Another Anima Thread (not a whine)

Okay, so i've just got to the grindy phase of anima. And i've got to admit, while i'm not happy, i'm not unhappy either.

I realised before it came out yeah it was gonna be a grind. But several factors of this:

It's measurable progress. Yeah, it's a LOT of it, but still measurable all the same.
I can gear up other classes while grinding.
No matter how much it's complained about, the grind is still going to be there. We'll get there eventually.

The fate grind part, not so keen on, but it can be done on any class, so i'll use that to level too.


All said, i really don't mind having a number to aim for. Long time to go, but still i can say i have x amount left.


Just some thoughts, queue rage posts lol.

I don't mind the numbers to a degree. And by that, I mean step 1's grind is fine, step 2's dungeon tour is AWESOME, and step 3's token system, while expectedly long, is still fine. But the crafted items? That's my only head shaker here. Remove those or lower the amount needed to 1 of each type and we'll be golden~

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

I don't mind the numbers to a degree. And by that, I mean step 1's grind is fine, step 2's dungeon tour is AWESOME, and step 3's token system, while expectedly long, is still fine. But the crafted items? That's my only head shaker here. Remove those or lower the amount needed to 1 of each type and we'll be golden~

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You don't know any crafters?

My buddy made me all 16 items for about 10k each

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Originally Posted by Ashelia_Ferron

You don't know any crafters?

My buddy made me all 16 items for about 10k each

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None who are level 60 or are specialists.

i just think it come a little late. much a so grindy late weapon don't make sense to me, because you wish to use it because 3.2 is coming out. or it's just a trophy.
I would be glad to get relic quest before next time^^

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Originally Posted by Ashelia_Ferron

You don't know any crafters?

My buddy made me all 16 items for about 10k each

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Nope. I know one crafter who can do some of this stuff for me, but not all of it. Besides, I can never pay for it.

I don't craft. Firstly, I find it uber-boring. Secondly, and more importantly, I only ever get a short time to play in the evenings. Wasting that precious time on crafting is a waste of my subscription, especially considering I don't even enjoy it. That's fine, really, but the real problem is that this game is designed so that pretty much the only way you can make money is by crafting and exploiting prices on the MB. There really aren't any other lucrative alternatives except maybe selling Raid Clears, but even that is only available to people who have a regularly scheduled static party. So that's pretty much a no go as well.

This means that I don't have the money to pay for the kind of prices crafter's ask for. 10 k here and there isn't bad, and your crafting buddy is pretty generous to do it all for 160k... but on my server crafters are charging anywhere between 3 - 6 million. So, players without the crafting cash cow get locked out of this content, because we're just not hardcore enough to sit around and craft, I guess. It's not the end of the world or anything, but it kind of sucks.

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Originally Posted by Februs

Nope. I know one crafter who can do some of this stuff for me, but not all of it. Besides, I can never pay for it.

I don't craft. Firstly, I find it uber-boring. Secondly, and more importantly, I only ever get a short time to play in the evenings. Wasting that precious time on crafting is a waste of my subscription, especially considering I don't even enjoy it. That's fine, really, but the real problem is that this game is designed so that pretty much the only way you can make money is by crafting and exploiting prices on the MB. There really aren't any other lucrative alternatives except maybe selling Raid Clears, but even that is only available to people who have a regularly scheduled static party. So that's pretty much a no go as well.

This means that I don't have the money to pay for the kind of prices crafter's ask for. 10 k here and there isn't bad, and your crafting buddy is pretty generous to do it all for 160k... but on my server crafters are charging anywhere between 3 - 6 million. So, players without the crafting cash cow get locked out of this content, because we're just not hardcore enough to sit around and craft, I guess. It's not the end of the world or anything, but it kind of sucks.

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I will say, I'm pretty accepting about most of the quest. The one aspect about that does actually irk me is the crafting part. Not because of how much the items are being sold for, but because they are all specialist recipes, meaning you can only possibly make 3 of them on your own, unless you have crafting mules. Even though I'd probably still not get my crafters to the point that I could make all the items on my own, I'd accept it a little better if that was at least doable. I'm lucky, my FC is the largest on our server, and I know I can get everything made in house. But I do know most people aren't lucky enough to have access to so many veteran crafters.

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Originally Posted by Zophar

I will say, I'm pretty accepting about most of the quest. The one aspect about that does actually irk me is the crafting part. Not because of how much the items are being sold for, but because they are all specialist recipes, meaning you can only possibly make 3 of them on your own, unless you have crafting mules.

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Exactly right.

I don't mind the grind, honestly. The Atma farming-ish part is a little irksome for those of us who are very unlucky, but it's not that bad (especially compared to original Atma) and you can do it on any job. So no big deal. You get a sense of actual progress from the dungeon crawl, so that's great. Even the item farming is not terrible. It's a bit excessive, to be honest (given that the amount of time it would take will effectively make the weapon outdated soon after you get it. Assuming 3.2 is not far away), but even that is measurable progress, and I get to actually run content to do it. So, as far as I'm concerned, it's fine.

