Taking a closer look at the inscription on the Astaroth's Cane, I noticed on one side the inscription is backwards/mirrored and the other side isn't. The mirrored side happens to be the one shown when in passive mode too. Is this just a graphical error? Or is the stone supposed to be cut through? To me it looks as if the inscription was etched in. :confused:
Also might there be some place that shows more of the Eorzan version of the alphabet? I can only guess at the inscription saying "Thou art that and thou is all" from what few examples I've been able to find.
This is an image of the inscription as readable un-mirrored Eorzan old English.
Astaroth Cane While in Passive Inscription is Backwards!
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10-13-2011, 04:01 PMZuellniAstaroth Cane While in Passive Inscription is Backwards!
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10-13-2011, 04:43 PMAnonymoose
This has bugged me for a while. I don't think the LOCies can do much about it, though, it's an art display packet (part of the gear itself) in all versions.
Eorzean Alphabet -
10-13-2011, 05:07 PMZuellni
Thank you for the chart. It's exactly the sort of thing I was looking for. :)
I guess I'll just have to pretend the inscription was cut through the stone and not etched. ;) -
10-13-2011, 05:10 PMAnonymoose
Np. I tend to double-check with this font, if you're looking for something like that.
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10-14-2011, 12:35 PMEemeefuNoooice find, Zuel. Like Moose said, it's not a loc bug, but I've forwarded it and your screenshot along to the dev team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zuellni
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10-15-2011, 05:12 AMUrthdiggerThere's numbers too:Quote:
Originally Posted by Anonymoose
1: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/urth/1.png
2: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/urth/2.png
3: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/urth/3.png
4: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/urth/4.png
5: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/urth/5.png
6: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/urth/6.png
7: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/urth/7.png
8: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/urth/8.png
9: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/urth/9.png
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11-17-2011, 10:26 AMUmoCould anyone please translate this sentence to modern English? I'm interested on this kind of things, but as you can read on my signature, English is not my mother language, so it's pretty difficult to me to understand this arcaic/poetic words.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zuellni
Art = Are?
Thou = You?
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11-17-2011, 03:14 PMUrthdigger
It would seem to be "You are that and you are all", which doesn't make a lick of sense.
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11-17-2011, 08:47 PMUmoThat's what I figured out and it doesn't make a lick of sense for me neither. Anyways, thank you for quick response Urthdigger ^_^/Quote:
Originally Posted by Urthdigger
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11-18-2011, 02:49 AMAnonymoose
"Thou art that" is a semi-well known saying from the Hindu Upanishads that basically means "You (the self) are," depending on the reading, "part of (or identical to) the supreme spirit of all that is reality." It's kind of hard to explain, the concept of Brahman is complex and unique to say the least.
The second half of it isn't part of the Upanishads, but since "Thou art that" leaves the door open to be interpreted as the Self being either PART OF or ALL OF the universal spirit, I'd assume that adding "and thou is all" just clarifies what they were going for.
So, the message is "You are the underlying spirit of all that is real," which sounds like something a Conjurer would say, really. The ability to manifest (conjure) the elements (and life-force itself) from nothingness is something that the spirit of reality could probably accomplish.
The only thing I find ambiguous is... what about this relates to Astaroth? I can kinda piece it together, I guess. Astaroth is commonly mentioned in grimoires that that specializes in summoning demons. Batraal's a demon... so... there's that. But why it would an Astaroth Cane would have that saying inscribed on it ... got me.
Can't help but wonder if Ferne or Emee is going to try to let this go, since it's a solved issue, but eventually cave one day while engaged in a conversation with the lore gods and ask, "Sooo... about that cane...." -
11-18-2011, 07:04 AMViridiana
But. . . isn't "Thou is all" grammatically incorrect? Call the Loc team back! >_>
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11-18-2011, 10:07 AMAnonymoose
It would definitely be wrong if the second thou was referring to the person. The way I'm reading it, it's saying
Thou (You)
art (are)
that (all that is reality)
and
Thou (Thou; NOUN, not PRONOUN.)
is
all (things at once).
So if a Thou is all things at one, then you are as well. Therefore, in reverse:
Thou art that and thou is all.
It sounds like a conjurer-y harmony hippy thing based on some deep Hindu lore.
REMINDER: THIS ENTIRE ASSUMPTION IS BASED ON THE POSSIBILITY THAT A JAPANESE ART PACKET DESIGNER KNEW OF THE UPANISHADS AND DECIDED TO WRITE AN ENGLISH-TRANSLATED QUOTATION OF IT ON AN IN-GAME ITEM - AND THAT NOTHING WE ARE SEEING IS A TYPO.
I don't know how probable all of that being true is; especially the part that assumes there's no room for error... they did... you know, put it in the game horizontally inverted and all... -
11-18-2011, 04:41 PMEemeefu
Let me hop in here for a sec, fellas.
Actually, when we were first asked for the text for this inscription prior to release, we gave the designer "Thou are that and that is all," and assumed they could handle a simple copy paste job. Oh, how wrong we were...
So, when Zuel first reported the "backwards inscription" bug and I took a look at it on-screen, I noticed that they had, in fact, taken the liberty of typing in the English rather than copy pasting it, and had, in fact, managed to botch it by getting one of the seven words wrong. When I forwarded the bug along, I also reported this issue, which they were able to promptly fix--the corrected text will go live in the next patch.
I was informed, unfortunately, that there is nothing that could/would be done about the inverted text on the reverse side of the stone. What say we just chalk that one up to some in-game magic anomaly?
I honestly don't know whether to be amazed you got this reference, or disappointed you missed the soupçon one, Moose.Quote:
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Now if you'll excuse me, while you're all napping away in the Occident and elsewhere, it's getting awful close to Beer:30 over here... -
11-18-2011, 05:14 PMViridianaThat's actually what I assumed the quote was supposed to be. Mostly because it makes the quote grammatically correct. >_>Quote:
Originally Posted by Eemeefu
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11-19-2011, 11:07 AMAnonymooseI'm gonna stick with my erroneous assumption that it's a stone with the inscription laid straight through it; I've seen such a thing before (I think stonesmiths like showing off that they can carve a perfect 3D letter out of stone and then LAY IT THROUGH another stone.).Quote:
Originally Posted by Eemeefu
While the assumptions NETFLIX makes to my taste in movies have been quite askew lately, I did have what I consider to be the best philosophy professor on this planet. The Vedas and the Upanishads were two of the first things we blew through on "the ten most important religious texts ever" tour.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eemeefu