St. Mocianne's Arvboretum Boss Notes

Dungeon drops I185 gear lol. Law gear now useless.

1. Rose Garden
- Extremely Bad Breath - Rotating Bad breath cone attack, clockwise. Does the usual debuffs. She rotates only when the small marlboros are out.
- Mini Marlboros - untargettable adds, casts small cone bad breath, easily dodgeable.

Will update as we finish more bosses.

2. Queen Hark
- Boss is almost like the second boss of Dzemael Darkgold. Summons untargettable adds in the periphery that tosses aoes and DD at the party. Most are linear aoes and easy to avoid. Otherwise standard boss fare.

3. Belladonna (Forgot some of the boss attack names lol)
Same as last 2 bosses, summons untargettable adds. Adds have an aoe around them that does magic resistance debuff. Avoid as the boss is magic damage based.
- Frond Fatale - AOE mass Seduce with no floor marker. Can be dodged if you get far enough.
- Petal - Targetted AOE around each character. Avoid stacking to minimize damage.
- Atropine.. Spore? - AOE attack with the safe area just around melee range of the boss. Similar to chimera. Get close to avoid.
- Soul..."something" - Room AOE. AFAIK undodgeable but low damage.

Frond Fatale is a Gaze attack. It can be dodged by looking away.

Soul Siphon is weak on its own, but it deals magic damage. This wouldn't be a problem, but getting hit by Belladonna's adds inflicts you with Magic Vul. Up. He normally uses it after summoning a second set of adds that overlap with the first.

Is this one opened through Storyline? Or is it also optional and available right away?

Also, does expert only open after both dungeons have been completed once? Or is it available once both dungeons are available?

Head to the Dravanian Hinterlands and there's a quest marker. It leads to this dungeon. No it's not storyline and yes you need to finish it once along with Pharos Sirius HM to access Expert Roulette again.

Cool, thanks. I'm still at work :mad: Just planning my evening :p

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Originally Posted by MeoTwister5

Dungeon drops I185 gear lol. Law gear now useless.

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What exactly about this is "lol"?
You need ilvl170 to enter the dungeon and therefor, Law is already useless to your Main Job.

@Dungeon
It is a good looking and fun Dungeon. I like that one already much more than the old Expert Dungeons.

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Originally Posted by MeoTwister5

1. Rose Garden
Extremely Bad Breath - Rotating Bad breath cone attack, clockwise.

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Seems like rotation switches between clockwise > counter clockwise > clockwise.

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2. Queen Hark
Boss is almost like the second boss of Dzemael Darkgold. Summons untargettable adds in the periphery that tosses aoes and DD at the party. Most are linear aoes and easy to avoid. Otherwise standard boss fare.

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Actually it is a little more complicated. You have to watch for the bees, and when they line up in the cross formation, run to the side between them. They attack all at once and can instantly kill is you have lower hp. In the second half of the fight everyone also gets quite a lot of damage.

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3. Belladonna
Frond Fatale

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As AI_wass mentioned, you can dodge it by turning away. This skill is used quite often. If you get confused, it will make you run to magic resistance debuff circle, so watch out.

Question for Healers:

How do you handle the bees? Specifically the bee swarm right before the Hive Queen boss fight where you have to burn down the Honeycomb wall?

I run the new dungeons all the time and I;m always a little worried when i get Arvboretum because of the bees. Soemtimes we pull through and beat them all and usually somebody (tank) dies from the bee stings. sometimes the groups prefer to burn down the honeyomb and skip the bees?

What the ideal way to handle this?

Ideal is what you can handle.
You don't HAVE to burn down the honeycomb. You can attack it until the bees spawn, kill the adds, then keep attacking the honeycomb again until the next adds spawn, kill them again and so on. They spawn based on % HP of the honeycomb, not based on how much time has passed, so if you regulary have tanks dying to the bees, ask you group beforehand to please kill the bees before they proceed to destroy the wall.

If you feel comfortable to burn the wall down though, there are a few things I do to handle it. First, and most importantly, I make sure to NOT use Essential Dignity/Lustrate until the sting has hit, as well as keep the tank close to full HP all the time. A bit of overhealing is fine there ;) Because otherwise the sting will kill the tank instantly, or if he survives with a few hundred HP and I don't have Essential Dignity ready, he'll die from the other adds hitting him with their normal attacks while I'm still casting a normal heal.
Something else I do is keep the first bee that appeared in focus target. When I see it casting Final Sting, I use Celestial Opposition and pray to the stars that no stupid DPS already made it immune to stuns.

With this, I usually have no trouble keeping everyone alive until the wall is down and everyone can jump into the boss room :)

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Originally Posted by TristanBlane

Question for Healers:

How do you handle the bees?

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It should be noted that the bees are not "the healer's" problem.
They are the party's problem.

Tank can stun them, DPS can stun them, DPS can kill them...
All options that should be held accountable alongside healers... not healers only. 4/4's of the party can have an affect on the mechanic, here. That means it's never 1/4 of the party's single fault if the mechanic goes off.

Anyone blaming any single party-member for a bee issue is only covering up their own lack of foresight for the fight's required mechanics.

Bee clouds and Orn Hornets are the ones that final sting. the rest do not afaik. So kill those.

It's only the Orn Hornets. The Healer should (normally) not have to worry about this. I've run it on healer with a Paladin who didn't pop any cooldowns for the bee swarm (requiring me to just bomb him with heals - couldn't even break to swift a holy if I wanted to) and he dropped to final sting because he didn't stun it.

As a tank, you should be holding your stun, maintaining hate, cycling cooldowns and *single-target-dpsing* the Orn Hornet. You should be able to kill it before the second one spawns (be sure to stun Final Sting). Never blame the healer if the tank dies to Final Sting. It's generally the rest of the party's job to make sure that doesn't happen.


Aside from that, as a healer, I just do what my tank is comfortable with. I can heal through the bees if I have to, but I generally prefer it if the party kills the group at the first honeycomb before running to the second. When I tank it, that's what I do, just because I know how much strain is put on healers when you make that obnoxiously huge pull. I'd rather one-shot than wipe while trying to shave off 1 minute of dungeon time.

It's sweet how people still expect others to do their job if it involves more than "blindly hitting the first thing I see" :rolleyes:
It's the healer's job to keep everyone alive, so there is no point in playing the blame game after someone died, since I DO have the ability to stun/knockback.
Yes, tanks and dps have that too, but, again, would you really rather rely on other party members only to be blamed later?
Because, after all, they have one argument you can't say anything about: final sting does not kill the tank. Your lack of healing or reaction speed kills him. The fact that it is WAY HARDER to save a tank who got hit by final sting than to just stun the cast does not matter, in the end the tank died to something that doesn't take his full HP, so it's the healer's fault if he drops.

That said, I dislike the full pull too. There is just so much dmg I have to heal away, that both tank and healer end up pretty spent on mana once we enter the boss room. And being still engaged, the regeneration takes ages. In that time, we could have just killed the first group up there..xD
I know how to conserve enough MP to start the fight immediately, but then you get DRKs and PLDs who are like "I'm ooM, we can't start yet or I won't be able to aggro the adds" and ignore anyone who tells them that they do not need to be aggro'd.
And then there's the group of tanks who flatout refuse to start a fight without the healer at full MP, even if I explicitly say I'm fine and we can start.
So yeah, the big pull does not end up saving as much time as many people think it does :)

On another note, this dungeon is beautiful at night.