I did quit the game a while and just came back some days ago, only to find out, that this 2 year old game still...
...doesnt allow PVP materia in PVP.
We want to cover the weak companys, because players with materia will be to overpowered. But we are still putting materia slots on every new pvp gear.
The game is just two year olds, maybe we can fix it before its dead. Oh, did you know you can use food to buff yourself, wich is nothing else than materia, sort of.
...doesnt have ANY use for Moral
We noticed that the old Moral system (wich gave you additional DEF/ATK) was kinda broken and since we want to cover the weak,
we did change the system to a system, wich doesnt even make sense at all and also degrades every PVP gear to PVE gear, sort of.
We did offer pvp i100/110 gear (Middle/End of 2014) with the new moral system, but we accidently forgot to add content where the player could make use of it.
Please forgive us, the game is just two years old, we will look into it before its dead, promised.
...builds on grand company restrictions.
We noticed that our pvp wasnt messed up enough, so we decided to add amazing grand company restrictions.
When we released the first patch notes before actual release back in 2014, players immediately told us that a "amazing" coordinated battle of three differend companys
on a huge battlefield sounds amazing on a paper, so we didnt continue to check their feedback on this. They must still like it. Bottleneck queues? Whats that.
The game is just two years old since this system works so well, we decided that we will try to add grand company restrictions to every future factions mode.
...has a messed up Queue system. (Frontlines)
We noticed that our pvp wasnt messed up enough, so we decided to mess around with the actual queue system for frontlines. We made it so,
that some people will wait 2 hours until they get into their first match, while their friend, who queues for the same content, with the same job, the same level/rank and search settings
bypasses him 3 times during that time. The game is just two year old, so the affected friend of you can bypass you even many more times until this game is dead.
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...has a messed up Queue system. (Wolfs Den)
We noticed that when players queue for Wolfs Den, one of the eight players will probably be afk already due to the long wait times and the
whole match will be canceled, leading to even more of those affected players to leave the queue right after. We decided to call this symptom the "7/8" symptom.
We could have look into that already back in 2014 and this game mode is dead already? We are sorry, we did work hard on Slaughter during
that time to give you an amazing new mode.
...prefers to give "Join in Progress" plops to players wich have just joined the Queue a second ago,
rather than giving it to players wich are waiting all day long already.
We noticed, that players, who have the strength to wait for 2 hours for a plop, can also wait 3 hours.
Because of this, we made it so that "Join in Progress" plops mostly only plop for players, wich have just joined the queue.
...doesnt offer achievements for Healers.
Since we are offering PvP and not SvS (Sponge vs. Sponge), we decided to not give any achievements for healers in all of our pvp modes.
All the fame should go to dps classes. This game is just two year old, so you fellow whitemage still can reach 5000 kills before this game is dead.
...give range an incredible advantage (especially in 72 slaughter)
We heard that melees do suffer a lot in 72 man slaughter modes because they can easily be nuked while
standing in the middle (Some strange people calling it "Clusterfuck", what is this? I think we did well). And anyway, why are only loldragoons out there.
This game is just two years old, and your fellow dps melee does have a lot of time to improve until this game is dead. A dedicated pvp player did send us some weird pictures.
We dont know what he want to tell us.
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...advertise that coordination is the Key in Frontlines.
So we did add a mode, where strategy doesnt matter at all and everyone is just nuking each other in the middle and another mode,
where the RNG factor overtakes the coordination factor by far.
...forces the Healer to tank, the tank to dps, the dps to dps even more.
We noticed, that the Tank/Healer/DPS combo works well in our PvE, but since we trying hard to mess up our PvP,
we decided to let the healers tank and the tanks dps. We think, thats its a nice experience for healers to see how it is to tank and
soak in crazy amounts in damage and lets be real, tanks always wanted to use their strength accessories.
...offers tomes for PVP Roulette.
We noticed, that the fully loaded train of pve "I dont care about the result, i just want the tomes"-people in our pvp content wasnt long enough,
so we decided to add a pvp roulette wich only gives pve rewards to encourage more of those players to jump on the train. Then however,
a small amount of our player base (We calling them pvp core players (Players that are actually enjoying our messed up pvp modes, lol)) told us to add pvp rewards to the roulette,
so we did. We are happy with this rate of fixes we are offering to our pvp system, since this game is still only two years old so during the next 4 years,
we can gladly offer you two more fixes.
...doesnt have a working Kick/Replace option for frontlines.
