I've been reading through forums for ideas about how the PLD class feels lackluster with the current content, and in hope that they do take players' feedback seriously, decided to write something in the forums hoping that they (devs) might take notice.
Also a disclosure, I don't have any history playing MMORPGs prior to joining FFXIV in late August this year - as such my ideas may be reflect signs of ignorance so any constructive feedback would be welcome.
Intro
Before I begin talking about class balancing, a slight preamble on hardcore gaming versus casual gaming. The general understanding on hardcore content is that any "hardcore" content is much more difficult than casual content. The increase of difficulty should be noticeable between jumping from casual content into hardcore content.
So how does one go about making things difficult? - or a look from another angle, what makes a player successful in this game?
1. Mistake + Punishment mechanics
The most noticeable in both casual and hardcore content. Make a mistake executing any mechanics and detriment your chance to clear the instance. Moving into hardcore content shows that mistakes often leads to extremely low chances of clearing content, which I'm sure the majority of the player base will agree - there is nothing wrong with this.
2. Maximizing your class
This is where it may cause some debate on how future content should be updated, because in most cases, maximizing your class means maximizing your DPS output. It also means knowing when to use certain abilities at certain times, which may coincide with point 1 (such as CD management, stance dancing, etc).
3. Finding other players
I often find this point is overlooked by many (or maybe not?), including whether or not people want to take in other players that main classes that do not synchronize well with other classes, etc.
As you can see, there are many various factors that may attribute to what makes in game content difficult to achieve. I would like to highlight the importance of point 2 (DPS) and its relevancy to point 3 (difficulty finding party) due to the inability of usefulness that PLD brings to a party.
Encounters and Compatibility
Hearing "we are aware that the Paladin class is not very useful in current content" highlights the importance of where a class stands in terms of balance against current content. However, releasing new content that would allow PLDs skill-set to shine is, in my opinion, the wrong way to go.
Why?
DPS is the bottom line - The importance of 0%
No matter which way you look at it, successfully completing mechanics, increasing durability as a tank, the end result to clear content requires you to beat things from 100% to 0%.
Clearing content can only be done when there is nothing remaining - 0%. If your class is unable to directly contribute to the 0% (i.e., DPS) then your job should be able to support others in the party in achieving that 0%. Thus, DPS is the bottom line. A quick example of this would be Thordan EX.
- PLD mitigates more damage, meaning more cleric stance (DPS increase)
- PLD mitigates more damage, meaning healers are able to ensure survival of DPS (DPS increase)
- DRK contributes more direct DPS (DPS increase)
- DRK requires more healing (DPS loss equalized by direct DPS input)
As such, we can see that whilst DRK is (arguably) less effective than PLD clearing Thordan EX, it is still at an adequate level that makes content clearing fair on DRK players. So in content with high DPS checks like A4S, what does the PLD achieve that the DRK/WAR cannot, what does it offer in trade for DPS? If the bottom line is the 0%, does PLD offer anything that can contribute to that 0% that compensates for its DPS loss? Is it stable enough to be called a fair trade? It is apparent from end-game content that taking a PLD in most cases is an aggregate loss of DPS (progress) for the party - as well as discouraging parties from picking PLD over other tanks.
Thus, PLD skills need to be reworked - tweaked so that it allows for a change between the triangle of tanks, rather than WAR + MT. The changes must be made so that whilst it may not be optimal to run PLD all the time, it should still fairly progress through end game with the other two tank classes, much like DRK/WAR currently do.
A multitude of ideas come to mind, but I'll try list the ones I think are most interesting:
Spirits Within
- Increase potency to 500, with minimum potency to 300
- Reverse effect, potency gained as HP reduces
- TP restore of 50
Note: Allows for DPS increase as MT without need to change shield oath whilst adding interesting mechanic of HP management/timing. TP problems also fixed as both MT/OT.
