"Glamour is the End Game"...What do you feel when you hear that?

Apologies in advance if this thread was already made. I notice people saying it a lot in many threads and I do agree that glamour is this game's big part of end game. So I was curious how that made people REALLY feel.

Makes me feel that it is incorrect, because we all know fishing is the real endgame.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

Makes me feel that it is incorrect, because we all know fishing is the real endgame.

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Fishing TRUE ENDGAME!

But glamour is a nice second choice ;)

People say it because of a combination of the facts that the game's itemization system is so linear and content gets outdated so quickly that the only lasting goals or real point of character customization is glamour at this point.

It's sad but true.

Maybe it'll change in 3.2+ but meh.

I am enjoying glamouring my jobs but I wouldn't exactly call it endgame. But I do spend more time on this than actual raiding (savage)

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Originally Posted by KitingGenbu

Apologies in advance if this thread was already made. I notice people saying it a lot in many threads and I do agree that glamour is this game's big part of end game. So I was curious how that made people REALLY feel.

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Not sure if you're asking for a definition, but just in case..."End game" as used in the statement means its the most important aspect of the game. So someone who says Glamour is their end game is saying that Glamour is the most important aspect of the game for them.

As for how it makes me feel? I agree with the sentiment. I personally get a lot of enjoyment out of glamouring gear sets. I feel the idea gains a lot of traction in FFXIV because gear doesn't offer much excitement except for glamour purposes. A piece of gear with 20 strength is about as exciting as a piece of gear worth 21 strength.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

Makes me feel that it is incorrect, because we all know fishing is the real endgame.

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Anyone who disagrees has clearly either never tried to catch a legendary fish, or has simply gotten REALLY lucky, (still haven't had any luck with that cursed Titanic Sawfish, and it's one of the easy ones). Fishing for scripts is actually a really dumb downed version, which any level 60 fisher is thankful for.....

The game has no lasting content, so yeah glamour and ponies are end game.

But this has been said countless time.

I always read it as a joke, personally. Glamour is fun - at least, I think so. And since there's not much incentive or fun in leveling alts (imo), it's nice to be able to change my one character's look pretty easily.

It can also take a lot of time and, sometimes, a lot of money to put together good sets. Sometimes longer than getting actual gear upgrades. :p

Makes me cringe because SE knows this and knows how to capitalize on the player base who is more than willing to pay extra.

It's the truth, that's what it is.
I wouldn't be playing this game if it had bad aesthetics and such.

I wouldn't say glamour is end game cause there are not enough nice looking sets of gear anywhere in the game to actually strive for :rolleyes:

Thats just my personal taste of course, but 5 min at some start npcs and another 5 min at the mb pretty much covers 99% of all decent looking gear. FFXIV does not have the nicest armor styles sadly and many are recolored carbon copies of each other.

Mind you if ppl say its end game, it wouldn't bother me one bit, what matters to me, is how I feel ;)

I wouldn't care. Everyone has their own different goals for endgame, whether it be crafting, gathering, glamour, PvP or Alexander Savage.

Glamour is endgame.

Raid gear gets outdated fast, the token system is horrible and boring. Then when you get raid gear or token gear, what can you do with it? Stand around town? There's no open world bosses, nothing to really farm for shiny loots where gear would actually matter. And in dungeons your sync'd down and your stats are sync'd down as well. Why even bother actually progressing for that one night a week?

Not to mention the stats on the gear is beyond boring.

Glamours can be an endgame goal, and there's nothing wrong with that as long as it makes said players happy. It's not my endgame goal, but I have to admit that my playtime is turning into a game of dress-up (or dress-down, if you will, when my character is in a skimpy glamour).

Glamour isnt my endgame. I find one set I like and stick with it. Only dying it once and awhile.

Glamour and story is pretty much why I play this game. I grind all jobs to max level to see the stories, I grind all crafts(+gatherers) as far as I can to be able to craft all the glamour I like. Back when First Coil was The Raid, I did it just for the pretty healer set. :x I'm not too excited to do Void Ark since the gear in there looks terrible.

I also used to roleplay a lot, so that kept me subbing even when I was running out of things to do. Not sure what'll happen once I get all my jobs to 60. Maybe I'll just go buy a PS4 and go countdown the days till FFXV.

It's true. Once you reach a certain stage, most of your playtime goes to mechanical farming and capping tokens. There is little incentive to do anything but slap the highest ilvl gear on your character because there is no way to costumize your skills/gear to your playstyle (it's the same for everyone). The only things uncapped that require real input from the player are glamour and gold saucer, but they managed to turn even the simplest of games like TT and Chocobo racing in hardcore grinds so making your character look pretty and decorating your house/room is just about the only thing that's left.

Also, if you level a crafter, unless you plan on solely making money, glamour items are basically all you can craft (that and raid food). And even if you only plan on making money, there is nothing to spend gil on except glamour items as everything else requires untradable token, so it all comes back to glamour anyway.

Sad and i end up wondering why i waste so much time on the game but continue to play.

Nothing. I have nothing to do with people's playstyle, and if they like to work towards great glamours, let them be. More beautiful people in Eorzea!

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Originally Posted by Ryel

People say it because of a combination of the facts that the game's itemization system is so linear and content gets outdated so quickly that the only lasting goals or real point of character customization is glamour at this point.

It's sad but true.

Maybe it'll change in 3.2+ but meh.

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Nailed it.

It is infuriating at times when I think about it and often has me second guess my decision to keep playing. But I do love a lot about this game and the friends I have made in it so I suppose the pros still out weigh the cons for me.

