Just curious if you folks have any tried & true methods for achieving SpiritBond quickly and efficiently.
Are you forming SpiritBond parties wearing low level gear? If so what is the best mob-level to player-level ratio?
Are you grinding open world mobs?
Grinding Leves? (This is what I've been doing...grinding level 20 leaves @ 5 stars on my lvl 34 Archer wearing lvl 1 gear...for 2 days...bond almost full.)
Does being Power-leveled dramatically increase SpiritBond rate?
At this point I am just trying to turn some lvl 1 gear into Materia to enhance some lvl 8 gear for my lvl 8 Pug.
Maybe I don't fully understand the whole concept but how am I supposed to get Materia for Lvl appropriate gear when I level much faster than the Spirit Bonds to the gear I am wearing?
Any and all suggestions appreciated.
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10-12-2011, 07:14 AMDavorok(SpiritBond) (can I have it?) (Do you need it?)
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10-12-2011, 09:27 AMNuru
If you can get into a r45 spiritbond party at one of the strongholds, then you can complete a few sets of armor in about an hour or two. Best thing i can suggest is investing in electrum rings to convert into materia. Maybe you are not made of gil but they should come cheap enough. If you get any Materia IV, they can sell for quite a lot, depending on what stats they increase. Also, if you are a goldsmith yourself, the rings will sell like crazy. Its the cheapest way to make IV materia. Just gotta be able to find the best way to get the most xp.
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10-12-2011, 10:06 AMAlhanelem
the way to get spirtbond fast is the same way as leveling up fast: Kill monsters faster.
And get that neckpiece that boosts spiritbond gain. -
10-12-2011, 10:28 AMviion
Doing anything gets you spiritbind, I've noticed even getting 0 exp gets you it. I have capped out a few things by just spamming shards from all the fine sand I preordered.
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10-12-2011, 10:33 AMReikaThis is true. you dont actually need to gain EXP by spirit bonding. I've spiritbonded gear by making shards with fish too. no exp whatsoever. I haven't noticed it going a whole lot faster with getting high exp. I really thing its a per kill/per craft/per gather success rate.Quote:
Originally Posted by viion
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10-12-2011, 01:11 PMNuru
Weird, i've gotten about 20+ materia just by taking MRD from 44-50.
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10-13-2011, 07:05 AMRukkirii
We have received a lot of feedback regarding the rate of gaining spiritbond while leveling. Many players have stated that they're already ready to upgrade to their next set of gear before they reach 100% spiritbond.
In regards to this, we will be making adjustments to the amount of time it takes to gain spiritbond.
Also something to keep in mind, fighting lower level monsters (those under your optimal level range) will slow the rate of gaining spiritbond.
We will continue to look forward to more feedback! -
10-13-2011, 07:26 AMFiosha_Maureiba
Although I guess we can't get the materia quest until level 18. We can't even decompose mateia before then can we?
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10-13-2011, 07:41 AMDavorokYay! My 1st ever Dev Response. Thank you for looking into this. I've been goin crazy trying to farm Materia for my low level classes. I prefer to not just buy them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rukkirii
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10-13-2011, 03:58 PMAliseQuote:
Originally Posted by Rukkirii
The rate isn't that bad while leveling, it is about 2-4 level to max each item. However, could you direct this to dev team that R50 crafters and gatherer are having a very hard time on gaining the sprite bond for their tool?
Main problem being that gathering at grade-5 node (highest) give them very very poor EXP. (grade-5 is good content for R34 gatherer, but we stuck with nothing more until R50 and now we can only gain very bad exp)
And crafters seriously need more raw materials to craft in this patch (very expensive) while gain very bad exp as reward. Leve are also no higher than R50.
I would say crafter at R50 gain spirit bond about 10 times slower than fighter at R50, while gatherer at R50gain spirit bond about 20 times slower than fighter at R50. This is serious issue.
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10-13-2011, 06:55 PMTiss
Why not just leave it the way it is and not spiritbond your equips until you have replacements.. just because you can doesn't mean you have to. No more nerfs pls! Also alot of people have the choker and new players may not soon enough.
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10-13-2011, 09:06 PMZetsumei_Tsunarashi
It would be nice if you could gain spiritbond from leves and quests. Especially for low level people and gatherers/crafters.
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10-13-2011, 10:16 PMViolentDjangoWell, I'm trying to spirit bond my level 1 starting armor and I've taken two classes almost to level 10 and barely have 25% -- I wouldn't say its completely balanced. Low level gear should be able to hit spiritbond by the time you upgrade - -who wants to trounce around in starting gear for longer than they have to?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alise
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10-13-2011, 11:47 PMGreatLeviathanDon't have any problems with it so far :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rukkirii
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10-14-2011, 01:42 AMDavorokYes, this is what I'm talking about. Folks with r50's just don't understand that if you are a New Player, you can't just grind out Materia on a higher level class because you don't have a higher level class!Quote:
Originally Posted by ViolentDjango
At the current rate of SpiritBond, a new character/class will always be "behind the curve", either wearing low level gear too long in order to gain spiritbond/materia or the will never gain SPiritbond because they upgrade their gear before the Bond is full.
In another thread I made this suggestion:
For lower level gear (sub r20 or r30), instead of basing the "Bond Rate" on exp per kill, have the SpiritBond increase with each level you gain.
Essentially divide the progress into 1/8ths and every 8 levels you have fully "Bonded" gear that you can make into Materia for your new gear. I chose 8 levels because that seems to be the general rate that new gears become available.
