Minion Tournament is a joke

getting punished for never losing a RP battle in the tournament is so stupid.

new players can come in and win 1 match and get 50 points while if i win i get less then 14 with 1200 RP. yes i know it is set that way to keep good players from farming low players. but literally a hand full playing RP before tournament started aswell DURING tournament is just very unfair and broken in my opininion.

a new player can come in and win 1 match making him win the whole tournament in the process with the way the system is now.

personally ive never lost any minion battle since the 3.1 update just to be cheated out fo winning the tournament because these fresh players come in and win only a few matches and getting max points while i almost less then 1/4 of that.

the RP points and tournament points should be seprate in my opinion. anyhting else at this point would be better. you can game the system so easly with this. fix this SE

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Tournaments should be separated into different categories depending on how low/high your RP is, that seems like a better solution than the current one.

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Originally Posted by Colorful

Tournaments should be separated into different categories depending on how low/high your RP is, that seems like a better solution than the current one.

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maybe but on my server.. almost no one plays it. the first day buzz ran out of the people i played against (prolly cause they never won maybe..) the whole room barely has 3 people at peak times, u can imagine what its like at other times.

I think most just play for the achievement minions..I know that is the only reason I did the challenges.

Once low RP players reach your Rank, they will earn less points and you will earn more points against them. Just wait and play after a few days.

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Originally Posted by rappa

Once low RP players reach your Rank, they will earn less points and you will earn more points against them. Just wait and play after a few days.

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they arnt playing for them to gain anything. and if they do. they usually fight me. and i win.. its like i need to lose on purpose for them to gain stuff for the tournament to be fair. thats just broken in my opinion and needs to be fixed. (there arnt enough people for it to be server only que's)


edit: being punished for winning and being good shouldnt be a thing.

more news. the whole miniion game is being abused.

friends letting eachother win getting insta first place. thanks for designing most horrible system ive seen.. triple triad isnt even this bad.

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Originally Posted by LegendaryKira

friends letting eachother win getting insta first place. thanks for designing most horrible system ive seen.. triple triad isnt even this bad.

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But that's exactly what happens in TT tournaments.

Please use your brain. Do not play. Let Low RP fight against Low RP.

If you play against low RP, you will earn a few points and you spent your 30 matches.
A low RP who played 10 matches and wins 6, would reach your ranking soon. Then you should play against them.

If you want burn your 30 matches against low RP players, earning 5-15 points, you deserve lose the tournament.

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maybe u should also use your brain.

RP battle is outside of tournament that raises your RP points. most people wanna do it due to the achievement rewards alone.
barely anyone even does the RP battle to begin with. in my case. i fought about 9 different people getting me about 38 wins. meaning they all lost gaining nothing. so tournament rolls and they get full points fighting against people having nothing while personally getting almost less then nothing.
how u cant see that the system is broken is beyond me. even if u start with 0 points. other people letting eachother win in tournament but LOSING ON PURPOSE in RP battle against friends decreasing their RP to nothing is pretty broken.

The system is not broken, just miscalibrated.

A lot of players didn't play RP matches and they have 0 RP or low RP. You played a lot of RP matches and your RP are high 1k RP maybe.

A low RP player play against same RP he wins 50 points. No matters if they are playing to lose or let other player wins. After a few matches, the winner player will earn less points.
You play against a low RP and you wins 17 points.

Two days after, a High RP player play against a High RP player and he wins 50 points.

Can you understand now? Or do you need more examples?

You goal is win against High RP players. If wintraders are playing against them, they will reach your RP and you would fight against them and steal theirs points.

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Originally Posted by rappa

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because going into a normal RP battle and losing on purpose losing RP points is not broken right?. there will never be any one with high enough points that way.

Broken? Not, bad behaviour? yes.

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Originally Posted by rappa

The system is not broken, just miscalibrated.

A lot of players didn't play RP matches and they have 0 RP or low RP. You played a lot of RP matches and your RP are high 1k RP maybe.

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A lot of players didn't play AT ALL and come to the championship with 0 RP when I have like 1k.