Clemency
- Surecast effect added
- Able to block whilst casting
- Casting clemency does not break combos
Note: Useful for healing in a pinch! DPS loss only for 3 second downtime of casting. Block while casting for some nice synergy with Sheltron?
Divine Veil
- Self-healing procs Veil
- Veil AOE increased to 25y
- CD reduced to 90sec
Note: Current Divine Veil range is too restrictive. I'm not exactly sure on the best CD for this skill.
Tempered Will
- Provides Determination up 15% to self and party
- CD reduced to 120 sec
- Range 25y
Note: The only real DPS increase for PLD whilst OT. Extra raid utility, similar to Battle Litany. Decided to remove the ability to only use it in SwO.
Sword/Shield Oath
- Still on GCD, 1.5 second cooldown rather than 3 seconds
Note: The switching between stances gives a clunky feeling, that also breaks combos which lead to DPS loss. Thus, to compensate for this, the cooldown before using any other abilities has been reduced.
Overall, I think this would increase the DPS of PLD when MT (a huge problem in comparison to DRK/WAR MT), whilst also increasing the general utility and raid DPS when played as OT. Rather than directly making up for the lesser DPS achievable compared to DRK/WAR, the aim was to increase raid DPS through utility whilst also adhering to the mitigation king (for party) with Divine Veil changes.
Extras
VIT versus STR - the identity of tanking
The fact that VIT is only useful to the point that allows you to comfortably tank "tankbusters" in a controlled and timed environment means that any further stacking of VIT means little. Much like accuracy (and possibly skill speed), because this attribute has no secondary calculation (such as an increase to DEF/M.DEF per VIT). This is a very broad point addressing damage calculations which I believe should be revised completely - rather than PLD specific but still an important issue for PLD nonetheless. This also brings to light other attributes such as shields and parry playing almost non-factors in mitigation (especially magic damage).
This point is more an addressing of job identity as any tank class - which coincides well with PLD as the "mitigation king" or "defensive tank".
Conclusion
Thanks for reading (if you did LOL), sorry about the length and I hope it was adequately organized to optimize your read. End point is that I feel (and probably much of the player base) that PLD offers lackluster aggregate DPS whether that be from utility or direct DPS, as well as shedding some extra light attributes and suggestion for revision.
If you have any constructive suggestions or comments, like I said before, they are welcome!
PLD - I seem to have misplaced my DPS
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11-25-2015, 11:01 PMAiioPLD - I seem to have misplaced my DPS
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11-26-2015, 01:39 AMSyzygian
If I had a Reprisal proc for every PLD thread on this forum I'd be fucking invincible. The game would break and the debuff would start stacking and my raid would become unkillable.
Everyone knows that PLD has issues right now. There is literally zero to say that hasn't already been said and if someone actually does bring something genuinely new to the discussion I will be very impressed.
I keep wondering when these threads are going to start getting locked due to qualifying as duplicates of each other. -
11-26-2015, 02:12 AMLaunched
PLD does enough DPS in Sword Oath. You want to do lots of damage as PLD? Go offtank, or be good enough to MT in Sword Oath.
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11-26-2015, 02:22 AMRisvertasashi
It has always struck me that a lot of the PLD CDs are so long compared to the other classes. For very powerful ones, like Sentinel, this makes sense. But then WAR also gets some very nice stuff on a 60s CD and... Why is Fell Cleave 500 potency when it's so easy to double or even triple? Spirits Within could definitely use the 500 potency buff, still wouldn't even compare.
Tempered Will and Divine Veil... I think their CDs seem pretty long for their effects. That said, I don't think shortening the stance CDs would really change anything because they're already instant, and the 2.5s GCD will still lock out other GCD-tied abilities until it's over.
If you actually read his post you would see there's some constructive suggestions there. If you're tired of reading PLD threads, don't click on them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syzygian
The forums are here for discussion. And not just discussion that gets your personal seal of approval. -
11-26-2015, 02:29 AMJpec07
I'd be game.
