If gathers can roll on loot from exploritory missions.

We should be able to roll on what they are gathering. Also, ive been told you can roll need on something by switching classes before you roll.

So, healer pants drop you switch from dragoon to healer and hit need. Not sure if that's 100% accurate but if its true its bs. Someone from one of our fc groups said a pug did it last night.

Solution if it truly is a thing:
Lock your class during loot rolls.

Problem solved.

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Originally Posted by Sylve

Solution if it truly is a thing:
Lock your class during loot rolls.

Problem solved.

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How do you lock someone from changing classes? Or are you talking about them changing it?

There is no "need". Just greed.

i got a treasure chest while fishing, opened it and the loot (some crafting materials) was going into the pocket of the battle classes.

that was after our premade group has left and some new people joined in progress (thought you can't join in progress? do they have a new timer then but in the same group?). after i passed on all their loot i was a little upset :x

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Originally Posted by cgbspender

There is no "need". Just greed.

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You can need items for your class. We did it last night, we got 4 210 pieces and the classes that needed them hit need and got them. How crappy would it be if a pie ss crit chest dropped and the whm had to roll greed lol.

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Originally Posted by Asmodai

How do you lock someone from changing classes? Or are you talking about them changing it?

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Basically just have the loot rolling period treated as being "in combat" for the purposes of changing gear. If you cant change your gear, you cannot change your job.

Essentially, he's concerned that PuGs are seeing loot they want and then changing to another Role in order to Need on it. Such a tweak would lock you onto whatever job you were on at the time the box opened until the loot is distributed.

you can only roll need if you go premade from your FC airship. from ishgard, premade or random doesn't matter, you can only roll greed

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Originally Posted by Asmodai

We should be able to roll on what they are gathering. Also, ive been told you can roll need on something by switching classes before you roll.

So, healer pants drop you switch from dragoon to healer and hit need. Not sure if that's 100% accurate but if its true its bs. Someone from one of our fc groups said a pug did it last night.

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Yeah you can't do that. Our group tested it out.
We killed an enemy, a Fending helmet and Slaying accessory dropped. Our tank switched to Monk and could not roll Need on the Slaying but could on the Fending still.

Also of note: after that, he switched to Fisher. We found more treasure coffers, and he could now roll Need on Slaying (probably because Monk was his last class). He could not roll need on fending

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Originally Posted by Asmodai

We should be able to roll on what they are gathering.

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If it come from a chest you can roll on it. No roll on things that go direct into the inventory.

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Originally Posted by Tint

you can only roll need if you go premade from your FC airship. from ishgard, premade or random doesn't matter, you can only roll greed

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This not true as my static went in there last night not with FC airship and if the gear was slated for your job you could roll need on it. All the trash gear that is turned in for tokens as well as the 210 gear that dropped.

So you are whinning that your own FC is shafting people changing jobs and rolling need? Thats a so awsome FC you have there.

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Originally Posted by Myrhn

So you are whinning that your own FC is shafting people changing jobs and rolling need? Thats a so awsome FC you have there.

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So many misunderstandings in this thread, wow.

OP is talking about going thru DF, not their fc.

-It's greed only for everything no matter what when you go thru ishgard
-You can't kick ppl for any reason whatsoever
-You can lot on stuff your party fights even if you were miles away

I'm in a run right now where a guy started off asking "Btw you guys a premade?"...several say no, he goes "gl then", changes to miner, still lotting everything, and nothing can be done except to join them.

So now half our party is gathering.

So you have 3 options:
1. Deal with it.
2. Can't fight em, join em.
3. Only go thru FC.

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He talked about people changing jobs and roll NEED on stuff and that is imposible if you go on Ishgard. The only way to roll need is going with your fc on your airship.

Says he's been told that. It's just incorrect for the way he's going about it.

I think if you have a full party premade no matter WHERE you embark from, you can change loot rules, however if random people were added to your party (whether alone or with anything less than a light party) then it's Greed Only

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Originally Posted by Asmodai

You can need items for your class. We did it last night, we got 4 210 pieces and the classes that needed them hit need and got them. How crappy would it be if a pie ss crit chest dropped and the whm had to roll greed lol.

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You cant switch after chest is opened, to bring that item to "need"able.

missed out a BLM Robe with crit, det AND ss on it, but i was forced to go SCH on that starmob as my party was just.... "no comment"

desperately wanted to have it, so my guess was to switch class, but with no success.

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Originally Posted by Tint

you can only roll need if you go premade from your FC airship. from ishgard, premade or random doesn't matter, you can only roll greed

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Premade from ishgard allows standard need/greed. Did that yesterday.

I guess we will have to wait and see what SE does with the exploration missions. This is going to be a big sticking point for a lot of people in respect to being able to roll on loot that you had no hand in getting because you were either gathering or no where near where the enemies were killed. It goes to the same concept of something like a pony farm like Levi where someone dies by falling in the water then still able to roll. When they get the pony you want to curse Rngesus

Gatherers can find chests, as well. Our group decided to harvest/fish in the last 10 minutes last night and found 5 chests in the process, including silver (normal mode). I think two were from fishing and the rest were buried near nodes.

We had set a time for them to gather and everyone was pretty pleased with it. It might not be the norm but you can't expect much from DF.

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Originally Posted by Asmodai

Also, ive been told you can roll need on something by switching classes before you roll.

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False, you're still recognized as the class you were before the chest was opened.

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Originally Posted by Tint

you can only roll need if you go premade from your FC airship. from ishgard, premade or random doesn't matter, you can only roll greed

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Not true if you PF and go in with a premade for Ishgard you can need stuff, did it the other day everyone kept needing stuff changing jobs to switch what they were needing on because some guy wasn't on X job.

You should absolutely not be able to roll on gatherers' spoils! They leveled their class to 60, they spent the time, they did the work.

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Originally Posted by DisFlavored

You should absolutely not be able to roll on gatherers' spoils! They leveled their class to 60, they spent the time, they did the work.

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Yeah, no. Had a fisher who never fought anything beyond what was required to unlock flying lot and win on the i210 drop for my main job. He's over there gathering, and he doesn't depend on the group to fish. Every fight without people there fighting is more and more of an uphill battle with people off gathering. If he can nab i210 stuff from people on the job that can use it that are out there actually fighting, we should be getting more of their harvested items.

Personally, I wouldn't even mind if every time something is harvested, it randomly goes to one of the party members instead of straight to the gatherer just in the interest of fairness.

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Originally Posted by Asmodai

We should be able to roll on what they are gathering.

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If they dig up chests, the contents are randomly distributed to the party.

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Originally Posted by Tint

you can only roll need if you go premade from your FC airship. from ishgard, premade or random doesn't matter, you can only roll greed

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Not true. Full premade can roll Need on items for their class even if you depart from Ishgard.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

If they dig up chests, the contents are randomly distributed to the party.

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This point is skimmed over by many...

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

Not true. Full premade can roll Need on items for their class even if you depart from Ishgard.

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Because the content was designed around full premades either from FCs or friends/LS members, so it is expected that everyone will agree ahead of time on loot. Which is why Need is not enabled in PUGs in this content. Right?

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Originally Posted by Tint

you can only roll need if you go premade from your FC airship. from ishgard, premade or random doesn't matter, you can only roll greed

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You can roll need in an ishgard premade