os drg/pld/war/etc generally have crit det as BiS, astro is generally crit/pie and blm is crit/ss

Keep in mind as well that the item level sync is applied after the morale bonuses.So you are brought up to 210 and then sync'd back down to 150. This makes a small difference even in Frontlines, because, depending on the piece of gear in question and the secondary stat bonuses it has, some gear will place you slightly lower than the stat cap after the lvl sync, especially if the gear has otherwise useless secondary PvP stats (like Accuracy). PvP gear, on the other hand, will place you at cap as long as you are using it in the proper combination.

Before SE started handing out lvl 210 gear like it was an early Christmas, this actually amounted to a fairly sizable difference. the attack power of a player in a PvP set was above that of an equal player running in a PvE set, because their secondary stats were PvP tuned (High Det/Crit. Low Acc/Parry) and the ilvl sync benefited PvP gear stats by placing them closer to the stat cap instead of just below it. However, now that the average item level of PvE gear is meeting PvP Morale bonuses (again, in the proper combinations only) the difference is far less noticeable. If i remember correctly, Tanks see the biggest stat gains, but it's not a big difference in practice anymore.

Wolves Den, however, is a different story. If SE finally releases the Wolves Den update they've been promising for a while now, there will be no question as to which gear is better in that game mode. Morale and Materia bonuses on PvP gear will far exceed the PvE stats, even at a difference in ilvl.

Is there a way I can look up stat caps? Especially for iLvl 150.

I would assume just look at a item level 150 piece of gear.

Ideally a HQ Ilvl 150 item. I think that's what it syncs down to.

Ok, how can I check what I'm at when I sync down? Just get into Frontlines and do it during the beginning phase?