Fishing Brainstorming: New Ideas & Additions

I think it would be great to get a thread going about what would be excellent as additions to fishing. See what the community can come up with for ideas. I know there are tons of problems to be addressed before new things such as this would be added, but its always good for morale to discuss exciting new ideas, even if they don't end up in the game.

Anywhoo what ideas do you have, lets get a big fishing idea thread going here. I can edit in the suggestions for easy viewing after you post them :)


Compiled Ideas




Drinkable Water Sources

Essence of Baits

Fish Pheromones (Buy With Guild Marks)

Fishing Shacks

Fly Fishing

Gathering Water

Harpooning

Harvestible Monsters & Notorious Monsters (NM)

Ice Fishing

Messages in a Bottle

Monster Dropped Bait (Buy With Guild Marks)

Net Fishing

Net Fishing 2

[No Fishing!] Signs

Notorious Monster Baiting
Notorious Monster Baiting 2
Notorious Monster Baiting 3

Rare Encounters with Mythical beings from legends

Rare Fish

Regional Ferries

Saltwater Cave Fishing

Spearfishing: More...Fish!

Spirit Encounters

Tacklebox 1
Tacklebox 2
Tacklebox 3 (Buy With Guild Marks)

Thanalan: More Saltwater Fishing

Variety: More Fish Combination's in All Grades

Weather Condition's Having More of an Impact

Regional Ferries: I would love to see regional Ferries. A ferry in every Major Zone (La Noscea, Thanalan, Black Shroud, Mor Dhona, Coerthas). My thoughts on this is you would go to a dock area in the region and talk to the Ferrymaster. At this point they would offer you the chance to go on a regional 'cruise' down rivers, out into the ocean, on lakes.. You know a different area based on region. There would be a small fee and you could choose length of trip. Basically you would then be sailed down the instance.

I am thinking 100gil per 10 minutes. There would be the option of 10, 30, 60 minute fishing trips. Each of these ferries would have 8 fish types total. 6 Fish from other areas and 2 exclusive to fishing off that specific regional ferry. Each time a new zone is added a new fish would be added.

Net Fishing: Fishing parties would be excellent. I know there are tons of things that could be done for this, but specifically I am thinking ocean fishing where you get several fisher players holding a net, jigging this way and that to not lose control of the net. That could be fun.

Ice Fishing: I really can't wait to see a snow/winter area added to the game. I think ice fishing would be an excellent addition to that.

NM Monster Baiting: How awesome would it be if they added Ultros as a NM to the ocean? You would need several fishers on the boat of appropriate rank to attract him. Fishers would get some sort of skill specific to assisting in the battle with the NM, or maybe just make Rock Throw target certain areas of the body so that fishers would be useful during the battle as well. The rock throw could be used to disable a devastating AOE.

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Your definitely on to something here. Im all for Ice fishing (in RL too). The implementation of a cast net (see link) would be a very cool feature. Also fly fishing would be an amazing addition, I love fly fishing, it truly is an art. The NM idea has some potential for sure



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOUkj2h2LjI

I really like your ideas for fishing and think they should be looked into. Especially the net and ice fishing, however all are great ideas.

I LOVE you NM idea! But I would also like to see the ability to fish up regular mobs. I know this would be tricky, and a feature not everyone would be interested in, so I propose the following:

-Monsters that are "fished up" give SP to fisher class only.
-Monsters are pulled up with certain bait or lures only (Maybe the wrong bait for the area, like chocobo lures in salt water)
-Monsters are easy enough to kills as fisher class, but will still pose a challenge.
-Maybe the ability to use off-hand as weapon?

Nice concept for the NM's

Perhaps a Fisher could charter/rent a boat with a party.
Leading to an instance where the fisher would need to haul in a mob (It could be a regular mob "Sea Snake", or it may be the NM "Ultros/Orthros") and then the party needs to battle it.
The would be a limit to the number of times a party could try to 'Catch the Big One' (Perhaps a limited amount of bait required could be supplied with the rental of the boat)
Fisher could have a net equipped as an off hand weapon and use it to temporarily disable the mob/MN allowing the party to conduct attacks.

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Originally Posted by Vesper

NM Monster Baiting: How awesome would it be if they added Ultros as a NM to the ocean? You would need several fishers on the boat of appropriate rank to attract him. Fishers would get some sort of skill specific to assisting in the battle with the NM, or maybe just make Rock Throw target certain areas of the body so that fishers would be useful during the battle as well. The rock throw could be used to disable a devastating AOE.

