Could we please get item level requirements for all the dungeons?
Through the game it has been major turn-off for me seeing all the undergeared players wich are making content harder than it is due to lack of gear.
As I farm dungeons a lot I am honestly getting tired of seeing undergeared players doing content above their item level. It is no longer funny getting i90 players in the second half of Heavensward. I thought that it would eventually stop, but no... just today I had several i90 players in the Vault...
I don't know why these players can't support their crafters, but SE please put a reasonable iLevel requirements for all the instances. It would make our lives much easier.
Item level requirements for all the dungeons
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10-23-2015, 06:05 PMArchaellItem level requirements for all the dungeons
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10-23-2015, 06:29 PMSida
Getting that far people should have got at least one proper level set of hq gear through the questline, weapon too. If they are alt classes however... I just wonder if forcing iLvl would lead people equipping whatever accessories they have at hand to get by the bar. Things like, iLvl 200 healer accessory set to raise the iLvl of level 55 monk just because the main is healer.
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10-23-2015, 07:20 PMRufalus
Gubal Library should probably have a down sync too lol.
You can have an i210 lv60 dps in there, with an i140 lv59 tank. Good luck holding those enemies :) -
10-23-2015, 07:26 PMCheraa
Think that would be a great idea.
No ilvl requirement just means people will start into HW with their ilvl90 Job Quest Equipment and will probably never change it due to missing Quest rewards on second+ jobs.
The Dusk Vigil - ilvl 105
Sohm Al - ilvl 115
The Aery - ilvl 125
The Vault - ilvl 125
The Great Gubal Library - ilvl 135 -
10-23-2015, 07:34 PMArchaellPlayers farm fates and then they decide to do a dungeon... few of them might use wrong accessories to get the boost, but hopefully not that many. We can't do much about players' sklil, but gear... it isn't that hard to buy few items from your crafting friends or from the local market boards. I know it costs money but this isn't a single player game, players should show some compassion to their team mates.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sida
I am half level away from that hell. Honestly not looking forward to tank it. Maybe it would be better to skip it... Oh, so that's why it is bloody hard to get a tank for this thing in DF.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rufalus
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10-23-2015, 08:23 PMcynical_baby
I like that idea. Remember that run in Brayflox's Longstop as a healer with a lvl 32 Tank in lvl 15-20 items on the left and lvl 8 accessories (and one 28 ring). It was hell with many wipes.
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10-23-2015, 09:17 PMZojhaLook on the bright side: If rumors are to be believed, there's a good chance these iLvL 200 DPS wouldn't churn out more than 300-400 DPS anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Archaell
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10-23-2015, 09:25 PMArchaellI look at the dark side. Being told that you suck by somebody who is able to steal your enmity only thanks to their gear is not something I would enjoy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zojha
Even now with iLevel sync sometimes I get a player in my group who can play their class well enough to challenge my enmity management. It doesn't happen often but sometimes it does. -
10-23-2015, 09:34 PMZojhaAt least you can't blame him for not gearing up beforehand. *snicker*Quote:
Originally Posted by Archaell
Sorry, could not resist. Seriously, though, these kinds of things never happen to me. Sure, I once had a 60 DPS with almost as many HP as I had when going through the library as DRK (And I was still using mostly fending accessories), but I simply pointed the difference out and asked him kindly to be a bit gentle, because I'm physically unable to hold the aggro if he goes ham. No harm done, we had a few jokes and a smooth run. -
10-23-2015, 09:47 PMDPZ2As the MSQ hands out HQ ilevel 115 gear for all slots before you hit the first dungeon in HW, you are not seeing 'new players', you are seeing their alts. I can understand why they aren't in i115 gear at that time: there is a single vendor for left-side gear, and they do not have a Buy Gearz Here sign.Quote:
Originally Posted by Archaell
To purchase HW gear on the MB can be a half-to-1 million gil expense, as I know from experience.
A better solution than ilevel requirements for all dungeons (really? what should we REQUIRE of a level 15 player in Sastasha?) might be to start dropping ilevel appropriate gear as part of the HW FATEs, which might spur the mob in Northern Thanalan to move on. -
10-23-2015, 10:01 PMArchaellMy point of view might be a little bit screwed as I am playing the support classes and I don't farm fates, but I wouldn't dare to tank or heal dungeons so much undergeared. Buying all the crafted gear would cost a lot, I agree, but you also get dungeon drops - I even had to hire third retainer to store all the "greed" stuff. Even with that I buy stuff on the market board on regular basis and on my server it is a lil bit pricy but affordable.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPZ2
Giving players gear in fates... not sure if it is a good solution. Maybe if the demand for crafted gear got higher the prices would decrease.