Someone should probably make a PLD Adjustment Ideas Megathread that catalogs everyone's suggestions and provides an avenue for more without starting a new thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syzygian
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11-26-2015, 02:34 AMSyzygianThe problem with that is... It'd be another PLD thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jpec07
The OP says he's been lurking and if you've been lurking you'd know that the front page of the tanking forum has been almost nothing but buff PLD threads or something similar for months now. And I've made my own contributions and thrown out my own ideas quite a bit in that timeframe. But now..... Its tiresome. Other discussions get scrolled right off the page. I click on these hoping that someone has something new and inspiring to offer but its all almost always the same ideas about the same abilities that someone else has said umpteen times in another thread either in the OP or comments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Risvertasashi
They all come down to more or less the same things:
1. Let PLD block magic damage (Yoshi straight-up said "no" to this).
2. Make Clemency a clone or almost-a-clone of Equilibrium.
3. Shorten Divine Veil's recast or remove its proc requirement.
4. Let PLD use a two-handed weapon instead of a shield sometimes (wat?)
5. Make Cover physical/magical and/or increase its range.
6. Buff enmity.
7. Buff SwO damage (srsly?)
8. Buff ShO damage (okay.)
9. Make SwO/ShO Def/Del clones.
10. Give them a stack/MP mechanic (WAR/DRK clone)
11. Give RA a debuff.
12. Boost RoH's potency.
13. Screw it, just give them WAR OT/DRK MT dps.
14. Make Flash do damage (...)
etc. etc.
Basically no one can come up with any ideas to buff PLD without giving them WAR/DRK-level deeps or giving them clones of those tanks' abilities, and certainly no one can come up with an idea to make PLD viable in a way that would -differentiate- them from WAR/DRK without usurping those two tanks' roles (high OT/MT DPS respectively, mitigation debuffs, a slashing debuff and self-healing for WAR and extra mobility/aoe utility and magic mitigation for DRK). I tried in a last ditch effort to outline some thoughts I had in the Yoshi P's Stance on PLD thread by comparing the tanks to their healer counterparts and suggesting they take PLD in a similar direction to AST (more or less equal tanking/healing potential, lower DPS ceiling, extra-high and concrete/viable (not situational) raid utility).
Anyway, I just wish if people are actively reading the forums they wouldn't just parrot back the same things that have been said in the other 2-dozen threads sitting right in front of them on the top page. No disrespect intended. -
11-26-2015, 03:39 AMKosmos992k
Interesting suggestions, but I'm not sure that focusing on our dps is the route to go. I'm of the view that to improve Paladin, and make it lean more on it's identity there are three areas that need to be looked at. The first two boil down to the same thing, they are mitigation and shield use. I'd like to see more use made of the shield, and a bit more *active* mitigation using the shield specifically. I'm not convinced that we need, or should have a net gain in DPS, we are all about mitigation and blocking things with our shield, so why more dps?
The OP makes two intersting points;
These show that better mitigation can increase the overall DPS of the party, so PLD can increase the party dps, without altering it's own contribution. So, let's make a virtue out of active mitigation with our shield.Quote:
- PLD mitigates more damage, meaning more cleric stance (DPS increase)
- PLD mitigates more damage, meaning healers are able to ensure survival of DPS (DPS increase)
One thought I have had is some form of damage reflection or rebound. For instance a skill that allows a % incoming damage to be reflected back to the enemy as an enmity increase (the damage is reflected as increased enmity, not damage to the attacker). This would both mitigate damage and increase PLD ability to generate and gold aggro. It would work against multiple enemies. The CD could (for example) consume MP when used, last for 20s on a 60s cooldown, block and reflect 15% of incoming damage (physical and magical) and reflect it with an enmity multiplier of 2. I haven't done the math, the numbers are simply to illustrate the skill.
