FFXIV is one of the most beautiful games out there, with a wonderful story, and numerous entertaining quests. 3.0 was one of the best expansions of any MMO in history, with tons to do.
Yet I barely ever log in anymore, or care about the game.
FFXI was a great game because it was a massive open world with adventures around every corner. The game felt big, and the game always had a sense of progression.
But all FFXIV seems to do is repeat itself, killing it's past success in the process.
Every patch is a new grind.
Everyone rushes to that same grind
And in that grind's dust is old content, with no incentive to complete
People seek the shortest path to succeed at the new grind, because most people don't enjoy the grind.
Fun parts of FFXIV just die off.
No one really does wolfs den
older forms of frontlines are pretty well dead
very few people do guildhests
almost no one does the old raid dungeons
etc.
FFXIV keeps releasing all this great content.
And then killing it a month later.
At the moment I can't even get into a Lord of Verminion match because there are essentially 0 people doing them.
And then instead of creating a "fun" grind that lets people "choose" what they do, they create a fake sense of a choice.
You can either grind dungeons slowly
Grind beastment even more slowly
or you can just spam alexander
All the old things that were fun are just ignored.
Why not make anima quests dynamic?
Let you get 1 item from doing 5 guildhests each day
1 item from a random drop in zone X off mob X
1 item from random-dungeon X
etc.
Basically create a game that is more than just spam these 3 or 4 new dungeons 100+ times.
I love FFXIV as a concept
But as a game, it's a repetitive rewardless grind
That only refreshes itself every few months with a new mindless grind
Cloned from a past one
What happened to the creativity in FFXI:
where each endgame zone was a drastically different experience
where cities got attacked in massive PVE events
where you could go defend a small outpost from waves and waves of mobs (even solo)
where leveling up was always an experience. Having to find a safe spot. And having the possibility of death.
FFXIV just feels like you are always overlevelled, killing trash, and getting nothing in return.
Where did the creativity go?
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12-18-2015, 12:42 PMAzurymberWhere did the creativity go?
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12-18-2015, 12:53 PMLone-wolfe-02
Because they no longer have to try and impress people. In 2.0 they had to recover from the 1.0 disaster which they did so now they have no reason to try harder.
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12-18-2015, 12:58 PMGideonHighmournMore likely that they showed us all the creativity they had with 2.0, and now can only go back to copy-and-paste, given their smaller development team; it worked once, why wouldn't it work again?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lone-wolfe-02
Right? -
12-18-2015, 02:09 PMValoiz
"You can either grind dungeons slowly
Grind beastment even more slowly
or you can just spam alexander"
Is just sad... and i already paid several months i am not going to enjoy at all... -
12-19-2015, 12:53 AMCwestcott18
Well I guess its good you quit, because you solved all your problems by yourself lol
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12-19-2015, 12:58 AMSpookyGhost
That was a very nice poem, OP.
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12-19-2015, 01:13 AMKaurieYou had me until you listed those as fun content.Quote:
Originally Posted by Azurymber
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12-19-2015, 01:40 AMValkyrie-Amber
ikr... like this game has so much potential.... even if you have a small team of developers surly you can hire a few more or better yet merge the XI staff with the XIV staff and then XIV would soon be amazeing
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12-19-2015, 01:42 AMIromi
As someone who has been here since alpha testing 1.0, and never stopped playing...I can safely say the creativity ended with 1.23. That game at the very end was turning out to be a very unique and creative thing...then well, you see what we have now. :/ Potential is there, but they are too scared...which in the end, will be their loss. :(
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12-19-2015, 01:44 AMAzurymberSome people do find them fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaurie
Personally I love pvp and triple triad
My issue is that this game has tons of content. yet most of it's just wasted or dead.
Would make a lot more sense to spread out activity over all content, so that people could pick the parts of the game they find fun, and focus on that. -
12-19-2015, 01:45 AMBlood-Aki
Nothing about PVP in an MMO is "fun" obviously subjective but majority of the playerbase forget it even exists, and guild heists are probably the most boring thing IN this game,
There is no reason to do the old raid dungeons because the gear is outdated and useless, even new players don't really bother with them.
If you find these things fun it's no wonder you don't like this game. -
12-19-2015, 01:48 AMKaurieHaha well I was kind of kidding. Though, it's all opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Azurymber
I'd say that if a piece of content is 'dying off' then it's most likely not that fun >.>
I literally spend my entire time in Frontlines hoping the other team will kill us faster, so that I can get my tomes and go. That isn't to say I don't try, I don't want to hold my team back, I just don't care.
I agree that if they insist on doing the relic this way, then they could have added more ways to buy items (mgp, wolf marks etc). That said, you do get Law for doing PvP. It's slightly slower than other methods, but say if you love PvP and hate dungeons and/or Alex, then it makes sense to spend (throwing random numbers, I did not do the math) 300 hours grinding pvp than 200 grinding Alex.
