"The New Thing" people are doing on Diadem and screwing people over

So the new thing for people is to queue up for Diadem, go through and get all the objectives to complete the mission and then promptly leave. Now this really screws people over that want to go in and farm for spoils or gear. I have had it happen 4 runs in a row and I think it needs to be fixed. They need to set up something so that the people who actually want to be there don't get penalized for staying. It takes about 15-30 minutes to get a group and then when you do this repeatedly happens. I know they reduced the time you have to wait to go, but when it happens constantly, it makes it impossible to get anything decent. Why not make it so that the esoterics are not received until the conclusion of the time limit for those still in the group? Also I recommend that they get penalized for leaving early, much like is done for other duties. This would hopefully eliminate or reduce these occurrences.

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Aye, I had a group wherein someone with this intention queued as a tank to get in faster. Soon as we entered and got the ability to fly, he promptly changed jobs to a DPS and ran off to tick off objectives then left. It crippled our party because we couldn't replace a missing party member and no one had a tank job leveled to do it themselves. If you don't have a full party, you may as well just hang your hat because your team cannot muster the damage required to get gold chests.

I like Diadem a lot, but I haven't been able to really play it lately. If someone else changes class or leaves altogether it really penalizes the others and not the person who caused the strife. Especially since effected persons cannot just also leave and re-queue. Reducing the entry timer was a nice start and I'm thankful for that, but it needs a few other adjustments to make it less victimizing. Dev team would know best how to go about this but if i were to wager a guess at some things that might help I'd suggest not allowing someone to leave until a certain time has passed, allow people to kick and to refill members from the duty finder queue, and adjust the amount of damage dealt on mobs to scale with the amount of battle class party members.

should get a damage buff for every DoL or Leaver.

if they are doing it for easy(and quick) esoterics then they are still screwing themselves over with the 2 hour cool down from the time you enter, so if you spend 30 mins on doing the objectives then you have to wait 90 before reentering (kind of quicker to do expert DR even as DPS)

I have had this happen to me once where the person concerned grab flying as fast as possible and refusing to help the rest of the group get flying completed the objectives and left

(correction:- seems like they reduced the cool down to 45min on dec 1st (big mistake) which pretty much explains everything with 15mins to wait)

I've only done Diadem a couple of times but yes, it is annoying when people leave and your chances at getting a gold chest drop to near zero :( Unfortunately (especially around the weekend or near reset day) people will do anything to get capped before reset.

For those who want to stay and farm that shiny 210 gear, I would suggest joining or creating your own group in PF. Make it clear that you're there for farming loot and complete 3/4 of the objectives so the last 10 mins of the timer can be used to finish the list. If people continue to join, complete and leave- you can use the blacklist function and try again for a decent team, and if you do find a decent team- add them to your friends list for future parties :)

That comes later as expected. I expected it direct after the patch, cause come on 45 min lockout after joining the diadem is no real penality for leaving early.
In my opinion the reduction of the cooldown for diadem was one of their biggest mistakes to fix a content.

If you are going into Diadem, make a pf and get ppl that are going to stay. I have only tried df once to see if everything my fc mates said was right about df being a mess and it was trash with people going afk after we got the eso. The only time a pf group might fill slow is if you are making a gathering only group.

People are still seriously DF'ing Daidem and expecting responsibility from all of the other 7 strangersplayers?

People should stop expecting other people to be accountable for their actions in Diadem through DF, because there are rarely ever server-side consequences for being selfish and/or uncooperative and to many; the 7 other players are just a quick means to an end. Yoshi-P even more or less told the community to stop taking Diadem seriously through Duty Finder.

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If you are going into Diadem, make a pf and get ppl that are going to stay.

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This is by no means a "new thing"; everyone should have seen this coming once it was realized that you get esoterics/achievements just for doing the mission. If that's all that people care about, what makes you think they are going to stay there the entire 90 minutes?

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if they are doing it for easy(and quick) esoterics then they are still screwing themselves over with the 2 hour cool down from the time you enter, so if you spend 30 mins on doing the objectives then you have to wait 90 before reentering (kind of quicker to do expert DR even as DPS)

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1) cooldown is 45 minutes now, not 120
2) what makes you think diadem is all they are doing for esoterics?

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

1) cooldown is 45 minutes now, not 120

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(correction:- seems like they reduced the cool down to 45min on dec 1st (big mistake) which pretty much explains everything with 15mins to wait)

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already made this point

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2) what makes you think diadem is all they are doing for esoterics?

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because it can be easily abused and that you don't have to wait the 18-30 min queue for the DPS on expert dungeons (which you can only get 75 esoteric once per day otherwise it about 40 esoterics)

I see its working as intended. So people join and complete the area. The optional is going and keep around doing stuff like gathering or farming. So unless you are forming a party for specific goals it not going to work as you may wish.

If they were doing anything else besides objectives for esos they would stay. If they wanted DoL items or anything else, they wouldn't just complete and leave.

Also, who is to say that they won't join the pf group just to get a faster queue time. I am just thinking that they need to fix it for those that actually want to stay for things other than the esos, even if they just allow people to join in progress. I know people get together DoL farming groups and that's fine, it's the actual people who join to farm for gear or spoils that I am talking about.

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Aye, I had a group wherein someone with this intention queued as a tank to get in faster.

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Queueing as a tank to get in faster is pretty dumb to begin with, considering there's only one per party.

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Also, who is to say that they won't join the pf group just to get a faster queue time. I am just thinking that they need to fix it for those that actually want to stay for things other than the esos, even if they just allow people to join in progress. I know people get together DoL farming groups and that's fine, it's the actual people who join to farm for gear or spoils that I am talking about.

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If you make a party and are clear that it's for farming mobs, people that join implicitly agree to that. If they then run off and do objectives then drop, you're able to report them. I know it doesn't help during the run itself, but it's something to think about.

Party Finder really is the best way to go for Diadem no matter what you're trying to accomplish.

Yeah. I stopped with DF runs after about 2. The eso speed runs are good for gatherers at least. No on will complain about you not being with the team. (In pf at least.)

Leave it to idiots to poop all over everyone else for nothing.

Did diadem (duty finder) for the first time. The Fisher and miner brolled on every drop. Not doing that again. Just gonna suck it up and always party finder it or take the fc airship.