The other thought I've had, and mentioned before is to make Shield swipe an arc attack, a short-mid range frontal cone, with slightly reduced potency but slightly increased enmity multiplier. With the changes to Shield Swipe made recently, I'd add a shorter cooldown of 10s, and allow successful parries to trigger it as well as blocks. The reduction in potency should reduce the dps sufficiently to prevent this from being overpowered, and the slight boost to enmity prevents it from creating a problem in single target situations.
The third area is our cross class with CNJ, that pretty explicitly tells us that we should in fact be capable of some level of battlefield healing, not on par with a healer, but better than band-aids and rubbing dirt on it. So there I'd like to see our cure modified to use both MND and VIT to calculate the strength of the heal, and remove the battle field raise trait from Raise all together, giving BLM parity with SMN, and PLD the ability to actually use their Raise cross class skill.
I'd also like to see all 3 tanks increase the speed of TP regen based on their VIT, especially PLD since things like Shield Bash consume TP at a prodigious rate. -
11-26-2015, 05:36 AMfm_fenrirShield Bash costs as much as it does because it's the only stun that doesn't have a 20s CD (maybe, maybe less if parry procs are blessing you with low blow resets). Increasing TP regain for all three tanks is actually a massive buff to WAR/DRK (DRK most of all, since Blood Weapon is already net-TP positive with the current regain rate).Quote:
Originally Posted by Kosmos992k
Also, making SWO a deliverance clone is a straight nerf to SWO. The DPS increase is something on the order of +13-15%, depending on the delay of your sword. There's nothing seriously wrong with PLD OT DPS, aside from absolutely garbage TP management. I wouldn't mind seeing RA get a bump to 360 potency, so it hits as hard as FT does--this would be functionally identical to FT rotation (710 potency, all told), and you could squeeze four of them in a FOF window (beating out a DRG's 3 combos in a B4B window).
@OP specifically: Spirits Within is a non-conditional level 45 skill. Making it 500 potency with no penalty other than "wait 30 seconds" gives a leveling PLD a 30 second mob eraser CD, and PLD is already the best tank until you get to endgame DPS check content. For comparison, you don't get FC until level 54, and none of the content you'd be using 3xFC in appears until you get to 60; deliverance in leveling dungeons is a gimmick most DF healers won't appreciate. -
11-26-2015, 05:47 AMKosmos992kOK, I can see that, I was just looking for some way for PLD to control their TP a bit better and a boost to the regen rate seemed like a quick fix, clearly it's not.Quote:
Originally Posted by fm_fenrir
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11-26-2015, 05:49 AMfm_fenrirYeah, I meant that for the post above yours. Sorry for the formatting confusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kosmos992k
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11-26-2015, 05:54 AMeagledorfNo, it doesn't. Let's just be completely clear. Paladin doesn't do remotely enough DPS in Sword Oath.Quote:
Originally Posted by Launched
Unless you think that WAR out-DPSing Bards is bad (sure, I could see why you might think that despite BRD's utility since BRD is a DPS class), in which case you could nerf Fell cleave to 300 potency, remove the 5% DPS bonus from Deliverance, and prevent the use of Blood Price entirely when out of Grit. Then I suppose Sword Oath would be fine because that's how too low it is right now (~15-20%), but it would also piss off a lot of people so I think that's not likely to happen.
As tired as people might be about these threads, I honestly don't have a problem with them flooding the forum because there still hasn't been any change or public acknowledgment that the current situation is a major problem. I do have a problem with the theory of healer DPS being a suitable substitute for tank DPS even if it were true that Paladin in Shield Oath is a superior tank (it is not) or provided superior support skills (it does not. As MT it has virtually zero utility other than Veil) since tank and healer DPS are very different in terms of when they're optimal to squeeze out and tank DPS is much more reliable than healer unless you meld accuracy and have a Bard for RoD. Plus you have AST that is less optimized for DPSing than SCH and healers that just don't feel comfortable DPSing in general.
