A coincidence .....or not? ( It has spoilers )

Im surprised nothing has ever make a topic or even a comment about it. Any way I guess im gonna do it xD
On my journeys across Dravania and re watching cutescenes on the in, I notice something really peculiar.

Take a look at this:

This Marcechamp, a chocobo hunter on Talifeather, we have meet him before( is he hunt leader? I dont know )
http://orig02.deviantart.net/fe4b/f/...22-d9c02ja.png

This guy is one of the 12 knight of eld, we just know him as "Brawny Knight" . We saw this on our echo vision.( No name showed )
http://orig00.deviantart.net/a2e7/f/...22-d9c02l3.png

I know I know, this could it be a hole coincidence, maybe the dev team doesnt have much of imagination and by accident they made 2 faces 100% equaly ( I doubt it ). But maybe its not the case, remember when a lot of people found out that Lucia was a Garlemand lot before it was revealed on the game.

If this turns not to be a coincidence, is really interesting. Maybe a descendant? I dont think that either, why? Beacuse everyone on Ishgard are descendants of the Thordan and the 12 knights, is possible that could appear someone that looks so similar?

Ok, maybe super I'm wrong, I dont know lol.
What are your opinion guys?

It's more likely that he's a direct descendant of that Brawny Knight.
We know that Elezen as a whole have slightly extended lifespans compared to the other races, but definitely not by a thousand years (and still keep their youth).

If not, and if he and the Brawny Knight are indeed the same guy...then that brings up the question as to how did he survive and maintain his prime after a millennia?

To be honest, I thought the 'Brawny Knight' of the Knights Twelve in that Echo scene was actually meant to be a reference to the tavern the 'Forgotten Knight' in Ishgard, as it makes perfect sense (after all, the Brawny Knight clearly mentions laying down his sword and shield and taking up an "honest trade, like serving ale."

So if anything, I think he was the original founder of Ishgard's tavern, explaining it's name, because after all, his name truly was forgotten - it wasn't even mentioned in the Echo (although given the fact Clan Centurio is based out of there too, maybe... there might be more to this along your idea as well!).

Quick! Light the Ferne signal! ;)

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Originally Posted by Exodus-E

It's more likely that he's a direct descendant of that Brawny Knight.
We know that Elezen as a whole have slightly extended lifespans compared to the other races, but definitely not by a thousand years (and still keep their youth).

If not, and if he and the Brawny Knight are indeed the same guy...then that brings up the question as to how did he survive and maintain his prime after a millennia?

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He has the same scar. could it be that it may have something related to the fact he ate one of the great dragon's eyes ?

besides the ear clip I think the brawny one has a bit smaller ears. the chin looks different as well but could be related to the angle.

It's probably just a coincidence.

Aside from the 1000 year time difference, Marcechamp has brilliant teal eyes, while "Brawny Knight" has eyes that are indistinguishable. Even though the grainy Echo filter, that color would stand out. It's probably just a coincidence brought out by a limitation of the character creator, or perhaps a subtle hint that Marcechamp is intended to be a direct descendant of "Brawny Knight."

Or maybe being a direct drinker of Ratatoskr's essence made "Brawny Knight" immortal, and he now hangs out in Tailfeather as a chocobo hunter. Probably not, though. (Chances are someone would have noticed, I'd bet...?)

http://i.imgur.com/K634Yg0.gif

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Originally Posted by Frederick22

remember when a lot of people found out that Lucia was a Garlemand lot before it was revealed on the game.

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You could see the third eye under her circlet if you looked at her from Lalafellin height.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

To be honest, I thought the 'Brawny Knight' of the Knights Twelve in that Echo scene was actually meant to be a reference to the tavern

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Gibrillont confirms it if you ask him about the bar.

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Originally Posted by Gibrillont

I did my duty, took my wounds, and hung up my shield, as did the owner before me. You might call it a tradition. They say that the ser who built this tavern was happy to be forgotten. “Rather serve ale instead of steel.” Had a way with words, he did─and with women. But that's a story for another time.

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The "way with the women" that's a "story for another time" might be a nod to the guy at Tailfeather...

Or they just have very similar models coincidentally.

I am pretty sure Brawny was the current tavern owner's (Gibrillont?) Great grandfather x 25?

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

To be honest, I thought the 'Brawny Knight' of the Knights Twelve in that Echo scene was actually meant to be a reference to the tavern the 'Forgotten Knight' in Ishgard, as it makes perfect sense (after all, the Brawny Knight clearly mentions laying down his sword and shield and taking up an "honest trade, like serving ale."

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I thought the same.

The similarities between the gentleman at tailfeather and the Brawny Knight I believed to be character creation limitations.

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

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My point was that on this game we have always found tips that have being hiding in plain sight. Tips that may revealed something on future content.
Lucia was just an example.

interesting maybe a TIME TRAVELER!!!

But if he was a desedent of the brawny knight wouldn't he be a part of a noble house and therefore find chocobo hunting beneath his status. I mean i know their are the four great houses which were the four houses that went on after Nidhogs defeat, but i also believe that their may be 'lesser houses' that aren't as prestigious as the four houses

Well I hope they dont have a another "character creation limitation" with another ncp, I wouldnt like to find Minfilia's twin xD

Minfilia actually has a unique character model, so the chances of running into a doppelganger of her are slim to none.

(Seriously, have you seen the size of those knockers?!)

