Thanks for wiping out pvp queues again SE

3.1 brought with it Void ark, Diadem and hunts. Not only that, there have been no additions made to PvP at all. Basically, give people a mean to earn easy gear and they'll flock to it, even if it's not fun.

What's truly sad is that the pvp queues finally began to feel decent with the arrival of Seize. Overnight, patch 3.1 killed them. Also when I do join a match now, its a 8v8v8.

I just CAN'T get my head around how incompetent SE is towards PvP in their game. PvP is GREAT in ff14, I truly believe that. Yet its held back by a plethora of little things that could easily be addressed. For example, why they haven't accommodated Seal Rock and Carteneau flats so they both can host all modes adequately still baffles me. Variety would be nice. Wouldn't be rocket science either. I could address more points but I'm running out of characters here.

I'll end this rant with this: We're not a hard crowd to please. Give us cool locales, vanity items, quicker queues and simple modes on which we can fight each other over and we'll be happy.

P.-S.: Stop promising changes years in advance (i.e. WD and queue changes)

people are busy playing the new content, if they are doing new content they are not doing old content

this isnt a difficult thing to grasp

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Originally Posted by CeveArthu

people are busy playing the new content, if they are doing new content they are not doing old content

this isnt a difficult thing to grasp

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She's not wrong though. It really is unacceptable that SE does nothing (and I wish that were an exaggeration) at all to fix any PvP problems.

The PvP community have been complaining about que times for over a year. We've been practically begging SE to do SOMETHING to even attempt to fix them, and they don't even bother to post a response. The only thing we've heard out of the PvP Dev team is that they are "looking into" the possibility of removing GC restrictions. That was months ago. Since then we've had nothing. No follow up. No updates. No alternatives. Nothing. At the very least they could have modded the DF PvP roulette. There's no excuse that que times for the roulette are often 3x worse than direct ques, and why is there no Wolves Den roulette?

I don't think anyone's really asking a lot out of the Dev team at this point. We're not expecting massive sweeping reforms to happen that will revolutionize the PvP scene. We just want them to put the bare minimum of effort into maintaining the game mode, otherwise it might as well not be there.

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Originally Posted by CeveArthu

people are busy playing the new content

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I know it's normal for people to jump directly onto new content. Problem is that, in this case, people will still be doing those months later because the new contents are grind fests that take a long time. Still, there's incentive in doing so because getting more loot, fun or not, gives off a better feeling of progression.

Seal rock is already 5 months old now. People, even if they like pvp, will move on because things change each 7-8 months. There's little incentive left because the novelty is long gone. Giving out more pvp exp will solve nothing.

What they do and keep doing though is promise things way in advance just to keep dangling carrots in our faces. I wouldn't be surprised if only one person was in charge of the pvp aspect of ff14.

So at least give some flavor to PVP from time to time so it can compete with the new stuff a bit better instead of letting it die patch after patch.

I'm afraid with every new patch, PvP will die for a short while. Unless the patch is PvP oriented. Too bad for us who mainly play the game for pvp.

sadly pvp isnt popular in this game (obviously), so making pvp for big groups feels like a waste.(keep it in tough) small group pvp would be better for the queues. I mean imagine small 2v2,3v3 or even 1v1 arena's being added and how you might get trough a queue within minutes. and yes i know about the imbalance of the jobs in pvp but still having imbalanced pvp is still a better activity then waiting in queue for an hour that locks you out of doing other content aswell in my book.

Heck now that I think about it even with the imbalance of healers ect in pvp give us a pvp arena in wich people can stand at the sides and watch and just hang out while people challange eachother and compete over nothing. whats the point to this ? fun... maby ? most mmo's i know where u can duel even if its imba as hell people still do it probably because they like it right.

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sadly pvp isnt popular in this game (obviously), so making pvp for big groups feels like a waste.(keep it in tough) small group pvp would be better for the queues.

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That's true... but in one way I feel like this was a self fulfilling prophecy on SE's part. It seems to go like this: PvP is not popular on FFXIV -> so FFXIV Dev teams are less committed to releasing new content for it regularly or fix it's problems, -> which makes for a lack luster PvP experience which is plagued with problems and gets stale quickly, -> which turns the player base off of PvP, -> which makes PvP less popular, -> which means the Dev team less committed to releasing new content... etc. In a big circle.