Even if it were not false that Paladin is the most defensive tank and depending on healer DPS didn't have issues, it still doesn't justify the gap in the OT stance when none of that applies. -
11-26-2015, 06:09 AMThe_NPC
Thou I have read a few (4-5) PLD "change Requests" idea's to balance it out the only stuff I see as a Main PLD doing non-end game crap is trouble holding Arrgo agaisnt higher geared ppl when in full Vit or against equal geared DRK/WAR's (which btw full Vit right-side I haven't done since 2.3 thanks to said problem vs overgeared ppl)
Also I'm fine with PLD's DPS being lower sorta makes sence to me (u'r gona have a lot of trouble hitting the same DMG value in RL with a 1h sword vs 2h swords/Axes unless u'r stronger than them, just 1h sword users are usually more mobile till u add that hulking Tower/kite shield to the mix) really I'd be happy if I had Dragoon/Lancer's skill "Invigorate" as a PLD, any TP gripes I might have had would be gone... till I ran out of TP after using it but that would be a Player/teamwork problem not the games.
Does PLD have a problem?... maybe but I'll leave that debate to others eather more qualified or with more "Raid" XP then me -
11-26-2015, 06:12 AMSyzygianPlease read first. I wasn't making that suggestion, I was saying I was tired of seeing it over and over along with everything else on that list.Quote:
Originally Posted by fm_fenrir
I don't think anyone means to say it is enough, that's just the only suitable spot for a PLD if one is in your group unless there are 20K physical tankbusters every 20-30 seconds.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagledorf
The gap between OT DPS across the three tanks is relatively small. WAR>DRK>PLD.
The gap between MT DPS across the three tanks is much different. DRK>WAR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>PLD. If it was DRK>WAR>PLD and you swapped the SE debuff with the RoH debuff, no one would bat an eye, as that would be an easily closeable gap in DPS for the PLD by supplementing their fellow tank's DPS. In fact, taking the slashing debuff from WAR and giving it to PLD instead is the single simple and intelligent suggestion that comes to mind when I think of a realistic shift to balance the tanks, at least in terms of DPS.
I have a problem with all these threads because they're extremely depressing, you see the same people spreading the same misinformation and refusing to acknowledge facts. -
11-26-2015, 08:33 AMKosmos992kNp, i removed the quote, I figured it was something like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by fm_fenrir
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11-26-2015, 09:03 AMKosmos992kI'm also a PLD doing non-end-game content. I don't generally have aggro issues in sub-50 content, after that though, it seems like even with sync, the relative difference in ilvl of weapons can leave PLD lacking in pure aggro, early in a fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_NPC
I'd be fine with our damage the way it is if we had compensation in other areas, whether we do is debateable.Quote:
Also I'm fine with PLD's DPS being lower sorta makes sence to me (u'r gona have a lot of trouble hitting the same DMG value in RL with a 1h sword vs 2h swords/Axes unless u'r stronger than them, just 1h sword users are usually more mobile till u add that hulking Tower/kite shield to the mix) really I'd be happy if I had Dragoon/Lancer's skill "Invigorate" as a PLD, any TP gripes I might have had would be gone... till I ran out of TP after using it but that would be a Player/teamwork problem not the games.
I'm using broad brush strokes here, and I'm sure others can correct or add anything I omit, but the gist of the issue is; In theory we PLD are the best mitigation tank, but in the discussions here, I've seen a lot to suggest that WAR might be better, ironically in part thanks to Awareness that seems of more use to WAR than PLD. DRK has superior mitigation against magic, and better damage, and decent enough physical damage mitigation. PLD has no specific magic damage mitigation, and physical mitigation is roughly on par with WAR.