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Another thought as far as NM Baiting goes is you could have an additional NM (Added overtime) that loves fish. The attraction method would require fishers to be on the field dropping fish in various locations. Fishers would get some sort of ability that made it so only they could determine where to place the fish and to interact with said node. After doing this for a time the NM would spawn and fishers would then join in with rock throw, which would do like 1 damage if thrown randomly, but if they positioned themselves on the proper side of the body they would do much more damage and target and disable that portion of the body.

Similar system could be implemented for Botanist and Miner. A botanist could be lumberjacking and it awakens a corrupted Treant or a Miner could be mining and that piece of ore he breaks off actually ends up being a part ofhhh gargantuan Doblyn!

I love fishing like I said in the other post. I want to comment on the grade pools they have out there. if anyone can enlighten me more about the current system I am all ears. Unlike some of the trolls on this forum my quest is for knowledge not ego.

I find the some of the higher grade pools to be pragmatic at best for fishers of lower rank. Now, I am not sure exactly how the system works, but one would imply based on grade will determine which fish can be caught. But as I experiment more for new fishing spots, I find some grade 8-10 yield lower level fish (i'm level 30), but others near my rank like 5-6 yield very little possibly due to my rank. I would advocate for a more consistent way of providing more ways and places to catch target fish. We fishermen tend to stick to places where we know we can maximize our harvests, but I'd love to be able to have spots where all fish can be caught regardless of the rank. Kind of like rank 9 will yield fish rank 90 and below. Fishing in Uldah and the underlying areas are meh.

If someone can enlighten me as to the why I am having inconsistencies, I have open ears. Otherwise add it to the wish list.

Also, on the fly bait switch without canceling the fishing engine would be nice so I don't lose my Veteran's trade in effect if I happen to run out of bait. Thank you^^

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Harpooning:
With this crazy contraption just set your sites on the target/targets and let it rip!. (with an luck, you might hit something). In thoughts towards the Fisher in everything that he/she does to give them more tools to choose from this might be the next best thing, strike larger fish, and strike your enemies at the same time, "Killing Two Birds with One Stone" (sorta).

Design; Rigged with long pointy rods; wood, iron, silver, gold (5-10max) tided ropes at each end, in a wide around launching barrier, an adjustable stand and lever on right/left side, a scope and output pressure gauge.

Where to Find?; (free use) on some waterfronts or and get one at fishing guild or and synthesize one.

Essence of Baits: In Small Container are captured essences of bait in a seemly empty glass tube. Concentrated smells stink to many others that it repealing them but to the fishes find it irresistible. Float one of these on to the right pond and the fish come in droves.

Design; Looking like a dried-up piece of fruit and a completely darkened color, underground worms and other things tend to die at times then they often surface above ground; then gets baked by the sun as well as all sort of things happen, and pretty soon rends off a foul smell. (people soon begun finding out it's uses, and then begun selling the finish product it to fishers.

Where to find? depends on the season and timing of the harvesting.


Empty Bottles>gathering water: EB can be used to fill-up water from an water source and use it for something later. and other things as well.


Message In a Bottle:, MiaB is for a quest or a treasure map, but some contain junk inside, be lucky or unlucky.

Design: an old scrap of paper can be seen inside a bottle, open it and look at what is written there.

Where to Find ?; if luck is with you maybe find 1 or 2 , be found at an seashore; and some MiaBs can be uncommonly found laying near any other waters that get washed-up; just happening to pass by then pick it up.

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got 2 more ideas for this Brainstorming ....{update} no 4 now :

Water Spirits etc.. ( or Elementals) : Random Encounter or and After catching a set number of fish. Water Spirits appear before Fishers; and different spirits would also appear before the other DoL classes as well giving Blessings all around.

Design; Buffs or Debuff players, or and random Gift drops (Clams /w pearls or something) or and offers transport to different location around the area, says something like "[I know of a place with better fishing would you like to go there?" [Yes or No ]].

Where to Find?; Not just in battles, now also at Waters, Rocks, and Trees etc.
Pond, Lake and Seas, the Spirits exist everywhere, one could appear before you someday; each spirits differs per it's area it oversee.


[No Fishing!] Sign:
A Stop Sign :: A Sign (both meanings seem to work well) a stop in your Plans happens in life, however sometimes it's for the better. Check around and maybe a usually Not Open fishing spot has Opened up. also as well a limitation blocking sign comes and goes.

Design; A Sign might once and a while Float Up to the surface at bottom of its water's. A bobbing black floating ball and right below it is a Sign reading [ No! More Fishing! ] and a warning bell rings.

Where to Find ?; Most outside waters or and center of the waters or and odd places.

