Okay so exploring the Fractal Continuum you may had noticed that the Museum exhibits include the Iksallion mob. Which seems to had been the Ixali's distant ansestors (This also means that Azys Lla is Attayan) But the questions is, does this mena that the other beastmen were also Allagin Chimeras? And If their Primals or erhaps the acts of summoning itself are related somehow (beyond ascians)?
The Beastmen and the Allag
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10-16-2015, 04:59 AMMorningstar1337The Beastmen and the Allag
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10-16-2015, 09:30 AMBelhi
Id say some of the beasttribes probably are. I think though that one of the Chimeric creations is mentioned in a FATE to be a combination of things including a lizardman beasttribe from southern Orthard. That would suggest there were some beasttribes around originally.
As for primals, I think the current beasttribes are just furtile ground for the Ascians. Anyone can summon a Primal. They don't have to be beastmen. -
10-16-2015, 09:34 AMFevelle
All I know is that I hate Allagans, for all I know about them.
They were very advanced in technology, but I don't see them as good people. -
10-17-2015, 12:21 AMFenralWhat really matters at the end of the day, though, is that they meant well. Everything they did, they were doing for a brighter future! Isn't it great?Quote:
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(No, seriously, though. I agree with you, but the actual in-game handling of them has... troubling implications.) -
10-17-2015, 01:49 AMMorningstar1337Villains doing things for the greater good had been a recurring theme int his game's antagonist (save the Ascians, and even then Elidbius' motives makes you wonder...)Quote:
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But I am curious to know these implications are. And if you're talking about the Crystal Tower? -
10-17-2015, 02:27 AMFenralRight, you're new here, so you've missed my (in)famous ranting. Yeah, pretty much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Morningstar1337
During the Syrcus Tower quest intro, Doga makes it pretty clear that having a source of infinite energy to provide for their every want is what sent the Allagans into decline, eventually necessitating the resurrection of Emperor Xande in order to stave off their downfall.
Curiously, that outright stated connection is then omitted from the NOAH reports and, sure enough, the author of those very reports then decides at the end (with the help of the voices in his head) that the only thing that went wrong with the tower was that it wasn't used correctly, and that the correct use was... how they were using it before Xande was revived. Which by then everyone has entirely forgotten is precisely what started Allag's downward spiral to begin with.
In Final Fantasy III, the Cloud of Darkness can be called to the world by either a flood of darkness, or a flood of light. If it was called to Allag 5000 years ago by a flood of light, and then to the present by a flood of darkness, and now we want to... Wait a sec. Hold up there, catboy.
For me at least, there were giant warning sirens going off during that last scene that have so far come to nothing, as all present were too busy patting themselves on the back over how great the light is. -
10-17-2015, 02:55 AMDererk
Uh wasn't it that there was a massive rebellion going on because of how cruel they were that began their decline?
And lets admit it if you think the only way to get things back on track is to revive your first emperor. Well I'm pretty sure only bad things are down the road.
On the topic of beast tribes. We can be sure that the Amalja and Kobolds weren't made by them I think because they had their primals sealed at Silvertear in Mor Dona by them. -
10-17-2015, 03:59 AMMorningstar1337I'm not new, I just took a hiatus until last month, but yeah I missed your rantQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenral
You know I actually wonder if that was the point, people ignoring the consequences and wanting to tip the scales in the favor of Light. Think about it, in addition to this part, there is also Edlibus's talk of balance (and his summoning of the Warrior of Darkness, also from III) and the implication that the WoL is tempered by the Mothercrystal of Light. Not to mention King Thordan, which has Light attacks and a light theme.Quote:
...For me at least, there were giant warning sirens going off during that last scene that have so far come to nothing, as all present were too busy patting themselves on the back over how great the light is.
That said it's a topic for another thread I;d rather make a new thread for this topic and rrial this thread into "what beastmen are chimaerical creations" now -
10-17-2015, 04:06 AMFrederick22Oh god, not this again. There is no such fing as the equilibrium, we arnt destroyed a balance that needs to be keep. We arent tempered. The WoD was summoned to stop us beacuse there is not anyone was strong as us, also that we are putting the ascian's plan into danger, thats what Edlibuds was meaning.Quote:
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10-17-2015, 04:13 AMCilia
To directly answer the question, "Were beast tribes beyond the Ixal genetically engineered by the Allagans?", the answer is, as always, maybe.
The Vanu are almost confirmed to be genetically-degraded Allagan creations, as they held the key to Azys Lla until Bismarck ate it and considered its protection a sacred duty.
The Gnath Onemind sounds like an easy way to instruct the bug-men, but there's nothing pointing to them being Allagan creations.
The Gigas of Mor Dhona worship and protect the Crystal Tower, suggesting an Allagan connection.
Aside from that, there's nothing pointing to beast tribes being Allagan creations. It's always possible, but there is no evidence to substantiate such a claim. -
10-17-2015, 04:29 AMFenralWell, in your extended absence, I've become maybe slightly infamous as an Allag-hater, and, despite how I come across, it's not just because they brain-jacked my favorite character and made him seal himself in a tower for pretty much no reason beyond forcing a bittersweet ending on an otherwise fairly straightforward story. There's just a lot of things about them that make me very uncomfortable that ended up epitomized in that moment.Quote:
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I just finished a mostly-literal translation of the Japanese script of the relevant section of CT as you posted that, but I will save it for a more on-topic opportunity. If 2.X is supposed to be the "yay light is good" arc that comes back in HW as "the WoL screwed up big time," it's certainly possible. I feel like it was a bit too obvious to be offhandedly ignored at the time like it was, but that could also become a plot point. Whether or not it actually will is anyone's guess.Quote:
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Back on topic, I think the Vanu and Gigas might be connected to the Allagans in addition to the Ixal, and the Gnath at the very least took one of their weapons for a god. Just look at the Phantom Ray and tell me it's not their historical basis for Ravana.