Sastasha could have iLevel of 10. It is better if the players learn it sooner and also they can support low level crafting that way. The gear starts to be a problem as soon as you unlock Halatali imo. -
10-23-2015, 10:22 PMNomad-phxThat already happened long ago when ilvl/avg ilvl was 1st introduced. Healers rockin tank accessories, dps rockin healer accessories, anything of the appropriate ilvl. They'd get all kinds of defensive when you call em out too lol " wtf, I just speedran brayflox hm like 5x with this gear" no, not healing in all darklight tank accessories you didn't lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Sida
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10-23-2015, 10:25 PMBlessedbythesun
Are we going to forget that you can buy ilv130 gear from vendors prior level 52 and entering Dusk Vigil. They aren't as good as 2.0 endgame ilv130 gear but massively better over the ilv90 gear.
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10-23-2015, 10:26 PMNomad-phx
I actually suggested a long time ago that the easiest fix for inappropriate gear just to hit ilvl required is to job lock the accessories BUT wars freaked out on me about it cause apparently if "wars cant use str accessories we're useless"
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10-23-2015, 10:32 PMZojhaAccording to basic economics, higher demand equals higher prices given constant supply. What we would want instead is a higher supply of crafted items. And that would require crafting/gathering to become "fun" for the masses. Good luck. By the by, crafting and gathering would become much less profitable as a byproduct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Archaell
As for gear through FATEs - we already do that for lower content to a degree, via company seals which can be exchanged for gear. So a similar (or the same) system can be conveniently used for HW as well.
I don't think that's quite correct - you can get 120 blue gear via tomestones in Mor Dhona (handy if you do MSQ roulette for leveling!) and 115 white gear from vendors in Ishgard. Dusk Vigil starts at 51, so most people generally would want to level there, especially since you get chain boni. You can also upgrade the 120 blue gear to 130, but you need carbontwines for that, which either require hunting or raiding I think. Might be wrong on that one, tho.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blessedbythesun
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10-24-2015, 09:21 AMZodMel
As far as the library problem for tanks, if you do all 5 roulettes and centurio hunts, you go from 59 to 60 in 2 days. Just skip the library and who cares who needs clears/levels.
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10-24-2015, 09:58 AMJim_Berry
You know, we DO meet the minimum iLv requirements; how else are we able to run them. Also, we have to run dungeons to get gear to increase our iLv. So I need for you to stfu right now.
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10-24-2015, 12:20 PMMalevictonWon't hold hate, but you'll get a way faster run. Fair trade imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rufalus
Still shouldn't have trouble holding on aoe anyways. -
10-24-2015, 02:46 PMArchaellYou need me to stfu and carry on, I know...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim_Berry
Honestly I don't know how are you able to run them with clear consciouness. It's even better when the healer gets blamed for your squishiness and lack of dps.
I do agree that you need to run dungeons to increase your item level. You need to run appropriate dungeons for your item level to increase it. If you are too lazy to do that then there is crafted gear. Simple. No need to be hindrance for nobody.
That's it. I believe that the supply would increase if the demand got higher. Right now the gear is not in much demand as players exploit the carry train to gear up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zojha
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10-24-2015, 04:17 PMEloah
Just let them know they can buy ilv120 gear from mor dhona using poetics, which are so easy to get now.
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10-25-2015, 02:43 AMDragonSlayer45
I had a healer with a LV 20-ish accessory in a Vault once. The rest of his right side wasn't much better, only consisting of maybe two LV 50+ items.
He even won an accessory that was an upgrade from his LV 20 and he didn't equip it. :/ -
10-25-2015, 03:22 AMArchaell
I have just finished Stone Vigil with a healer in the Brayflox chest and... crafting gear. Luckily I was working on my stoneskin usage as ironworks paladin, but... I lost all the respect for one of the dungeons which scared me as a new player. ._.
This shouldn't be allowed. Said player has problems with English and they might not even know what they are doing wrong... Oh, come on. I am a lil bit mad, not at the player, but at the game. This shouldn't be allowed to happen. -
10-25-2015, 12:37 PMJim_BerryI remember when I was tanking Dusk Vigil, each time a piece dropped for me, the freaking group would take years to roll on it, that I had to ask for it each time. Often times, they still wouldn't roll, and when the item finally dropped to me, they would pull and not let me equip the item (the healer would have already hit me with Regen or Medica II that when they pulled, I have aggro and can't change gear).Quote:
Originally Posted by DragonSlayer45
This is one of the many reasons why I stick to being a DPS, because many times, if they pull when I'm not ready, it sometimes take them longer to kill than it would if they waited for me to get and equip the item. -
10-25-2015, 12:40 PMJim_BerryYou know, I am honestly glad that you didn't go berserk on me for my comment about "stfu", because I truthfully was not saying that with aggression. Thank you!Quote:
Originally Posted by Archaell