Let's face it, SE has never put the proper effort into the PvP game modes to make them popular. Wolves Den was a joke. The Wolf Marks system is a insufficient. The ranking system and point allocation is inefficient. Frontlines brought some improvements and a new game mode, but they came WAY too late. After that we only got Slaughter which most people don't even count because it was basically the same game mode only crammed into the middle of the map. Both FL and Slaughter were plagued with terrible que times and balancing issues which have persisted since the very dawn of the PvP, and after those two we got nothing, literally nothing, right up until HW came out. After that we finally got Seize and ONE new map, but it has the same problems that plagued FL and there have been no updates since except to the Exp system which should have been updated on DAY 1 of Seize's roll out at the latest to accommodate the new rank cap.

TL;DR. The point is, when you look at the history of PvP in FFXIV it's really no wonder that PvP is not all that popular. If you set yourself up to fail, you will. It's that simple.

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TL;DR. The point is, when you look at the history of PvP in FFXIV it's really no wonder that PvP is not all that popular. If you set yourself up to fail, you will. It's that simple.

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Very true, Just hope its not too late to turn it around and that they will ... someday.
A man can hope.

People say pvp is unpopular yet look at this way

Savage was created for the 1%, a whole team dedicated to making this special content

Pvp again you could say is for the 1%, yet we get nothing

If they at least addressed us the q issue (gc restrictions) and gave us a few modes with the current map who knows how popular pvp will become.

Savage will always remain for the 1%

What surprises me most about PvP is that Square seems to create all this new content for it occasionally and release it in hopes of breathing life into it...

...only to completely abandon it a month later.

Square, if you're just going to abandon each mode after you release it, why bother at all? Secure has been dead for almost a year now and no effort has been made to change or fix it. I cannot remember the last time I played a 72 man secure match.

Same thing for Slaughter. The second you released seize, slaughter died and you made no effort to revive it. As much as I dislike slaughter, there should be some method of being able to go back to the other game modes to play them. Make a weekly highlight game mode option - offer more experience and wolf marks for each of the game modes a week. Switch it up; allow each game mode to shine for a week.

It isn't hard, Square, but you leave us in the dark for months and nobody says anything to us. It's disheartening as a true PvPer.

Lol PvP
Who cares?

Pvp in this game is pretty pointless. It was pointless in FF11. Arena PVP in general sucks and open world PVP would just piss off %90 of the community.

PVP usually boils down to class imbalances and OP face rolling anyways.

If they could implement PVP like wow with winter hold or what ver it's called...

Siege engines 'multiple different types of objectives.

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Originally Posted by KeluBehemoth

Pvp in this game is pretty pointless. It was pointless in FF11. Arena PVP in general sucks and open world PVP would just piss off %90 of the community.

PVP usually boils down to class imbalances and OP face rolling anyways.

If they could implement PVP like wow with winter hold or what ver it's called...

Siege engines 'multiple different types of objectives.

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Been awhile since I pvped in WoW. But back before lich king the developers were always one season behind in class balance. In fact I don't really remember any arena season being balanced. That said the BG's were some of the funnest times I had in that game. Even with Alterac somewhat being unbalanced it created some very fun times.

As much as I disliked the Crab moderator all i remember is he had a crab icon. I respect that they explained situations. Gave reasons why stuff happened and moved forward. I am not a programer at all. But how hard would it be to turn the damn GC's off. And either give slaughter and secure some outrageous pve xp bonus or just turn them to 60. And for (insert expletive) if morale is ilvl increase make the old stuff increase to 210 and make the rank 50 stuff 210 and set the ivl cap at something reasonable.

Battlegrounds were a hell of a lot of fun.

The new one that came with wrath was the best.

Destroy able buildings. Massive map. Flying. Siege engines. Cannons. Turrets. Castle gates and walls

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Destroy able buildings. Massive map. Flying. Siege engines. Cannons. Turrets. Castle gates and walls

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Ironically, this was actually what a lot of us were expecting with FL and seemed to be what SE was promising in the early concept days. I remember that there were early PvP concepts before Frontlines was implemented which showed concept art of a city or fort that was under siege by an opposing army.

http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s637/MenphinaMagazine/frontlinesPVP_zpsa1550e25.png

This image was supposed to be the Frontlines arena. People had grandiose ideas about FL matches that involved laying siege to an enemy barracks, using cannons, attacking in waves or defending an objectives. SE themselves actually promoted it in an online post at one point. Another interesting note is that Frontlines was supposed to be the "hardcore" version of PvP. Wolves Den was originally slated for "Casual players" while FL was going to be the stage for "large scale fights." Obviously, it didn't quite work out the way they planned it.

