Hello, hi!
So I just got my Bard to level 60 and the change is very dramatic as most people are already aware of, so I'll get straight to the point. What is a solid or good Bard opener rotation at level 60? I'm hearing a lot of conflicting opinions about MW being useful and useless, and I'm very confused if I should leave it on all the time, or if I should be stance dancing.
Opinions and suggestions on how to play with the new skills would be appreciated.
Thanks!
Level 60 Bard Opener/Rotation Please
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11-09-2015, 01:15 PMVivi_BushidoLevel 60 Bard Opener/Rotation Please
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11-09-2015, 01:37 PMIz_Lemon
I haven't got my bard to 60 so can't answer your main question, but no one is saying wanderer's minuet is useless. There are certainly lots of people that don't LIKE it, but it is definitely not useless. Your rotation will be based around having wander's minuet up whenever you're not moving, really.
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11-09-2015, 06:31 PMAskaRay
Well I can tell you what I use when I'm not being a lazy bard. It's not perf but... it works for now.
WM prepull
IR + B4B + RS + HS (yes all at once)
Bloodletter
Windbite
Venomous Bite
Barrage + Empyreal Arrow
Straight Shot
Heavy Shot
right before the DOTs all fall off I use Iron Jaws for a bit more length to the buffed DOTs.
then it's wait for SS/BL/EA procs.
In there somewhere I cast Flaming Arrow, usually after the first SS. I tend to forget though (bad bard), but you should do it.
I only use Barrage w/EA...just, if you were wondering to do that or not...
EDIT: ah yes I just keep WM on for most of the time. I have Feint CC in case I need to move for a GCD or two... anything longer than that and I turn it off to run around or whatever happened, then turn it back on.
Some people like to turn off WM and stance dance between Empyreal Arrows but I haven't done a proper test of that myself yet...honestly I feel like it would be negligible with the amount of effort but hey, whatever. -
11-09-2015, 07:12 PMChoko_TS
http://angered.guildwork.com/forum/t...ide-by-krietor
Your welcome, one of the best bards and guides out there. tho this is pretty much tuned to highest dps as possible, so u'll need some practice on a dummy :p -
11-09-2015, 10:41 PMrappa
Another guide
One empyreal opener
Krietor's guide is double Empyreal, was posted by Choko_TS
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11-10-2015, 07:04 PMruskie
I use a slightly modified Krietor's myself - and relying on ~600 skill speed. For the most part though came up with it myself already while leveling.
I have WM up anyway so not adding an explicit on.
Warden's useless on our war since he pops beserk quite a fair way in - coordinate this with your wars if you want to use it
Foe Requiem - if I know healer DPSing or if any caster or at times even for a nin.
~5s pre pull - Quelling Strikes+Battle Voice
Blood for Blood+Hawk's Eye+Raging Strikes+Barrage - I could probably get a tiny increase here if I waited for a disembowel but without a nin for another bonus on it kinda want to get stuff on CD asap.
-> PULL Empyreal Arrow (need to hit when the tank does the first hit on the boss - you kinda need consistency for this from the tank sadly some pull on the dot, some pull randomly, some pull 3s earlier etc...)
Straight Shot
Rain of Death or Bloodletter (if healers are not dpsing)
Internal Release(usually a dragoon will pop battle litany near here as well)
Windbite
Blunt Arrow
Venomous Bite
Flaming Arrow
Heavy Shot(just padding a bit for the dots to be registered - in case I manage to place flaming arrow fast)
I will likely pop a potion here
Sidewinder
Heavy Shot
Empyreal Arrow or Iron Jaws - depending on timer - I rather reclip the dots to have a longer uptime on them while buffed rather then a buffed empy but generally can pull off both. -
11-11-2015, 04:09 AMAkashiXI
^ That opener isn't optimized because you're blowing Barrage at the start. Wait further into your rotation so you gain the benefits of Trick Attack or Hypercharge.
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11-11-2015, 04:37 PMruskiea) don't have a nin around 99% of the time so no trick attack(even DF tends to pair me with double dragoons or dragoon and monk a lot of the times),Quote:
Originally Posted by AkashiXI
b) don't have a mch around for that as well(and well in DF haven't seen any mch use it as well if I did have them around).
I do adjust it if I do get a nin around. But frankly in DF not worth it since nins are so inconsistent with applying it.
Unlike Foe Requiem which you can put up pre pull everything else tends to be inconsistently applied so unless you have a known team that you know how they do things it's pointless.
Yes I've had nin's that applied trick attack 20s into the pull... when all my CDs fell off already. And I did mention that it would need to be adjusted for that. It's optimized for not having a nin around and last I checked most teams prefer 1 physical ranged dps so relying on a mch around other than in DF kinda goes moot. -
11-12-2015, 01:45 AMAkashiXI
You should still wait for Disembowel, which will be up in about 10 seconds.
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11-12-2015, 05:20 PMruskieYeah I need to check on that but have been considering delaying it.Quote:
Originally Posted by AkashiXI
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11-14-2015, 04:10 AMViar
Separating IR from FA by two GCD's and from Sidewinder by three GCD's isn't optimal in the slightest. Depends on the fight, of course, but it's a waste.
Moving potion to IR's place and IR to Blunt Arrow should give you more DPS, and IJ should be able to catch potion before it expires. -
11-20-2015, 10:20 AMStrejdaTom
What do you guys think about no WM openers? I have seen lots of BRDs use them but don't really see a huge advantage in them.
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11-22-2015, 04:13 AMAkashiXILate reply, but it's a minimal difference. I did 30 openers, 30 3min dummy tests on both WM and non WM (90 tests in total), and the difference was between 30-80. Crit% was identical, and honestly the highest runs were the ones where I lucked on a crit Sidewinder and Straighter Shots towards the end of my opener.Quote:
Originally Posted by StrejdaTom
That being said, the WM openers still won the majority, and was much more consistent as well. I can see a non WM opener being useful for AS4, but that's only if you feel uncomfortable staggering your movement at the start to get the effects of Battle litany in WM. -
08-24-2016, 02:34 AMTheMoogePostThis link doesn't work, do you have an updated one?Quote:
Originally Posted by Choko_TS
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08-24-2016, 05:01 AMAskaRayhttp://valkyrie-ffxiv.guildwork.com/...ard-bard-guideQuote:
Originally Posted by TheMoogePost
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08-30-2016, 11:02 AMFevelleI played bard before deleting my old character and now I'm getting back to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by AskaRay
Do you know if in case I'm not using a dex potion I can keep Minuet on during the double Emp. Arrow opener? I'm currently ilv205 with a ilv235 weapon from Palace of the Dead, no melds whatsoever. I'm hitting 1250ish DPS with my current rotation (a flawed double Empyreal Arrow opener I came with on my own - no pots, no party, nothing but the bard skills).
I usually see my numbers going through SSS and calculating the damage output through a link posted on the forums a while ago, is that ok? -
08-30-2016, 02:34 PMAskaRayI don't use Krietor's exact opener either, but if you're going to follow his, I'd say you can keep WM on if you'd like- since you aren't activating the potion you don't need to double-weave the pot with IR. So it would be up to you if you really want that one auto-attack (personally I don't think it's worth it)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fevelle