We have our shield for blocking, but both WAR and DRK can greatly increase their parry rate. The mitigation from our shield is very nearly equalled by the enhanced Parry capability of WAR/DRK. We have parry to, but due to the way damage is evaluated, parry has the least mitigation value, and has less impact on PLD than DRK/WAR. SE nerfed shield blocking a lot coming into Heavensward, parry too has taken a hit, so our mitigation toolkit has taken a hit despite our relatively poor DPS and other mitigation that is matched by WAR.
The changes to shield swipe have made it more reliable because you can force blocks to trigger it, but it has a 15s re-use timer limiting it to 4 per minute, though 3/minute is the reality unless your timing is perfect. Before this, any block triggered Shield swipe, which was on GCD so it was possible to acheive far more swipes in a short time, so for multi target pulls, the change actually reduces both damage done and enmity gained, and may negatively impact TP conservation.
So in the end PLD is the mitigation tank who's mitigation is no better overall, but does less damage and has more TP issues. Combine that with the number of wasted cross class skills PLD has, and you have the problem. It became obvious to raiders in Alexander Savage Mode that PLD was lacking, and since then, many more people are looking at it, and seeing issues beyond MT damage.
This is outlined above. Personally, I'm fine doing less damage as long as that disadvantage is balance in other areas, currently itseems it's not.Quote:
Does PLD have a problem?... maybe but I'll leave that debate to others eather more qualified or with more "Raid" XP then me
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11-26-2015, 09:07 AMBashum15. Give them a buff that increases the damage of the group/raid for a set duration. either by buffing crit chance, or determination. Maybe Accuracy too, as that would help healers with their lack of accuracy when doing dps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syzygian
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11-26-2015, 10:55 AMAiioWell actually I don't think I added anything to the direct DPS output of PLD to copy WAR/DRK, other than Spirits Within for shield oath (since PLD DPS as MT is horrible), and tried to focus on the "mitigation" with divine veil for party and ability to surecast clemency. I also forgot to add Tempered Will as a party buff (sort of like Battle Litany) to add extra utility.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syzygian
I guess the SwO/ShO change is a bit questionable, maybe if it just didn't break combos while tank swapping then that would be fairer.
Well the majority of the changes weren't direct DPS increases, and I made these changes mainly with A4S in mind, where PLD really struggles to bring utility as both MT/OT. I'm also not sure if increasing the coverage of Divine Veil to 20% on 90sec CD is too broken. Also I realized that I had accidentally had Tempered Will like a solo buff, when I had intended it to be like Battle Litany.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kosmos992k
My aim was only to tweak MT PLD because of its very very abysmal self DPS contribution whilst MT, and fix that through a lower CD Divine Veil and Tempered Will which I mentioned in this post just above me! As such the utility compensates for self-loss DPS to increase aggregate party DPS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Risvertasashi
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11-26-2015, 11:01 AMeagledorfThis is not really correct. The DPS difference for the top numbers across Alexander Savage is greater than 15% and those are in the OT stance. This is just a fact. That is a lot for two jobs of the same role without basically mandatory utility like BRD/MCH bring. In fact, it's so much of a gap it is more than what would be added by bringing the slashing debuff to your co-tank.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syzygian
Taking the slashing debuff from WAR and giving it to PLD was an idea I used to like as well, but as people have pointed out that just means you'll bring a NIN. Since DRK can cover MNK's utility already, you'll bring NIN/WAR/DRK and it won't fix anything. If anything, that would make these three jobs even more fixed since the DPS gap compared to PLD/MNK would be huge.
There is a very very easy solution that for some reason some people seem to not want to accept. Increase PLD's DPS and make their utility on par with WAR (the easiest way is to give them a DMG down debuff like both the other tanks have instead of STR since Divine Veil is pretty much equal to Defiance and Mantra). Anything else (making casts usable as MT, fixing TP for PLD/DRK, adjusting defensive cooldowns, maybe swapping Delirium and Reprisal's debuffs to give DRK OT utility, etc.) can be tweaked over time, but this would drastically fix the balance issue for PLD. It's easy and really can't go wrong.