The actual idea for front lines was scaled back a LOT before it was implemented. They ended up settling for a crappy, much more watered down, version. I think part of the problem was that they couldn't get the original format to work with 3 GC's in one match (which should have been a hint to them that they should never have made 3-way matches). Another problem is that the development just seemed to die for some reason. Before it came out, they made announcements, had concept art, and came up with a bunch of ideas that got everyone excited (the first announcements were admitted to be "very early" in development, in regards to FL).... and then we didn't hear anything about it until almost right before FL came out, and the FL they released was not what we had all been expecting. It's a shame. This looked like it was going to be really really fun.

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We're not asking for ffxiv to become mainly PvP oriented. We simply want it to be a decent and fun alternative to PvE like it should be.

The sad part is how easy that would be to achieve. Still they don't bother with it. Just small tweaks each patch could improve PvP drastically. Here are some:

• Remove GC restriction (Duh);
• Spread all modes to both Carteneau and Seal Rock and tweak each map a a little so they can be played well with each mode (example: add ramps on Carteneau when it is being played in Seize mode);
• Up the level cap of Secure, Slaughter and WD from 50 to 60;
• Add PvP exclusive items that people can work towards obtaining and are worth a damn both in PvP and on the MB. Not just gear and mounts;
• Tweak certain skills so they perform differently in PVP for the sake of balance

All the points I mentioned above would require next to no effort to implement. That's the frustrating thing.

Fix the queue system. A functioning and organized queue would make me happy. Right now it's a dice roll on where you will end up when you click queue. I went from 30~ games a week to 1 this week mainly due to 2hr queues.

Also, in terms of new content, 3.2 is supposed to bring PvP changes.

Yeah, PvP in this game is very niche and those who like PvPing will continue to do so .... but the GC requirements just makes things so much more difficult for everyone. Getting rid of it will be the biggest boon to the PvP scene.

Then there's the imbalance between jobs, although it's MUCH better than when Slaughter was released due to the nature of Seal Rock.

I wouldn't worry about it. Patch has only been out a week and I'm already bored with what they added. Arboretum was really designed beautifully and was fun but its still just a dungeon so it loses its luster fast. Same goes for the Thordan trial, primal fights become boring extremely quickly after spamming them. Void ark you do for one drop a week and you don't do it again till the next week. And while the concept behind diadem was initially interesting it just ended up being a mindless zerg on dino island (pretty much have to force myself to stay the full 2hrs for this its so mind-numbing). The queues will likely pick up again given time to what they were pre-patch. Though they will never be great until they at least get rid of GC requirement.

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Yeah, PvP in this game is very niche [...]

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I don't think it actually is.

Even if people like PvP, most just don't have the time to spare and risk waiting 30 minutes+ in a queue when there are just so many things to do and maintain each day (getting weekly locked gear, leveling alts, daylies, leveling crafters/gatherers, raiding, etc).

The main issue is, like you said, the queuing system. With the amount of servers grouped together on a data-server, I can't imagine less than just 72 people queuing for PvP at any one time. The GC requirements are not helping either.

There's also the fact that aside from glamour, the rewards don't matter at all both in PvE AND PvP. They don't do a good job at making you feel like you're progressing in any way.

@Dimitrii Yea I can feel people already getting bored with it. Lets hope queues start healing soon.

Guys after running a huge guild in wow i left hat game year ago. After seeing the gameplay of ff14 nd playing every ff game till the end u hve to wonder. This game has such potential for pvp i dont understand why its not there. Pvp is incredible fun and gives those of us who dont have the time too raid an alterntive. Its that simple i no longer hve ten ours a day too devote too a game however giv me two hours a nite to do pvp and im happy. Not everyone has time for progression in this type of game, thats where pvp picks up for alotof people. We can come on do hi level pvp for a couple of hours each nite and we r done. Sorry when iget too end gme im hoping its different. I dont wanna be locked into raiding as the only way to go forward. Most people dont have the time and unless something is done ie pvp people will stopnsubscribing im serious. Pvp is an alternative for us time starved people

Anyway thats my two cents worth sorry about spelling farking i pad hoe it made sense