I'm in the same situation than OP, I never loose a match in the championship but when I see the score of the second one with 15 match with 9 win he can have more points than me after his 30 matches.

I have met only one person with 1k RP and it's my rival and we thought exactly the same about this.

Separated low rank and high rank sounds like a good idea but like I said I saw only one person with more than 1k or at least 500 RP and I don't want to play 30 match against the same guys even if there is a challenge that will bore me and eventually him.

It's just the same thing in TT. The issue with LoV is that it's too complicated a minigame or just not something most of the players are even interested in. You're taking one completely different genre and throwing it into this current game's genre and casual status(for the most part). The issue really is the fact that SE thought it was fine to restrict queues to only servers. If it had been Data Center, it would alleviate win trades and provide more people to play against.

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Originally Posted by Lorielle

The issue really is the fact that SE thought it was fine to restrict queues to only servers. If it had been Data Center, it would alleviate win trades and provide more people to play against.

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this really should have been a thing since day. there is just literally not enough players as it is. and the ranking is just stupidly designed along with it making it just worse and worse. SE needs to fix this soon

They did not fix TT-Turnament, you can come to te conclusion they are doing it on purpose with the cheating in turnaments - did you expect the new one would be any different? Just lets hope they dont give exclusive rewards because cheaters its impossible to ever get it...

They've never given any proper thought to the Gold Saucer games. Tournaments, matchmaking, point rewards, pricing of related items (chocobo feed, triple triad packs), or even the basic mechanics (what is the point of 4 star cards in triple triad?). I can't imagine they are going to start considering these things any time soon, even though they spend a tremendous amount of time and effort programming this stuff. Funny how they nail all of the advanced programming, but fail in the most basic game logic.

So is verminion dead in the water yet?

They probably won't fix it, I mean they haven't even fixed the triple triad tourneys. It's been like, a year too.

I have no words. Thank SE I guess.

I'm disgusting and I almost lost my motivation for this game already.
I'm punish because I trained for the tournament.

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There is such an easy way to fix this thing.

Put all matches in the duty finder and the person with most wins after the tournament ends is the winner.

If multiple people has 30 wins then split the prize.

I cant understand they didn't do this right from the start with triple triad tournaments.

But i guess eventually SE will make a "fix" for this that wont really change anything then pretend everything is fine.

Honestly SE has done a really piss poor job with their mini-games. Not in the design of the game but with basic execution of tournaments and content. Rather disappointing. It would take a casual MOBA player 10 seconds to fix this.

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Originally Posted by Devils_Lawyer

There is such an easy way to fix this thing.

Put all matches in the duty finder and the person with most wins after the tournament ends is the winner.

If multiple people has 30 wins then split the prize.

I cant understand they didn't do this right from the start with triple triad tournaments.

But i guess eventually SE will make a "fix" for this that wont really change anything then pretend everything is fine.

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I think maybe due to, in this case ppl can't choose who to play/match with, and then more complaints ^^;

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Originally Posted by Nicobo

I think maybe due to, in this case ppl can't choose who to play/match with, and then more complaints ^^;

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Being able to choose who you play with will lead to win-trading. That's why most tournaments ever are random so you have to play to win.

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Originally Posted by Kurner

I have no words. Thank SE I guess.

I'm disgusting and I almost lost my motivation for this game already.
I'm punish because I trained for the tournament.

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This sucks!! Fix it!

If they're new and you're that "much" better you shouldn't be losing to them. If they eat someone ranked higher they deserve big points for their win. If they start climbing the ranks, they also like you start getting lower points for fighting new people. So to do better have to actively fight people your level but that increass the chance of you losing.

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Originally Posted by Kurner

I have no words. Thank SE I guess.

I'm disgusting and I almost lost my motivation for this game already.
I'm punish because I trained for the tournament.

http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/741296score.jpg

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So what If those people fought the top 8 ranked people more than you and thus they get more losses, but their wins mean more because they are quality wins.

If that's the case their placing is deserved.