The Crafting, though, is a total nightmare. You can't do it alone, even if you do craft. The specialty system, I've been told, is not all that great to begin with and RnG only makes it worse. It costs HUGE sums of gill to bypass, which you also can't do if you're not into crafting in the first place... I was actually looking forward to the grind for this weapon, but knowing that I'll hit a brick wall once I get to the crafting part is kind of a turn off to even bother with it. Which also kind of sucks, because 3.15 didn't really give us anything else to do.

I think the whole crafting part is a social experiment. They know the economy and that everybody won't have all this money, I think they are trying to see if people will come together as a community and help each other out and not take advantage of others, at least thats what I hope will happen.

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Originally Posted by Shug

I think the whole crafting part is a social experiment. They know the economy and that everybody won't have all this money, I think they are trying to see if people will come together as a community and help each other out and not take advantage of others, at least thats what I hope will happen.

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They'll see just how bad it truly is on this side of the pacific in the end, for you won't encounter as many helpful people as you might on the Japanese servers.

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Originally Posted by Shug

I think the whole crafting part is a social experiment. They know the economy and that everybody won't have all this money, I think they are trying to see if people will come together as a community and help each other out and not take advantage of others, at least thats what I hope will happen.

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That's very hopeful of you... but SE should know better. They've done this experiment before and it failed.

The Zodiac weapon required HQ crafting, and people charged an arm and a leg for it. It costs millions when it came out, and to this day still costs hundreds of thousands of gill on MB. Not to mention materia costs. All you have to do is Spirit Bond some gear, but people abused those prices too. It was a rare day when Savage Might IV was less than a mil on the MB back when the Zodiac was still BiS.

If SE really is thinking people are going to be nice to one another and help each other out, then they're either incredibly foolish or blind. You don't make a system that is designed to benefit one type of player only, and then expect that player to not abuse it.

It seems to me most of the posts on this thread are people who are irked about the crafting. Gotta say, I agree. I did get all crafters to level 50 pre-HW, but after that i lost all interest in it. Nowadays, I'm happy if i make enough gil for repairs from dungeons / raids, so the crafting aspect is kinda outta my reach.

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Originally Posted by Februs

That's very hopeful of you... but SE should know better. They've done this experiment before and it failed.

If SE really is thinking people are going to be nice to one another and help each other out, then they're either incredibly foolish or blind. You don't make a system that is designed to benefit one type of player only, and then expect that player to not abuse it.

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That's is like saying. Why make 210 raiding gear only available to those who are in a raiding guild. Currently, AS is only available to one type of group, and they get the best rewards. Is it so bad that crafters finally get a piece of the pie?

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Originally Posted by Aniond

That's is like saying. Why make 210 raiding gear only available to those who are in a raiding guild. Currently, AS is only available to one type of group, and they get the best rewards. Is it so bad that crafters finally get a piece of the pie?

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That's not true. You can clear savage raids without a static raid group. There are Ls's, FC runs, PF PuG parties. Lots of people have gotten through raids without being "hardcore" raiders. It's just not nearly as easy, because finding 4 Dps who are capable of meeting the Dps without eating the floor is like winning the lottery 4 times in a row.

Regardless, Alexander Savage is available to everyone. It's just not for everyone. Same goes for Crafting. Anyone can do it (kind of... the specialist thing kind of puts a restriction on exactly how much crafting you can do on one Avi, but it's the same principle). It's just not for everyone. The difference is that Raiders dependent on crafters. Whereas Crafters are dependent on no one but themselves.

Raiding does not make you money. If anything, it costs far more then you will ever make. You fail far more times than you succeed, and each wipe has repair costs. If you really want to progress, then you have to shell out millions of gill on melded accessories. Now, if you want a 210 weapon to get an little boost, you have to pay for that too. During all of this spending of gill, you are making no gill in return. Players who raid and enjoy running dungeons do not get to make money while they do what they enjoy, but they still have to pay if they want to actually take the part of the game they do enjoy seriously.

Crafters, on the other hand, always turn a profit when they craft. They pay for the resources, sure ( though die-hard crafting enthusiasts don't even do that and gather supplies for themselves), but the finished product always nets them a profit. They control the prices, and players who don't craft are forced to either pay up or go without. The crafter, charging exorbitant prices for their items, makes FAR more than what it cost them to make, so they can keep on making more and more with escalating returns on each sale (on my server, last I checked, Kingcake is going for 1.5 mil each at a combined cost of 6 million per bundle of 4. Easy money).

It has always been this way. Zodiac weapon crafting requirements were the exact same. Melded accessories are, and have always been, handled this way. It's not that crafters are finally getting a piece of the pie. They own the pie and are charging people for the pieces they cut off from it.