We noticed, that our pvp isnt messed up enough, so we decided that a group cant kick someone before 5 minutes are over and also
cant kick 10 minutes before the match is over in a match wich cant last longer than 15 minutes. Last week, a child, wich obviously was still in the kindergarden,
told me as developer, that this math doesnt work. I told him to shut up, since i am the developer. But to go sure, i will call my old math teacher and together we will check this math.
Anyway, this game is just two years old.
...says NO to your personal skill and YES to rng (Sieze).
We heard, that you did very well in Slaughter. People told me you were a beast, who exterminates whole armys simply because you were skilled in pvp.
To counter this, we released a new amazing game mode, where your skill can take a break at the beach.
...doesnt allow to write in chat (Linkshells/Free Company) while in a pvp match.
We are affraid that you could talk to someone of your enemys team during a match. Since there is so much strategy involved during a frontlines match,
it would be fatal when your enemy knows your tactics (Tactics like "Everyone mid, stay there until the match is over", or "Lets pray to RNG jesus"),
so we are not going to allow this anytime soon. People who really want to do this, can simply meet each other on Teamspeak or PlayStation Party to exploid this?
We do strongly believe in the hearts of our players.
...doesnt have a real roulette.
Some of the players told us, that the "roulette" gives them to 99,8% the newest game mode. They also told us, that this is not what they think of a "roulette".
We could have easily changed the current roulette to a great roulette, wich involves Secure/Slaughter/Sieze, but i am begging you, this game is just two years old,
so please dont expect major changes like this anytime before this game is dead.
...forces players to play on the loosing team all the time.
We came to the decision, that we want to encourage more players to play frontlines (Yoshi actually said this in a live letter back in the day). Because of this,
we added grand company restrictions so that one company can go superior and dominate a whole data centre. Doesnt sound this like a lot of fun for someone who plays
with the loosing team all day and night? Especially when we force him to play on that loosing team all the time. We think this encourages everyone to keep playing frontlines.
You are saying that those players might just surrender and quit frontlines because of this? You must be mistaken. Heck, your saying that whole groups or alliances might
surrender because they totally know they will just get roflstomped? You must be mistaken. You are saying that we could have just put random groups
of people together in frontlines, wich would immediately solve the bottleneck problem? You must be mistaken. You are saying that everyone would basicly have the same
win chance with random groups of people? You must be mistaken. You are saying that people could actually play frontlines with their friends without that whole GC thingy?
You must be mistaken.
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"Being forced to play on the loosing team isnt that bad", says Sion Kineas confident. "With my last weeks W/L ratio of 1/56 it just takes me 11200 frontlines and approximately 3733-5600* hours
of non stop frontlines to get 200 wins for that nice mount. And because this game is just two years old, i might can get it before i am dying at old age."
*2-3 matches per Hour.
...let you think that Yoshi P. is a real pvp player.
When in reality hes just a dirty liar when it comes to this. He always says this is amazing, that is amazing, everything in pvp is amazing.
Did he ever play his own game? Jesus christ, its already two years old, get your shit together and start fixing stuff.
My two cents. Some of those points might be a bit overreacting and of course, everyone does have his own opionion.
Theres nothing wrong with PvP! Isnt it? ISNT IT?
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10-19-2015, 12:02 AMSangheliosTheres nothing wrong with PvP! Isnt it? ISNT IT?
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10-19-2015, 12:11 AMAstralKaos
Thumbs-up. Agreed.
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10-19-2015, 12:41 AMTiaHariberux3
If you complain so much why not spent your time with pve? Seize is not just "rng" good rng = getting attacked from both teams. Not be able to use ls/fc etc chat isn't bad. Morale/ materia works in wd which is good since frontline let u play against lower ranks. Idk what u mean with kick since u can kick ppl in frontlines. Also ofc healer tanks cause they focused and tanks are there to harass healer/caster not just dps (like in other pvp games). I could say more but not worth it. I wont say its perfect but u complained about things that are okay.
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10-19-2015, 01:30 AMTriksteR
tl;dr
I read somewhere awhile ago that 3.2 is the ''PvP update'' with real ranks and stuff (correct me if I'm wrong). Assuming we're receiving updates every 3 and half months, you should come back in march. Also, i'm not fan of this grand company system and the queue is really nuts sometimes (I'm on aether/twin badders, the queue time isn't an issue but dat win rate doe) -
10-19-2015, 01:35 AMMclydeYou need a wider knowledge of pvp in mmo to understand all what Sanghelios is talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by TiaHariberux3
Mmo where trinity exist like in FFXIV (tank, dps, healer) and work in pvp aswell.
Mmo where you really tank as a Tank, providing direct protection to an ally, taunting ennemies etc...