Your friends are climping up to lose against you on purpose - most common way is with friends of friends...
That way you gain max points for sure!
(Funny part is when your friends who are trading become one of the top 10 too)

In fact you can never know if it was fair climbing or wintrading!

Square Enix is using way to less data to determinate who is "new" and RP was never a good idea in any games. The system was made for physical (real) games (card games, tabletop, soccer and so on) but its not working digitally because you do not "see" the players. In real life you can observe and see if there is wintrading but in digital games its much harder. Thats why lately it is common to use more user data to determinate the actual experience. Lets say you calculate from total games made the win/lose rato and match from that data, or what if you take the "join" date into consideration too and so on... there are nice proven formulas you can use to increase fairness, but still: you can abuse every system!

We have a lot players on the servers, first question:
Why restricting to only "servers" when we can have clusters and world wide... it will fix a lot problems with "no one is on my level"

secund question:
Is it really a problem if there are "more" 1st prizes? I mean it is common in tournaments to use groups and the winner of each group is getting a reward

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Originally Posted by Yukiko

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This is done in triple triad also, you can't win unless you wake up early morning get your Alts in the ranking boards and let them give you free wins.

I believe they should make this a literal tournament. Put you in a bracket. And you have to stay for a 8-man bracket. The winner of this 8man bracket moves on to fight other winners of the 8man bracket (bracket pools). Make the MGP gain as you progress worth staying for a few hours.

The only bad part of this is it requires people to show up at the same time for the event. But atleast it'll be pure skill and leave no loopholes for cheating.

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Originally Posted by Nicobo

I think maybe due to, in this case ppl can't choose who to play/match with, and then more complaints ^^;

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I think that they can choose who to play with. They just shouldn't be able to choose who they play with in a tournament. Tourneys should be random through the DF. Being able to pick your opponents just invites cheating. Will Random DF be perfect? Probably not. But it will be better than the current system.

System I propose is Tuesday-> Wednesday, you'll have to duty finder against 8 random people. The top 2 out of this group get to move on to next tier.
Thursday->Friday. The people who didn't make top 2 before get a consolation prize. The top 2 move on to fight the other people who made top 2. Play 8 games again, if you didn't make top 2 this time you can get a bonus consolation prize if you play another 8 matches. This will populate duty finder so people who have played their 8 yet can still find opponents.
Repeat until a handful are left. Say like top 16. Then you have to play a bracket match with them. It'll try to let you know when you're both online. If players refuse to play eachother, the one with the most points moves on, if the one with the most points tries to abuse this by not accepting, the other player sends you a duty challenge 3 times while not in afk mode. The person not accepting will instead be DQ.

Ok so now I need explication...

How this guy get 1 500 points ? That means he won 50 points EVERY WATCH he played ! And how it is possible if he won RP every victory ?

Why is it so wrong in so many level ?!

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Originally Posted by Critical-Limit

So what If those people fought the top 8 ranked people more than you and thus they get more losses, but their wins mean more because they are quality wins.

If that's the case their placing is deserved.

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What ? That doesn't make any sense. Why my victory should not be "quality wins" ? A victory is a victory. I should have the same points than other people for my victory against low and high rank.

The problem with both the triple triad and the vermilion tournament is that you can challenge a specific player and that is the reason why we:

1: Has a point system so that high skilled players don't crush less skilled ones for easy points.

2: Why some people can use this to win trade with other players.

And the super easy way to fix this is to make every tournament match go thru the DF so players cant control who they battle and make every win give a fixed amount of points regardless of their opponents skill level or RP.

I Agree with you Devil, they should also do a DF for Triple Triad too.

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Originally Posted by Meirii

I Agree with you Devil, they should also do a DF for Triple Triad too.

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that would be a good idea. though the point system also makes it difficult to have that fair. it would almost mean that whoever is first is pure the DF luck. seeying if you get put with someone very low in rank u get little points and when with someone around urs or higher u get the most point u can get. personally the whole point system needs a revamp aswell as adding that DF idea. kinda sad that no one from SE even replied