Graniteskin

When is WHM going to get graniteskin back instead of the quicker cast stoneskin? Even stoneskin 2 was nerfed.

This trait was really unique and useful to WHM, but now the stoneskin effect gets used almost immediately.
Iwould really like to have this back, i hope others do too.

I dont see why this was changed in the first place.

Never. Their justification? 18% (was it 18%?) would have been overpowered with the increasing health bars. Or some mumbo-jumbo like that.

Just out of curiosity, my scholar is only i185-ish, what kinda of shield does a critted adlo give for scholar at around i200?

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Originally Posted by karateorangutang

Just out of curiosity, my scholar is only i185-ish, what kinda of shield does a critted adlo give for scholar at around i200?

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I've seen some 9K crits on WARs from a an i207 SCH

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Originally Posted by TatoRazzino

I've seen some 9K crits on WARs from a an i207 SCH

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So that's a 18 k shield then?

On that same WAR, if they are geared for raiding with melded or str gear, would only give a shield for about 2-3 k. I know that SCH is the protection healer, but I dont think doubling the capacity on stoneskin would change that much in the grand scheme of things anyway would it?

Again, I play healer for funsies in four mans, I only raid on Monk and War.

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Originally Posted by karateorangutang

So that's a 18 k shield then?

On that same WAR, if they are geared for raiding with melded or str gear, would only give a shield for about 2-3 k. I know that SCH is the protection healer, but I dont think doubling the capacity on stoneskin would change that much in the grand scheme of things anyway would it?

Again, I play healer for funsies in four mans, I only raid on Monk and War.

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He's most definitely talking about the shield already being doubled. I'm at i203 and I only get 4.3k crits on WARs, there's no way in hell you're going to be hitting a 9k crit adlo.

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Originally Posted by VitalSuit

He's most definitely talking about the shield already being doubled. I'm at i203 and I only get 4.3k crits on WARs, there's no way in hell you're going to be hitting a 9k crit adlo.

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Convalescence, monk mantra, and defiance. I saw adlo crit for almost 6k as a warrior way back in 2.X.

Stoneskin being 10% is fine how it is. A bit more and its too strong a bit less and its too weak.
I do think Quick Stoneskin is also not that good though. I mean, its not bad, it helps! But maybe making it 2s like any other heal instead of 2.5s would be better.

Why is graniteskin overpowered? Dont mobs hit us proportionately harder than mobs at 50 did?

Because astro would cry in the corner with their 10% stoneskin.

It was changed along with the implementation of astro so that whm wouldn't be mandatory in progression raiding. 18% as opposed to 10% mitigation on tank busters would be hard to pass up. It's the same reason they gave proshell to everyone. If it wasn't changed one of the healer slots would be locked to whm specifically for those two spells.

The strength on Stoneskin is not about the percentage but about the fact it stacks with Galvanize.

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Originally Posted by Sunako

Because astro would cry in the corner with their 10% stoneskin.

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My point exactly, they dont cry because they dont get quick cast stoneskin because its not as useful.

Each healer has their benefits, and graniteskin was one of WHMs.

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Originally Posted by EZ5902

Each healer has their benefits, and graniteskin was one of WHMs.

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Fast stoneskin may seem weak but its not useless and it's there. So its also one of WHM benefits. Just weaker than the old benefit.
Same goes for Enhanced Medica, that trait is really cool.

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Originally Posted by zuzu-bq

Fast stoneskin may seem weak but its not useless and it's there. So its also one of WHM benefits. Just weaker than the old benefit.
Same goes for Enhanced Medica, that trait is really cool.

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I'm still on the side that the loss of graniteskin was a direct nerf to a core identity of White Mage. Even Yoship did apologize for it during an early live letter because it was to make AST viable, but also said they made up for it with the stronger healing toolkit. Still, a fast 10% stoneskin costs the same as Cure II at level 60. So it's not only weaker in mitigation, it's weak in the MP cost department. Can argue you are better off healing the damage either through direct heal or regen in most situations because they probably didn't need the extra HP. If you have free GCD, sure toss it up, or DPS. It's still a bit more than just a percentage nerf.

Of course the Stoneskin nerf was made for both reasons, because 18% were too strong and to help AST to fit more in raid. And yes, stoneskin is weaker now, at the same time still usefull.

Saying it was a nerf to its core, there I disagree. WHM's core is to have burst Healing and Damage with high potency spells. Nerfing a shielding spell is not a nerf to WHM's soul and essence.

As it stands right now stone skin is a complete waste of MP. It was fine at 18% as a single target strong shield. It didn't take away from SCH shields because it was not AoE. My WHM is at 56 right now and my Cure II for the same MP is healing for twice as much as a stone skin on someone with 20,000 hp.

Well, strictly speaking Stoneskin was still a waste of MP when looking at amount mitigated compared to Cure II. Even back then a Stoneskin (at 18%) wouldn't match up to Cure II in terms of potency. In both GCD as well as MP efficiency, Stoneskin was and still is lacking in efficiency for it's "potency"

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Originally Posted by karateorangutang

Just out of curiosity, my scholar is only i185-ish, what kinda of shield does a critted adlo give for scholar at around i200?

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I'm i209 SCH and I've hit 5.5k crit on a war. So, 11k shield.

You can't compare efficiency of a pure shielding spell to a pure healing spell. And Stoneskin is not a waste of MP, its just extremely situational just like other skills most healer has are situational. As a spell of few uses it looks useless since most times it would be bad, but at that perfect moment, its either amazing or the best thing you have.

I actually don't think most of WHM's abilities are situational at all. In fact, SS is now probably the most situational ability in their entire toolkit - moreso than Cure III. Its usefulness has been that severely diminished. Divine Seal? PoM? I use them constantly. Stoneskin? Two opportunities, really

Even if only from a lore perspective I agree with the post saying it has damaged part of the WHM's identity, which is in Conjuration, power over Earth, Wind, and Water spells.

AST has instant shields that do more than Stoneskin does, and they can cast Stoneskin. I'm not sure why they would be complaining with 10%? They also have the 10% damage reduction from Collective Unconscious. Boom, there's the extra 10% they have for "balance" if they really need it for a tank buster.

AST also has Disable, which stacks with Virus.

Meanwhile, WHM's mitigation has been completely nerfed to the ground but their curing hasn't been buffed enough to justify their status as as "power healers," especially when a SCH going full on healing will still be curing for more due to their fairy.

It's about balance. The identity of WHM is not around Stoneskin, it's around having big burst healing spells built in their GCD and having the biggest burst in damage when accuracy is not an issue. Mitigation is a core component of SCH and it's also a component of AST, so there's absolutely no loss in removing the Graniteskin trait because WHMs are not a shielding job.

Stoneskin is supposed to be situational and you use when you absolutely need extra shielding; if you don't, then WHM is not supposed to have an easy access shield with all the other healing options they have.

And the fairy does not heal the same as it used to heal. A Physick + Embrace heals for less than a Cure II and little over a Cure + Regen. WHM is still the king of group healing. Mitigation would make it unbalanced. New jobs will always make the old ones get adjustments and most likely nerfs. Wait until this game has four or five healing jobs and you'll see the specific niches being highlighted.