Mmo where every job is more or less independent if the player is skill enough : you can defend a node alone as a dps against sereval ennemies for exemple by having multiple way to control your ennemies, healing yourself a little, diseappearing in fight, real defensiv skill etc etc...
Mmo where you can kill someone alone as a Healer...
Mmo where as a melee you don't have an error message each time you try to hit someone who's moving cause you don't have the same latency.
Mmo where luck is not involded in the match. Only communication and individual skill.
FFXIV offer good graphics (relatively goods..) and interesting playable job, hovewer pve and scenary are not particularly good, that's why we want they correctly develop the pvp part of this game instead of just going somewhere else. -
10-19-2015, 02:03 AMTarta
Well I'm sure you're happy with Seal Rock now. I mean, just by change of ground, suddenly BLM isn't as great anymore (IE; your power comes from being ignored, but you aren't ignored since you're such an easy kill).
That sick Node RNG is good too. I do feel that it does force coordination as the whole team needs to follow directions to accomplish efficient node grabs and offense push. -
10-19-2015, 02:15 AMTiaHariberux3
Lol u can kill ppl alone as healer... "mmo where a melee...." playing melee isn't that bad and eu datacentre is coming tomorrow.To be honest idk which MMO u played but healer will always be a bit tanky. Again Seize is not rng u can always win but yeah blaming rng is always easier. Play WD that's more skillbased. And in which MMO u always tank as a tank in pvp yes u can taunt etc. but at the end people trying to kill the healer. Wider Knowledge? Do u know me or what xD I played enough MMO (focused on pvp)
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10-19-2015, 08:56 AMGuesswhat
Mostly good points; PvP needs significant more attention from the developers. However there are somewhat of a "inside-the-box" thinking here. "Don't mess with the holy trinity", etc. Understandable, as SE clearly play it safe in most areas of the game while being a tad bit innovative with PvP. Which again showcase that they don't truly know the value of good PvP in an mmo (if they had known, then they would have played it safe here too).
In the end, it's the PvPers who keeps the game alive, not the grinders. With a halfassed PvP system they have to constantly invent new grinds. -
10-19-2015, 09:55 PMSynestra
"Slaughter = skill" made me giggle. That mode is definition of no-skill(doing PvE AoE rotation as an BLM on node always yelded atleast one kill usually more)just like TDM modes in general no matter what genre it is(WD type TDM is only place that requires skill). Mindgame is the true skill in PvP, think it as more like a poker where you do insane bluff that lets you rob your opponent.
Shoutout for all Imm/Mael healers on Chaos who can bait and kite 8 Adders across the map, this game needs more players like you who can toy with idiots, as it makes me always lol hard when i see it happening ^^ -
10-19-2015, 11:33 PMSangheliosAh, should have been a bit more specific here. Was more likely refering to 24 man Slaughter, were your Skill really matter a lot. But your right when it actually comes to 72 man.Quote:
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10-20-2015, 04:09 AMElim
I agree with many points, but the main thing I want fixed is the queues. The randomness of getting in a match is upsetting(one person waiting 15 minutes while the other an hour.)
Also recently I had four people in a team, we waited over 60 minutes+(queue and un-queuing a few times as well) for Seal Rock(siege) before giving up. We broke up, I solo queue'd and pretty much got an instant pop. Not in-progress either. PvP queue is so messed up.
It doesn't matter how much they change pvp, imo the main problem is the queue. In order to fully enjoy the experience queue's need to be fixed first. -
10-20-2015, 10:24 AMSelliQwQQuote:
Originally Posted by Sanghelios
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(Don't mind the bottom one, that was before I figured out there was a sorting option)
[EDIT] I love healing and I love PvP, so naturally I like doing them together. I am the one who raises you when you dive in without me, I am the one who CCs for your LBs, I'm the one who slows the stragglers for your kills, I'm the one who is constantly fighting to keep you alive. And what do I get as a reward? "Were r my healz?" ...And sometimes wins. Sometimes I get wins for my hard work.
[EDIT2] If us healers ever get a PvP title, I think it should be "Guardian Angel"... or "God of Mercy" to totally outdo the Hand of Mercy title in bad-assness. \o/ -
10-20-2015, 11:23 AMNicoboThere was no PvP therefore logically no one started playing ARR for PvP,Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanghelios
PvP was not suitable for this game and why implementing this full of failure PvP system?
Obviously just because YoshiP is a real PvP player. -
10-20-2015, 12:30 PMnickx
Based on what has been previously mentioned before, Patch 3.2 will address many of the issues you mentioned. With the implementation of Wolves' Den 2.0 (in order of the issues you listed)...