......if anything else comes to mind I'll post more here......{update}


Fishing & Shacks: At first sight they may look like old worn-down houses or some place someone use to live...The Shack itself is like a sort of like a break-room, so players can use it as a quick-storage for a set amount of time.

Design; an old wooden house. go inside to hang your gear on the walls with hooks or go into the cellar to temporarily storage fish; keep stored. take a "old-sheets, old-boots, rags, etc" use for material for, a Water-hole: rain has leaked in over the years to form under the floorboards a waterhole and by some small miracle fish have begun live under their,. Moldy-walls; scratch at the old wall and get moss and other materials. fishing spots, tunnels, underground lakes, treasure, etc..

Where to Find: in the middle of some lakes or off in the middle of nowhere at some forgotten location.

Drinkable Water Sources: at anytime if we players go up to any water source then click and see if it's [Drinkable Water] and taste it, for Freshwater's "Drinkable", for Saltwater's "Drinkable?", and for Odd colored-water's "Doesn't look very taste..." ; different effect will happen to the character depending on which is drank. and not only that but it can be bottled as well^^ (related to other idea). Also as a "Refresh" point for Hp/Mp and other special effects ["your body began to glow?!"], (and it's nice idea for an addition:)). Drinking Water spots with special effect can be also used to enhance DoLs or any other class for that matter that needs it.
(this should of been the first thing to come to mind :o)

Design; water can be as clear as the sky on a clear day or dark damp and muddy, .. all of it can be drank from if you so chose to, however do so at your own risk. also don't over do it there are limits to over consumption anything.

Harvest Mobs

After killing some mobs the ability to harvest them would be an awesome addition. Maybe add a new skill to Fisher, Botanist, Miner.

Fisher if you harvest a Wavekin creature you would have a new harvest skill that would allow you to essentially gut the mob you killed and possibly rescue something from the innards. Kill an angler and you would have a chance at pulling out items from the region. Such as a scorpions, lac bugs, other fish that it had recently swallowed etc.

Miners could harvest Dobylns and get a shot at taking getting the raw materials it is named after (Iron, Quartz, Heliordar, Copper etc). As well as a chance to pull gems on occasion.

Botanist could harvest roselings and pull spices, fruits etc. Or if treants were added they could harvest wood from the corpse.

Basically keep it so that to harvest from a mob in this way you would need to be within 10 ranks of the mobs rank. Obviously the closer to the mob rank the better chance at securing materials. The mob would only drop items that were available in that region.

The main issue here is that you need to be able to kill these mobs to do the harvest. So I would make this an ability that could be slotted to Disciple of War/Magic. It would essentially allow once chance at the harvest.

If would be nice to see some Synergy between the different Class types.


Harvestible Notorious Monsters

Using the above it would also be cool if you could bring in some DoLs to harvest NM after they are killed. To get an extra shot at rare crafting mats.

I love the NM fishing idea. It would be a really good and fun reason to team up with other fishers from the server.
Regional ferries and ice fishing seems awesome too. I hope developers are a bit open towards these great suggestions.

I also like the harvestible monster idea. That seems like a really nice addition and would make the whole system and class a bit more complex.

Encounters with really rare spirits or mythical creatures like from those fisherman's tales ( mermaids, kraken, sirens, ghost ships, scylla, lochness monster, Ayia Napa) would also be really cool to get like rare and powerfull buffs, which last a while. And some can only be seen in specific lakes, others at sea or maybe in cave pools.

What could also be pretty cool to make the game more complex and with greater variety. Is the chance of fishing rare fishes or other sea life, which are only able to be catched at certain weather conditions.
Like when it storms you have a chance of catching rare fish A and when it rains fish B can be catched or at night fish C comes to the surface, so there is a chance of catching that fish only at those times.
I don't know if this is possible with coding and stuff. But it would be really cool and maybe you could make certain items from that fish, which are really rare and difficult and tedious to create.

An instance in which you have to catch a whale or something with other fishers would also be pretty fun to me. Again it would be a good reason to meet other people from your server and get that mmo experience because sometimes when I'm fishing on my own I almost forget I'm playing a mmorpg. xD

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Originally Posted by Thsscks

I love the NM fishing idea. It would be a really good and fun reason to team up with other fishers from the server.
Regional ferries and ice fishing seems awesome too. I hope developers are a bit open towards these great suggestions.

I also like the harvestible monster idea. That seems like a really nice addition and would make the whole system and class a bit more complex.

Encounters with really rare spirits or mythical creatures like from those fisherman's tales ( mermaids, kraken, sirens, ghost ships, scylla, lochness monster, Ayia Napa) would also be really cool to get like rare and powerful buffs, which last a while. And some can only be seen in specific lakes, others at sea or maybe in cave pools.

