Void Ark Vs. Crystal Tower: Pros & Cons

Post your thoughts. I'll post mine in a separate comment so people focus on their own experiences.

Void Ark.

Pro- trash is fun and not locked in a circular room. You automatically get the item for gear upgrade for the week when the last boss is killed. Requires you work with each other. Last boss all 3 tanks are needed.

Con- People think their gods and can face roll everything. You can't.

Crystal Tower:
+ Nostalgia
+ Music
+ Fun Bosses

Void Ark:
+ Beautiful area
+ No limited "rooms"
+ Feels like a FATE (far more fluid)

Now for the cons:
- I enjoyed the (spoiler) character that shows up to tell the story, but it didn't feel fully Final Fantasy to me while battling through the Void Ark. It felt like something very different until you got to the story at the end. The bosses had a very different feel to them, even for Void enemies. It felt epic, but it just missed something truly Final Fantasy about it. I can't put my finger on it.
- The mechanics felt a little less involved than previous iterations. I don't know if I liked that, it felt a lot easier to accomplish and I felt a lot less satisfaction when I finished it. I know it's intended for easier players, but every boss in World of Darkness was truly unique and magnificient in strategy.

I'm really hoping that the next iteration explores the Void a bit more.

- The difficulty. Even on day 1 people wiped 2 times at the hardest parts then listened to 2 little things like "please kill THOSE specific adds asap, they bring wipes; Please hide now" and facerolled it. I know 24 men is meant to be easy, but this is along the lines of ct2, with bone dragon, angra mainu and cloud being in different yet casual enough leagues. Im sure wod still has more fails than ark xD

- the loot. Its comfortable for the granted drop, but 1 run for 2 pieces and week done. It might have been the same earlier arr (probably, so unfair point), but when i started i ran ct triple for upgrade

- the alternative: unlimited 210s from diadem, no raid qualities required either

-> 1 hour to get new content done for all week. Alex took me more, and ct triple as well.

-> else gj. Pretty much ct 2 equivalent, so if they add next patches up to triple voidark and include a few mechanics, as well as make it average joes home to gear up, im sold. Looks and plays good.

Pros:
2 pieces of gear per boss
Trash doesn't lock people out. Few exceptions, but those fall between trash and full bosses.
1 upgrade item per week no matter what. I liked that this was also done once all 3 CT were out.

I'm so glad they doubled the amount of drops compared to CT. Any increased chance of your item dropping is always welcome IMO. I do like how open the CT raids feel though, VA is closed-in but it is understandable given where it takes place but even then it's a hundred times better than the claustrophobic alex raid. Either way I have fun with it, if a friend needed to run it I'd match their class and run if I have it unlocked so they can get it.

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Originally Posted by TiaHeart

- The difficulty. Even on day 1 people wiped 2 times at the hardest parts then listened to 2 little things like "please kill THOSE specific adds asap, they bring wipes; Please hide now" and facerolled it. I know 24 men is meant to be easy, but this is along the lines of ct2, with bone dragon, angra mainu and cloud being in different yet casual enough leagues. Im sure wod still has more fails than ark xD

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A note on this, I found the first day/month runs in both ST and WoD to be far smoother than the ones that came after people had run enough to gear their primary class. After that amount of time, there seemed to be a steady decrease in the quality of players, ie. FATE tanks and the like showing up.

My favorite color is purple.Alot of void ark is black and purple.


I was happy, no downside. Best 24 man thus far

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Originally Posted by LeeraSorlan

My favorite color is purple.Alot of void ark is black and purple.


I was happy, no downside. Best 24 man thus far

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Best answer yet haha. I liked it, still really love WoD though (or maybe not, finally did it again last week just for fun but was a bit bored half way through. I just love that first boss when the floor changes colour and then it screams out when hitting everyone on the opposite colour etc). This new one I found a bit chaotic at times, only done it once though but didn't wipe or have to restart any battle, so not sure if it was just a good group of people or what but seemed easier than WoD. Main issue was trying to heal the 1 or 2 DPS that would always insist on being at the total opposite side of the arena lol.