...PvP gear might be activated in the new Wolves' Den, thus Materia will work on the new gear.
...this will also force Morale to have some kind of purpose. Otherwise, should just be taken out entirely.
...they mentioned the possibility of removing grand company restrictions.
...the removal of grand company restrictions *might* in turn fix the messed up queue system, or at least part of it.
...the "7/8" symptom I can see making it's way back into 3.2 unfortunately, due to the fact that if we're going to have ranked matches, the system will make sure it's fair for both teams to have all their players. However, if Wolves' Den popularity increases, perhaps it might not be a big issue, since the queue should in theory re-pop again.
...the "Join in Progress" is almost needed, or else the match will have a team potentially short half their players. However, as mentioned before, with the removal of grand company restriction, it's likely you won't be waiting 2-3 hours for a game to pop.
...I agree. Achievements for Healers is something that I don't see being addressed anywhere and could use some additions.
...I think SE recognizes that slaughter was a mistake, however, I have seen melee still being a crucial aspect to winning Seal Rock. It's true you'll see ranged, in particular Summoners, at the top of the damage, but damage is not always the key to victory in these big team battles. However, I think the addition of smaller sized maps/modes would allow different classes/roles to shine, (ex. CTF and tanks shining)
...as mentioned in the point above, I think SE realized slaughter was a mistake and won't make a return.
...I don't really understand your "holy trinity" argument here. Healers are naturally focused in most MMORPG PvP games, and when healers choose to heal in PvP, they should understand that. Tanks aren't soaking up damage in PvP for everyone, but they are sure as hell reducing damage for everyone on their team with their interrupts, covers, limit breaks etc. Roles also change depending on game mode type. If a CTF were introduced, then you might see tanks holding flags and being the focus of all damage again.
...I agree. I think tomes in PvP Roulette is something that could use adjusting to reduce the amount of players who do not want to try at all.
...I agree. Perhaps these vote to kick numbers need to be adjusted a little.
...RNG isn't being addressed, but I think Seal Rock is a game mode where, even though there's an RNG factor, coordination and team work will improve your chances to win. Not always though, and double S ranks spawning right next to a GC base might still cause you to lose. But if a team is coordinated enough, you're likely to win more often than not. RNG will not force you to lose every single game.
...I don't know, do you really want a healer busy talking to their LS/FC and letting you die? The matches are only 10-20 minutes long. /shrug
...I agree. I'd like to see SE bring Secure to level 60 and improve their roulette.
...As mentioned before, this issue would be addressed with the removal of GC restrictions.
I've been following FFXIV PvP, their interviews, their trends (in particular to WoW PvP) and this is simply my two cents based on that knowledge. As you can see above, many of the issues *may* be resolved in Patch 3.2, while some still need to be addressed. -
10-20-2015, 11:39 PMAtreus
Slaughter would have been a fine game mode if it weren't 3-way.
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10-21-2015, 09:21 AMTiaHeart
This is 100% percent speculation / my understanding, not facts. I do not google how FF works
Imho the purpose of "Roulette" is very different of what you expect from it.
>>And although this is "bad" for the players signing up to Roulette, it is good overall. <<
Because it is "bad" for you, there is the bonus to still make you sign up!
The way I see it, it is not for YOUR variety "Oh what exciting content will I get to play now". Like, at all. It is for OTHER players than the ones signing up.
The reason you get thrown into the same content over and over is because THAT is what people want to play. THAT is what other people ACTIVELY chose to qeue for (As in: Not choosing roulette. But Qeueing sealed rock).
It is meant to ensure that everyone gets to play "his" content, even if nobody else wants to do that. 2 new players qeue for sastasha. Nobody else does -> Roulette low fills 2 slots and bam, game. It picks games that are close to starting, if possible and pits you in. -
10-21-2015, 09:24 AMTiaHeart
Nobody qeueing for Slaughter? No Roulette player gets slaughter. Nobody qeueing for Tit Ex? No Roulette player gets Tit Ex. Everyone qeues Sealed pvp? All Roulettes get Sealed. If the algorythm doesn't find anything like at all, ONLY THEN does it fill the whole game with ALL roulette players, and a 100% random content. After some time has passed without "reasonable" ("real" signups and wait time) choices. I get sastasha normal tons (New players, Transfers etc), Rav hard, sealed Rock. No Surprise to me, that will be what many people "want" me to play with them. I do not want to since Rav HM is a pain with blind players. Or Garuda normal. But hey, it helps the game and is actually the perfect way to work.
Again, just assumptions. I would love ct "forced" by roulette