What could also be pretty cool to make the game more complex and with greater variety. Is the chance of fishing rare fishes or other sea life, which are only able to be catched at certain weather conditions.
Like when it storms you have a chance of catching rare fish A and when it rains fish B can be catched or at night fish C comes to the surface, so there is a chance of catching that fish only at those times.
I don't know if this is possible with coding and stuff. But it would be really cool and maybe you could make certain items from that fish, which are really rare and difficult and tedious to create.

An instance in which you have to catch a whale or something with other fishers would also be pretty fun to me. Again it would be a good reason to meet other people from your server and get that mmo experience because sometimes when I'm fishing on my own I almost forget I'm playing a mmorpg. xD

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Rare Encounters (dangers or legends of Eorzea(!?)): with really rare spirits or mythical creatures like from those fisherman's tales
( mermaids, kraken, sirens, ghost ships, scylla, lochness monster, Ayia Napa) at specific lakes, or others sea and maybe in cave pools.

Weather Conditions: ( many possibilities! )
-when it "storms" players have a chance of catching rare Fish A
-when it "rains" Fish B can be captured.
-and when it's "night" fish C comes to the surface.


Fishing Rare Fishes & Wild Sea Life!: which are only able to be captured at certain weather conditions[related to Weather-Conditions].
An instance in which you have to catch a whale >(FF Style)< or (other types of bigger fish); with many other fishers to help with the task.

----- Great Ideas&Suggestions you've also got here and there as well Thsscks :cool:[I've organized them to making them standout more, somewhat] , also thanks for complimenting "spirit encounters" it goes quite well together with post, you've definitely got some good thoughts and idea going. [an FF XIV version of them of course, SE Devs could work with them and fix them up however they want.] -----

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Originally Posted by Skidkidd

Your definitely on to something here. Im all for Ice fishing (in RL too). The implementation of a cast net (see link) would be a very cool feature. Also fly fishing would be an amazing addition, I love fly fishing, it truly is an art. The NM idea has some potential for sure

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Net Casting (as a >skill/job<): fold the net this way and that way ( make sure it doesn't tangle, you'd have to start over) place it in your (character's) mouth and release it like so... [yes, it might take a bit of practice but most players would learn this in no time and enjoy doing it to. also good thing is when applying this to a Fantasy-world more unique ways and styles could come forth from this Technique.

Fly Fishing (>skill/job<): fly fishing, it truly is an art; knowing which kind of rod (current rods or different new rods) works better, chose from different kinds of lines, and using different kinds of lures and finally using a special casting movement to cast the line across different waters (Rivers, lakes, ponds, maybe seas) each unique in it own way.

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Originally Posted by Ceska_Zbrojovka

Nice concept for the NM's
Perhaps a Fisher could charter/rent a boat with a party.
Leading to an instance where the fisher would need to haul in a mob (It could be a regular mob "Sea Snake", or it may be the NM "Ultros/Orthros") and then the party needs to battle it.
The would be a limit to the number of times a party could try to 'Catch the Big One' (Perhaps a limited amount of bait required could be supplied with the rental of the boat)
Fisher could have a net equipped as an off hand weapon and use it to temporarily disable the mob/MN allowing the party to conduct attacks.

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(Ceska, your post has great thoughts as well

A Boat and A Party: rental/charter a boat with a party, leading to an [instance] where the fisher's would need to haul in a mob, then the party needs to battle it [with different classes ?] (an example: "Sea Snake" or maybe NM "Ultros/Orthros"). There would be a limit to the number of times a party could try to "Catching the Big One"[strongest monsters]. (also a limited amount of bait required could be supplied with the rental of the boat, perhaps).

Netting by >Boats<: (related to Net Fishing) Fisher could have a net equipped as an off hand weapon and use it to temporarily disable the mob/MN allowing the party to conduct attacks.

Also: P.S.: I like this thread so much I'm going to go start one for Botanist :D I'll check back here once and awhile, later Vesper.

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Originally Posted by Dras6fin

Rare Encounters (dangers or legends of Eorzea(!?)): with really rare spirits or mythical creatures like from those fisherman's tales
( mermaids, kraken, sirens, ghost ships, scylla, lochness monster, Ayia Napa) at specific lakes, or others sea and maybe in cave pools.

Weather Conditions: ( many possibilities! )
-when it "storms" players have a chance of catching rare Fish A
-when it "rains" Fish B can be captured.
-and when it's "night" fish C comes to the surface.