Edit: Well, or I suppose you could give PLD BRD-level utility. A party-wide TP refresh, MP refresh, and a vulnerability up debuff. That would work as well, but has a lot more potential to go wrong and have some unintended consequence like killing Bard for some content cycle or the other. It is sort of interesting since you can then have BRD/DRG/DRK and PLD/MNK/NIN or PLD/MNK/MNK as units. Of course DF would mess that up so I don't think it's actually a good idea. -
11-26-2015, 11:32 AMIsius
I heard of a interesting idea. What if Fight for Flight had a Warrior's Unchained buff attached to it, but also keeps it's +30% physical dmg increase buff. So while in Shield Oath you don't get the -20% dmg pentality while Fight for Flight is active of course cd timer/activation time might need to be adjusted, but interesting idea to combat Plds sheer lack of dps while in Shield Oath. I still don't think this would balance out Pld dps to be more comparable to the other tanks, but I think it would help to lessen the dps gap from Shield to Sword oath.
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11-28-2015, 07:08 AMButcherboy
One simple solution either wait at 3.2 to where all tanks dmg are calculated the same or just nerf war and drk to do PLD dmg. Simple.
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11-28-2015, 07:47 AMValkyrieL
PLD. DPS problem is while MT (Shield Oath), OT dps is "Fine".
1 simple solution: Give "Fight of Flight" warriors "Unchained" effect. this will only increase MT DPS, and do nothing to OT, which imo is fine. -
11-28-2015, 08:09 AMInfernox
Paladin in general in my opinion could use a little tweaking
Both Sword/Shield Oath, being able to switch between them, and both taken off the GCD, but have a cooldown to switch between them (such is the case with Defiance and Deliverance)
Shield Swipes potency increased, and switched to a Cone in front of you, cause other then Circle of Scorn.... what other AE dps does Paladin do?
Fight or Flight, reduced TP Cost of abilities while it is active
Spirits Within, Increased potency, keep it hitting hardest when health is full still
Tempered Will could be party wide or add an effect to it for everybody
Just my thoughts.
Also, some sort of attack that uses MP, just one, like holy blade or something of that nature. -
11-29-2015, 09:08 AMfm_fenrirAgreed, PLD is a little scattered in the road from 50 to 60.Quote:
Originally Posted by Infernox
These are spells, which is why they break combos and are on GCD. Additionally, you'd have a free Rampart if you were to allow this--tank in SwO, wait for TB, ShO instantly and burn another defensive while you Halone away. Defiance doesn't give you free HP when you pop it, which is why it has its own internal CD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Infernox
How about converting Spirits Within to a cone AOE?Quote:
Originally Posted by Infernox
I don't dislike this, but I think it'll end up being too strong (much like ValkyrieL's Unchained-alike suggestion for FOF). I could get behind PLD having the lowest MT DPS, but the longest sustain, I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Infernox
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12-01-2015, 12:45 AMAiio
It feels like a lot of comments here have been on increasing direct DPS output.. when increasing party utility also increases overall party output. The only problem with this in the current patch though is that increasing utility (healing not included since not utility), does not increase enmity which PLD has an unfair disadvantage versus the other two tanks.
An idea for enmity issues could even be adding enmity generation from damage mitigated. That way PLD with Sheltron, Divine Veil, etc would generate enmity in return for weaker enmity on RoH. It would also make practical sense, since I'm sure if a monster was hitting you and you took barely any damage, the monster would want to either
a) flee (I wish, free raid clears with HG LOL)
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12-01-2015, 04:25 PMSilver_BladeMy friend welcome to the internet and forums, if you dislike threads retreading ground so much, why click them? this will continue til pld actually gets a niche back, because right now, it loses to drk and war as an OT and DRK as MT only vs war MT do we have actual pros and consQuote:
Originally Posted by Syzygian