PS: eww.. triple triad. -
12-19-2015, 01:50 AMValkyrie-Amber
umm PVP is actually more fun than running same old duty 1000k times.....
Speaking of witch a map like seal rock with a capture the flag and bring it to base would make things a real challenge. -
12-19-2015, 01:52 AMKaurieQuote:
Originally Posted by Valkyrie-Amber
Again this is entirely opinion :P I'd say running an old duty > PvP.
Granted PvP >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Crafting, so. -
12-19-2015, 01:52 AMAzurymber
I would love to just grind pvp for my law
Except that there are usually hour long wait times to get into a single match
so it would take months or years. -
12-19-2015, 01:53 AMKaurieWhat order are you with? My queue times are usually under 5 minutes for PvP with Twin Adder. Maybe you should jump ship?Quote:
Originally Posted by Azurymber
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12-19-2015, 01:55 AMWhiteroomI was thinking the same sadly.Quote:
Originally Posted by GideonHighmourn
I hate how they rely so much on burn out overgrind, it's a cruch that they really need to get rid of. It totally kills enjoyment. I don't mind long grinds, but variaty helps. The very first relic quest was nice.
I do like some lessons they learned, like you only have to leave the dungeon with your relic equipped, rather than kill the boss. I don't like that they didn't learn that offering an alt friendly game and then forcing you into one roll via overgrind is stupid. The lack of creativity in bothe the relic quest and diadem was shocking though. -
12-19-2015, 01:58 AMValkyrie-Amber
yes crafting is fun too :) though gathering can become boring after an hour.... but you need to do both or spend a tone of gil for mats...
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12-19-2015, 02:01 AMCritical-Limit
FFXI had those properties OP because it was strong horizontal progression. Ffxiv is the complete
Opposite with strong vertical progression.
FFXI got away with making grinds like me going 1/149 on leaping Lizzie boots because once you got the drop it was good and relevant Nearly forever and it's was like a level 7 item or something.
Ffxiv can't give you that much to do because there are clear cut best in slot items so people grind one thing until they get it.
While FFXI if you got tired of camping Lizzie boots you could go grind for something else that you haven't got yet. You had 1,000 relevant items you could get. While ffxiv has like 18 relevant items for your job.
But the argument people use here against horizontal progression is always " I don't want to carry 9 different weapons" -
12-19-2015, 02:08 AMksuisaCarrying 9 weapons in ffxiv is a big deal since you know "memory limitations".Quote:
Originally Posted by Critical-Limit
Couldn't even have enough weapons for 3 classes with the current inventory system.
Not going against horizontal progression as this game desperately needs it but with their current excuses it's not possible. -
12-19-2015, 02:20 AMCritical-LimitI don't understand memory limitations.Quote:
Originally Posted by ksuisa
They could always make a system where once I get say relic weapon. Why can't I trade it to a Npc who essentially destroys it and just puts a little check mark on my account so if I need it again the game can "re-create" pretending it's the same peice of gear
Isn't that what those AF armor NPCs did in FFXI? They were basically AF vendors that only gave you for free what you had already. Obviously any dyed gear would be changed back to neutral color. -
12-19-2015, 02:29 AMnewzarbAlso in FFXI items had a lot more different properties : stas boosts, haste, accuracy, evasion, elemental effects / resistance, occasionnally do something, store TP, enhance skills/traits etc etc. There was some kind of theorycraft for most jobs and depending on situations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Critical-Limit
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12-19-2015, 02:35 AMDercetoThis about where i sit in terms of ARR's reception and execution.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iromi
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12-19-2015, 03:01 AMLambdafishDoesn't that already exist though? Isn't that what the calamity salvager is?Quote:
Originally Posted by Critical-Limit
what would be better I think is an overhaul to the armoire system. -
12-19-2015, 04:18 AMKaurie
If I were to overhaul the system, I would remove the armor inventory completely.
I'd add a glamour wardrobe where it saves unlocked Glamour's that you can pick and choose from.
I'd make it so everyone has one armor piece for each slot that they always wear. You then unlock upgraded stats for each job through consumables. You'd roll on those consumables now like you roll on gear. (I.e. a drop would be ilvl 210 upgrade (JOB)). Once you use it, your weapon is set to a 210 minimum.
Then there would be horizontal profession stats. So I have +100 crit unlocked, +75 SS etc etc. I'd get to choose to use 2 of any that I've unlocked. I'd also add more flair stats, that just changed how effects work or possibly how you do your rotation. Naturally, the better side stats would drop from the more difficult content (like maybe 60 CRIT drops at Rav, 90 CRIT from Thordan EX, 105 CRIT from A3S or whatever)
Essentially, there would be no items but your character simply unlocks stats, effects and Glamour's and let's you piece them together.
I feel this would drastically decrease server load from the inventory system and allow for more customization, greater simplicity and fewer inventory problems.