Fishing Rare Fishes & Wild Sea Life!: which are only able to be captured at certain weather conditions[related to Weather-Conditions].
An instance in which you have to catch a whale >(FF Style)< or (other types of bigger fish); with many other fishers to help with the task.

----- Great Ideas&Suggestions you've also got here and there as well Thsscks :cool:[I've organized them to making them standout more, somewhat] , also thanks for complimenting "spirit encounters" it goes quite well together with post, you've definitely got some good thoughts and idea going. [an FF XIV version of them of course, SE Devs could work with them and fix them up however they want.] -----

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Thanks a lot!
I can't help but get excited when I see all these great suggestions in this threads being made. I sure hope most of them will be considered and maybe even some will be implementend in some way eventually.

Saltwater Cave Fishing
There need to be Saltwater caves added to the game. Caves that are closer to the coastal areas could have salt water pools instead of freshwater pools. IT doesn't make a whole lot of sense that there are none of these currently in game.


Spearfishing: More... Fish!
I think its great that we can gather vipers, spiders, bugs and the like. But lets change it up a bit so that there are more nodes added to the game that have more fish as well. I mean its called spearfishing, not spearbugging. I am not asking to do away with the current spearfishing gatherers, just that you also add in some more fish as well!


Variety: More fish combination's in grades
One thing that I hate in the game is that if you go to a grade, water type and a region... Example, Thanalan, Freshwater, Grade 3... the fish combinations are always the same. There needs to be more variety.

I think if say you go to grade 2 and Ala Mhigans are a FIRST obtainable in that grade then yes, they should be part of the fish pull in 80% of the waters if that area/grade. But there is no reason to not mix it up a bit more with fish of that grade and below.

I have explored this game alot and there are massive amounts of caverns in games. Especially in Thanalan, nearly every tunnel leads to a cave with water. But they are all the same fish. Honestly, what is the point of going to ANY of these farther off places if I can get to any other closer pond for the same fish?

Instead of the same fish all the time take fish of that water type and grade and mix it up a bit by adding a fish or two from lower grades as well to different fishing spots. You already do this by grade, mixing in some lower rank fish. But I think the game will be more interesting if you throw a combination of different fish in different ponds.

Example: You Go to Black Shroud, Grade 3. Instead of Just having Crayfish, Black Ghost, Rainbow Trout, River Crab and Yug'ram Salmon you could have a dozen or more combos...

Black Ghost, Rainbow Trout, Tree Frog, Crayfish, Maiden Carp
Rainbow Trout, Tree Frog, Crayfish, River Crab, Dark Bass
Dark Bass, Black Ghost, Crayfish, Brass Loach, Maiden Carp

Etc, Etc etc.

Again this promotes more exploration, promotes players spreading out to more areas etc.


EDIT: Also updated compiled links

Alright, with the recent addition of Settlements that definitely resembles shacks. It's probably just a coincidence here, 5 month's back I posted an idea here about Fishing & Shacks ... definitely a coincidence but even still this is very good nevertheless ... its one step closer that I can imagine a Shack near a lake someday and content geared towards fishing mostly.

I would like to see useful consumables added to the guild marks purchase vendors. This is a system that could be utilized for all jobs, but I am only going to put ones that relate to fishers here.


First off Lets add Drop Only Bait to the list of what can be purchased

• Rat Tail: 2 GMs Each
• Syrphid Basket: 2 GM's Each
• Midge Basket: 2 GM's Each

New Items

Weak Fish Pheromones: Consumable, Last 30 Minutes, +10% chance to catch fish aimed for, stacks with proper depth, proper gear, proper bait and any fisherman traits.

Fish Pheromones: Consumable, Last 30 Minutes, +20% chance to catch fish aimed for, stacks with proper depth, proper gear, proper bait and any fisherman traits.

Strong Fish Pheromones: Consumable, Last 30 Minutes, 25% chance to catch fish aimed for, stacks with proper depth, proper gear, proper bait and any fisherman traits.


Unlockable Inventory Space

Tackle Box, Expansion I: 2,000 Guild Marks, increase inventory capacity by 5 slots. No Rank 10+.
Tackle Box, Expansion II: 4,000 Guild Marks, increase inventory capacity by 5 slots. Rank 20+
Tackle Box, Expansion III: 8,000 Guild Marks, increase inventory capacity by 5 slots. Rank 30+
Tackle Box, Expansion IV: 16,000 Guild Marks, increase inventory capacity by 5 slots. Rank 40+
Tackle Box, Expansion V: 32,000 Guild Marks, increase inventory capacity by 5 slots. Rank 50+