Void Ark

Pros:
1. Its more interesting than the main storyline lol

Cons:
1. In 2.x raids the boss fight arenas gave the impression of scale. I don't get that so much in Void Ark.

Cetus, Cuchulain, -> the arena feels so small for so many people its claustrophobic
Plant thing, Echidna -> The battlefields are large, but not used much.

It felt that 2.x raids did a better job of forcing you to spread out for longer periods, eg Scylla's orbs, flare, and having to stack on pads
In Void Ark I'm like "hey, get out of my way your blocking the view and all the telegraphed attack x_x"

Pro: two chests.

Con: three striking legs fell in one run. Two on the same boss.

Pro: Not a bunch of circles with stairs connecting them. (Though I understand why ST did this.)

Con: as mentioned above, lacks the impression of size that the others had. I don't know how much of a con this is though, but the ship seemed much bigger to look at than it felt from the inside.

Pro: Music, aesthetics (okay look walking around a ship filled with coffins was a bit unsettling and I kept asking "WTF went down here???"), gear, that upgrade item at the end.

Cons: It was pretty easy. I don't mind this too much but I can see some people not being happy about it. Also it's a tentacle dungeon :( Get the gross tentacles away from me thanks.

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Originally Posted by AskaRay

It was pretty easy.

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It was way more easy that any CT before.

First an second boss was ... ok.

The tentacle boss was the onliest interesting one.

Final boss was a joke.

It was pretty cool looking... I'd say it's more visually appealing than CT was, but it still suffers from the one, single, absolutely debilitating feature that made the CT raids unbearable, especially for Tanks: There's still 24 horrendously inept people gathered in one spot, trolling one another.


In all seriousness, I'm not going to complain about difficulty or anything. It's a casual raid. You get what you paid for, so the saying goes, but it really is insufferable to have that many morons yelling at one another for stupid reasons in the chat box, and I can already tell this is going to have the same catastrophic pitfalls as ST and WoD. There's only 3 tanks, and they have the responsibility of trying to make order out of 24-man chaos. Worse yet, you get a lot of "tanks" who think they're all that and a bag of chips trying to call the shots and be big boys... only most of them suck, so the one good one in the group has to try hold things together while the other two fight for aggro and yell at one another for not doing their jobs, and Tank penis envy only makes it worse.

I've only done one run of this raid so far (mostly thanks to SE's 3.1 glitch-fest), and I went as a Drg for the sake of que times. It seemed okay until about half way through... and then it happened. Tanks yelling at one another, Dps saying the tanks suck (despite Dps being the most mindless job and being in no position to criticize anyone), fights for aggro, people barking orders over one another in the chat box, and the rest of us just sitting in a corner while the morons worked their problems out... It was utter anarchy. I know I'm gonna have to tank this eventually (for the sake of my FC's sanity) but I'm not looking forward to having to fight off all the trolls when the time comes.

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Originally Posted by Februs

I've only done one run of this raid so far (mostly thanks to SE's 3.1 glitch-fest), and I went as a Drg for the sake of que times. It seemed okay until about half way through... and then it happened. Tanks yelling at one another, Dps saying the tanks suck (despite Dps being the most mindless job and being in no position to criticize anyone), fights for aggro, people barking orders over one another in the chat box, and the rest of us just sitting in a corner while the morons worked their problems out...

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Lmao, same exact thing here. Finally the tank in our party decided to put his tank stance on after second boss and I stopped DRG tanking lol

I like the new one, feels more fluid, more like a dungeon than the CT series which was broke into segments for trash and bosses. Not too difficult, we had quite a few people (10+ at least) get their achievement at the end, so for that many new people we only wiped once on the 3rd boss. I think my fav part was the slow warp-jump things. All the other ones just fling you around, the slow seems more dramatic I think xD