This would only work (if at all) for low level players and gear so make the cutoff at r20 or r30. From then on continue to base the Bond-Rate on exp per kill as it is now. That way higher levels (esp r50's) can grind/farm materia to their hearts content (or masochistic madness). -
10-14-2011, 07:26 AMLionixOh man, no wonder. I went into a leve party of five persons total, we did leves of five starsQuote:
Originally Posted by Rukkirii
in Horizon. Mobs were, I believe, about 5 or 6 level above me. After just three or four leves nearly all of my gear had max spirit bond. I was a bit curious about it since I had struggled a bit to up it before, seemed much slower, SPECIALLY with my Disciples of Hand and Land which brings me to...
Seriously, it'd be cool if we had a chance to up the market with Lands and Hands too. Bringing the bonding up to speed with the Wars and Magics is something I'd very much like to see (or just give us a new method to increase it, since they don't have any group content at all, which makes me sad. Some bonding quest/leves or items from Grand Companies).Quote:
Originally Posted by Alise
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10-14-2011, 04:33 PMAliseAnd you miss my point, I don't know how fast or slow is it on your low rank gear, because all of my classes playing are R50 now.Quote:
Originally Posted by ViolentDjango
let's separate this into 2 issue:
-First, you said your rate in low rank gear is already balance -> okay good thing! so SE doesn't need to fix this part.
-Second, now I says that R50 of DoH and DoL can not make any spirit bond at all! this is the issue here that need fixing! (please not ask me to make a new character or mule just to spirit bond it)
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10-16-2011, 06:05 PMBONKERS
Do I REALLY have to sit around to find a group of people in my own level range so we can PL so I can actually accomplish anything?
Really, it just makes me feel like Solo'ing has been gimped. -
10-16-2011, 08:20 PMNero
Since Materia is out, i made around ~100 different Materias out of my Gear. Its fine as it ism since its fast as hell on 50's. DoH and DoL are also fine, it is slower than Battleclasses, for sure. But does it really matter? Wards are crowed with Materia, Inventories are crowed with Materias.. Whats the Point of making it even way faster?
And by that.. putting Materia on low-level Gear which you wont wear at 50 doesnt make sense at all. -
10-17-2011, 12:24 AMZhinse
Hey all.
Just a small issue with the spiritbonding. From my experience, since the new stat algorithms have been introduced, being gimp means something, and trying to bond a set of gimp equipment can be pretty darn hard. The fact of the matter is, the game wants you to be fighting and bonding at monsters your level and higher, but you'll have a hard time with these monsters naked, so it is also a little hard to beat them with gear 10 levels below you that almost have spirit bond so you cant switch to a new set yet.
I think it would be nice if they change it so that bonding with mobs 3 levels below you isnt as slow as it is now. Now this issue might tie directly into the fact EXP drops off when you fight mobs below your level, and if that's the case then fixing this small issue might be tougher. But dearest dev. team or dearest playerbase should figure out a solution to this small problem.
Like i said it is only a small issue that can be sidestepped with not having the full gimp set on and only have 1 or 2 pieces with up to level armor, and just toughing it out with a slower gaining speed of killing monsters lower than your level. -
10-17-2011, 12:51 AMJinkoThis is a very valid question, right now gathering XP is very poor, it really needs to be address not only for the sake of spiritbond but for the enjoyability of the DoL classes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alise
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10-17-2011, 02:39 PMDavorokNot everyone has lvl 50's to grind out SpiritBond with. The whole point of this thread is that it is extremely difficult for low levels and newbies to gain SpiritBond before they out level their gear. No one wants to still be wearing lvl 1 gear at level 12 because SPiritBond isn't full yet and if they upgrade their gear, they will never achieve full Bond.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nero
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10-17-2011, 02:49 PMJynx
I would say the teir of materia "Generally produced" by the item should determine how much SP is required to Spirit bond a item.
Although this raises issues with RMT flooding the market with low tier materia...hmm... -
10-17-2011, 04:20 PMHoolieWhoAren't materia quests all level 18+? I don't think newbies necessarily need to be generating materia. I can't speak for level 20ish classes, but at level 30ish I generate spiritbond at a perfectly acceptable rate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Davorok
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10-17-2011, 05:51 PMDavorokYes it's true you can't manufacture your own Materia till you get at least 1 Class to lvl 18 but after that you should be able to create Materia on all other classes starting from lvl 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoolieWho
I fail to grasp why anyone is against lvl 8 characters having Materia Enhanced gear. Why is there tier 1 Materia if we never get to use it? Yes, we can buy tier 1 Materia but a lot of peeps like to farm everything themselves ( I do anyway).
Is all tier 1 Materia expected to be grinded out by lvl 50's or will lvls 1-10, 10-20 and 20-30 be able to create their own and join in the fun? -
10-17-2011, 06:07 PMVahzl
Gained 6 ranks in 4 hours on my CNJ44 (now 50) yesterday in a Spiritbind party, in the Strongholds.
It was fantastic fun, and I actually was able to contribute, rotating Stoneskin II, Shock Spikes II, Protect and Shell, and tossing out Curaga's and Cure II's when needed.
Was actually a great way to learn my class properly too, as there was a lot MP preservation needed, and much panic healing.
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10-18-2011, 02:37 PMHoolieWhoI believe tier I materia are for gear up to level 30. It doesn't seem like you are supposed to start forming your own materia until you are 18+ at least. I personally am fine with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Davorok
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10-22-2011, 05:17 AMNakiamiieI have this problem as well, my gear is not ready until 2~3 levels AFTER I should have switched armours (that also delays my next armours spiritbond, etc.)Quote:
Originally Posted by ViolentDjango
I would much prefer if my gear was at 100% spiritbond 2~3 levels before I change gear than after. -
10-22-2011, 05:19 AMNakiamiieI agree to that too. :sQuote:
Originally Posted by BONKERS
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10-22-2011, 05:27 AMMolly_Millions
Go to the strongholds for spirit bonding. I usually have to take about 3 sets of gear with me for a couple hours in the strongholds.