It is absolutely true OP.

one-hundred percent true.

this game is fashion souls online.

The real end game is fussing about things on the forum.

Glamour is TRUE ENDGAME.

I never can understand why people go on and on about items being replaced. Personally if I was forced to use the same item forever my interest would wane insanely fast. I'm motivated to attain gear if they look awesome. Not over a few numbers. What are those numbers good for anyway? Beating a bigger baddie? Why? For better gear with bigger numbers on it? Haven't we just come full circle then? Horizontal progression is stupid and boring. Even if you attained some item that had some kinda gameplay effect to it, making it last nigh forever what would that accomplish. I'll tell you what, it's make it so you have a permanent item slot so you never have to change the glamour you've placed on it. Do people complaining about vertical progression and glamour even know what they want really? I dunno. I just can't understand it seems.

I have spent more time running back and forth between the MB and my gear retainers, trying things on, dying stuff, accidentally buying the wrong prisms, and agonizing over which pair of stockings *really* matches that top, than I ever have in raid content (and I raided throughout ARR!). Sometimes it takes me hours to get a glamour right and my friends all laugh at me.

So yeah, when I hear that...I nod in agreement.

What do I spend my time doing? Making outfits.

Where do I spend all the money I make? Buying outfits.

Why do I level all the jobs? More outfit choices.

I settled on bard main because it fits my playstyle, and I use SCH as my back up non DPS job for the same reason. But once those are geared out, 99% of my remaining gear decisions are made on "What will look the coolest on my other jobs?" Any activity I pursue is in the interest of cool looking gear. Whether that's leveling more jobs, running content like Void Ark (currently after body pieces from there now), or making millions of gil on the market boards.

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Originally Posted by Ryel

People say it because of a combination of the facts that the game's itemization system is so linear and content gets outdated so quickly that the only lasting goals or real point of character customization is glamour at this point.

It's sad but true.

Maybe it'll change in 3.2+ but meh.

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Interestingly, I change my glamour and appearance more often than I change my gear.

Everything we work for is glamours lol. Gear gets replaced in the blink of an eye.

The real problem I see here is that whilst glamour does indeed seem to be the de facto endgame for most players due to a lack of ways to progress their character, the game itself does not properly support glamour given how much of a focus it has. If glamour is the endgame here then we need a proper glamour wardrobe system to save all item appearances and not use up inventory space. It's hard to work on unlocking glamour options for your character when you only have room for a few options in your inventory and retainers...

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Originally Posted by Ryel

People say it because of a combination of the facts that the game's itemization system is so linear and content gets outdated so quickly that the only lasting goals or real point of character customization is glamour at this point.

It's sad but true.

Maybe it'll change in 3.2+ but meh.

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This.

Thordan's Reign is 1 month old, and once relics drop next week it will be completely worthless for anything other than (you guessed it) glamour.

How do I feel when I hear "Glamour is the real End Game"? It makes me miss the 1.0/FFXI days when End Game was about gathering with your whole LS to take down Great Buffalo or do leves together. Really just being with your whole LS not having to say "sorry Bob party is full.. find your own static"

I do enjoy Glamour, the gear in this game is beautiful, but I feel that even the glamour system is half-assed just like everything else in this game.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Makes me cringe because SE knows this and knows how to capitalize on the player base who is more than willing to pay extra.

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SE knows this, but also facilitates it through their itemization system.

I find it funny given that, yes, I have a substantial collection of gear whose only future is as glamour... I don't use any of it for anything save wasting space. My favorite glamours are my 1.0 collectibles... don't judge me!

Ponies are the true end-game. If you don't have a Kirin, you're just a casual.

I don't have a Kirin BTW. ;)

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Originally Posted by KitingGenbu

Apologies in advance if this thread was already made. I notice people saying it a lot in many threads and I do agree that glamour is this game's big part of end game. So I was curious how that made people REALLY feel.

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It really feels like a large portion of the community is playing Barbie's magical eorzean adventure.

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

I don't have a Kirin BTW. ;)

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Filthy casual.

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Originally Posted by Avidria

I always read it as a joke, personally. Glamour is fun - at least, I think so. And since there's not much incentive or fun in leveling alts (imo), it's nice to be able to change my one character's look pretty easily.

It can also take a lot of time and, sometimes, a lot of money to put together good sets. Sometimes longer than getting actual gear upgrades. :p

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Pretty much this.

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Originally Posted by Khaoticsuccubus

Horizontal progression is stupid and boring. Even if you attained some item that had some kinda gameplay effect to it, making it last nigh forever what would that accomplish. I'll tell you what, it's make it so you have a permanent item slot so you never have to change the glamour you've placed on it. Do people complaining about vertical progression and glamour even know what they want really? I dunno. I just can't understand it seems.

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If you weren't trying to be so dramatic you would think there is a compromise between changing your gear every patch (sometimes skipping entire sets because it takes more to gear up than for new gear to get released) and not changing it ever.

Also, you change your glamour when you want to change your look, regardless of the stats on your actual gear. What you're saying makes no sense.

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Originally Posted by Khaoticsuccubus

I never can understand why people go on and on about items being replaced. Personally if I was forced to use the same item forever my interest would wane insanely fast.

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I don't think anyone is actually asking to never replace gear. Part of MMOs is getting new gear sets everyone once in awhile. However replacing gear that already really has no "real" purpose every 3-4 month is a bit too fast, especially since it takes 3-4 months to even get the complete set. I get some people don't want to wait a year like with other MMOs, but there has to be a happy medium some where.

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What are those numbers good for anyway? Beating a bigger baddie?

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You don't play many mmos do you?