Hey all alot of threads saying that PLD has the lowest DPS out of the 3 tanks. It's true but not that much that it requires a major DPS increases or change.
I tried my best to even out the STR stat for DRK and PLD. Here was my set up.
PLD: 910 STR *had sword oath on
DRK: 914 STR *had Dark Side on
*All gear and armor are the same with both using their 200 Weapon. No pots or food was used.
I only did a quick one test run of each class. DRK hit about 939 and PLD 891 I think, aprox.
I can do another test if peeps like and upload the video.
A quick PLD VS DRK DPS check.
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11-06-2015, 03:06 AMMartin_ArcainessA quick PLD VS DRK DPS check.
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11-06-2015, 03:10 AMFreyyy
That's OT DPS. If you want to compare DRK vs PLD MT DPS, make them tank the same boss and you'll see the huge gap. You can't test this by just hitting the dummy in tanking stance tho because DRK needs to be able to be hit for Blood Price, Reprisal and Low Blow.
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11-06-2015, 03:12 AMMartin_ArcainessYeah and I think even then PLD would be even lower than that, I can do like maybe 2-3 Aggro combos on a boss and that should be it then but PLD you gotta keep constantly doing it to even be ok above aggro not leaving you much space to do any of your potent combos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freyyy
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11-06-2015, 04:04 AMNektulos-Tuor
Dark and Paladin DPS are not that much different over all. Witch hunter's will say otherwise however....
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11-06-2015, 04:25 AMSyzygianConsidering a gritless-mt drk can out-dps a deliverance ot-war, I can't put into words how wrong this statement is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor
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11-06-2015, 04:31 AMMartin_Arcainess99.9% of his statements are wrong. According to him DRK is clunky.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syzygian
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11-06-2015, 04:56 AMNektulos-TuorYeah, and I proved you wrong on that already. Yeah good luck on that, that is one of the stupidest statements i've seen all day. Look at overall parses for classes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syzygian
I keep proving you and others wrong, and its like you just ignore it.
Top End (Which includes all the AOE parses too, so its inflated) Dark Knight is still "RIGHT" between warrior and paladin. On Single target fights Dark Knight is a hair above Paladin. -
11-06-2015, 05:40 AMSyzygianThose averages from fflogs take into account shitty players and drks that spend the entire fight in grit. A gritless mt drk can and will out dps an ot deliverance war under the right circumstances. I can show you my very own raid parses if you'd like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor
Even on the overall parses drk is still closer to war than to pld and the main reason those averages even show drk as far behind war as they do is because drks mt more often and are thus forced into tank stance more often. -
11-06-2015, 05:50 AMAshkendorPeople ignore you because you don't know what you're talking about. You're very adamant in other threads about having no interest in Savage; that right there shows us that you aren't really in a position to seriously discuss the endgame tanking meta. Not to mention, anyone and everyone can upload to FFLogs; he's talking about the top potential of the two classes and you're providing what basically amounts to a heap of random numbers from people that aren't necessarily putting out optimal DPS and have widely variable gear levels and raid compositions. It doesn't have anything to do with the point that he's trying to make.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor
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11-06-2015, 05:57 AMNektulos-TuorWho cares what 5 dark knights people can do? There are 4 million people playing the game and i'm sure the four guilds that actually clear Savage... did you actually see how abysmally low the clear rate is? Nobody cares about savage because its stupid. Your throwing your face at a DPS check! *gulfclap!* Any sane person will just wait for it to be nerfed or not do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashkendor
For example, the reason Blizzard won't buff Arthas, is because one Korean player is just absolutely AMAZING with him. He is the entire reason they won't buff him, isn't that a bit silly? That is your argument. -
11-06-2015, 06:04 AMSyzygianLmao.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor
Excuse me for using what jobs are capable of at their best as a yardstick. -
11-06-2015, 06:10 AMAshkendorThere aren't four million people currently playing the game. There's four million accounts. As far as the clear rates go, that number gets thrown around and taped onto all sorts of stupid arguments that it doesn't really apply to. It's not an accurate depiction of how many people are doing the content. Plenty of groups are actively working on Savage. Yes the clear rate is low, but you can't just completely discount the portion of the community that is actively engaging in the content but simply haven't gotten the clear yet. If you aren't interested in it, great. That's your decision. I have to wonder why you continue to try to discuss it though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor
No, you just see it this way because your argument is "Hey, lots of people are shitty at this so it needs a buff."Quote:
For example, the reason Blizzard won't buff Arthas, is because one Korean player is just absolutely AMAZING with him. He is the entire reason they won't buff him, isn't that a bit silly? That is your argument.
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11-06-2015, 06:11 AMCGMidlanderPlease,Quote:
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11-06-2015, 06:14 AMSpookyGhostNot saying you're wrong because I don't know the exact numbers myself, but something to keep in mind is your WAR might be worse than he could be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syzygian
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11-06-2015, 06:19 AMNektulos-TuorAll 0.12% of that "community". The rates recently released people actually attempting "doing" it were abysmally low.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashkendor
Probably the case, Warrior is much harder to play then DRK.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpookyGhost
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11-06-2015, 06:28 AMSyzygianI cant figure out whether i should be offended or my war. I will post numbers later since apparently if im playing optimally it means my war bro is bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpookyGhost
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11-06-2015, 06:47 AMExodus_KenpachiIt is widely known (at least on Gilgamesh) that DrK gritless MT out DPS a WAR in OT role.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpookyGhost
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11-06-2015, 07:10 AMSpookyGhostI mean I could make the same claim, saying WAR outparses DRK, then post a parse where the DRK is putting out suboptimal numbers. I'm not saying your WAR is necessarily bad, but he could be, and that being a possibility makes your statement require... y'know, evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syzygian
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11-06-2015, 07:38 AMSyzygian
first 2 phases:
Me: 862.0
WAR: 777.1
phase 1 only:
Me: 966.4
WAR: 904.5
first 30 seconds (burst):
Me: 1050.4
WAR: 1017.6
Peak:
Me: 1454.4
WAR: 1862.4
evidence: recent A3S progression- http://www.fflogs.com/reports/LQYKhTwHf4yA7D6c#fight=12
Neither of us use pots as we've been meeting checks without them. He has better left side gear than I, but he has to wear a fending piece to make the HP check whereas I am full slaying+melds, we're about even in stats.
ALSO:
When this guy and myself are in agreement its usually a fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Exodus_Kenpachi
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11-06-2015, 07:48 AMFreyyyI'm in agreement with this too, already argued too much about this fact. This Talathion guy should be ignored everytime he posts in the tank section.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syzygian
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11-06-2015, 08:11 AMDhex
The best Paladin still will never be a Dark Knight. ;(
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11-06-2015, 08:31 AMNektulos-TuorNot edgey enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dhex