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Originally Posted by Cilia

Minfilia actually has a unique character model, so the chances of running into a doppelganger of her are slim to none.

(Seriously, have you seen the size of those knockers?!)

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Yes... so unfair...

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Originally Posted by Cilia

(Seriously, have you seen the size of those knockers?!)

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No; I was too busy lookin' at her butt.

(Butt slider or riot?)

I'm more a legs person. As such, I'm eternally grateful for all the hot pants / subligar / bikini options that Squee has provided for female characters. :cool:

I am pretty sure Brawny was the current tavern owner's (Gibrillont?) Great grandfather x 25?

Sorry stupid phone reposted that...weird.

I doubt Marcechamp is related to the brawny knight--it's more likely just a re-used model.

I've never seen the two of them in the same place at the same time, clearly that means they're the same person.

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Originally Posted by Frederick22

Well I hope they dont have a another "character creation limitation" with another ncp, I wouldnt like to find Minfilia's twin xD

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She has a twin who shows up as a merchant every Rising. Well, technically it's her 1.0 look, but...
http://i.imgur.com/zUbPaha.png

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Originally Posted by Cilia

Minfilia actually has a unique character model, so the chances of running into a doppelganger of her are slim to none.

(Seriously, have you seen the size of those knockers?!)

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With her size, that's why she doesn't do anything. They'd just slap her in the face :P

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

With her size, that's why she doesn't do anything. They'd just slap her in the face :P

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Dammit, you beat me to the punchline :<

(I was trying to think of a way to word it in my straight man, "matter-of-fact" idiom...)

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Originally Posted by Fenral

She has a twin who shows up as a merchant every Rising. Well, technically it's her 1.0 look, but...
http://i.imgur.com/zUbPaha.png

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Is the same person but younger :P

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Originally Posted by Exodus-E

If not, and if he and the Brawny Knight are indeed the same guy...then that brings up the question as to how did he survive and maintain his prime after a millennia?

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For those in the know, didn't they do something similar with Morimar in XI? That would be a coincidence. (although Id still like to have that great axe)

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Originally Posted by Kotemon

For those in the know, didn't they do something similar with Morimar in XI? That would be a coincidence. (although Id still like to have that great axe)

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I believe that Hades hinted that

Morimar, like Teodor, was vampiric. Well, not directly, since he got it from Teodor. The cute tiger buddy has it happen to him, too, that's how he recovered from that fatal wound.

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Originally Posted by Frederick22

Is the same person but younger :P

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You can tell because her boobs are smaller!

Actually, a friend of mine pointed out the same thing, but like mentioned earlier I chalked it up to a character creator limitation. The eye/hair/lip colour are all different; assuming you can write away the intense red eye shadow.

Are they related? Sure, probably. We know the bloodline of the original twelve knights proliferated heavily through Ishgard and Coerthas and we know the Brawny Knight was a bit ... amorous.

If Marcechamp IS the Brawny Knight (and such a thing could be possible!) that leaves a lot of questions. Like the founders of the High Houses should still be alive somewhere too.... but not in their own houses??

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Originally Posted by CyrilLucifer

I believe that Hades hinted that

Morimar, like Teodor, was vampiric. Well, not directly, since he got it from Teodor. The cute tiger buddy has it happen to him, too, that's how he recovered from that fatal wound.

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I just stopped playing just after they added the ki farming in that sewer for a BC. I always suspected that Teodor was to Dracula compared to the actual vampire mob, but those other two.. who knew.

Back to the topic, if nothing else I agree that's its just a recycled npc. If they are not part of the greater plot they are a MacGuffin. It's not like the main characters besides the Garlands that have something close to unique designs that can't be made in the player generator. I've already seen an Elderly Godbert in the Fisher level quests, and many other Godbert look-a-likes in the past months. If anyone remembers the rpg's that used 2d sprites. The entire game would be populated with clones. Only the main cast had a unique sprite that could be easily spotted in a crowed. Even now there's a lot of repainted re-skinned clones for the NPC population if you look close enough.

Well did you all remember that Haldrath, even if he was already dead, his body didnt descompose. Maybe thats a clue, maybe not.

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Originally Posted by Frederick22

Well did you all remember that Haldrath, even if he was already dead, his body didnt descompose. Maybe thats a clue, maybe not.

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Thordan VII seemed to indicate the lack of decomposition in Haldrath had to do with him taking Nidhogg's Eye into his body.

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Originally Posted by Rocl

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You sure? I watched that cutscene lots of times, and there were not specifications

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Archbishop Thordan VII: [The right eye of Nidhogg] has lain here, joined to the person of Haldrath, the first Azure Dragoon. For though he learned to harness its power, he was ultimately consumed by it. Even in death, his body decays not─a pitiful end for a fabled hero.

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is the text in question. It's not an explicit explanation but the way it's written makes me think that it's implied that the eye consuming him is the cause of his body's unusual state post-mortem.

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Originally Posted by Rocl

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For now I totaly agree thats the reason why he has not decay, but well that doesnt mean that is not something that could be easly be changed.

I never made that connection! You're right!

(alright, I accidentally didn't click quote so anyone can just pretend this post refers to their point). :P

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Originally Posted by Rocl

is the text in question. It's not an explicit explanation but the way it's written makes me think that it's implied that the eye consuming him is the cause of his body's unusual state post-mortem.

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It also reinforced when his body vanished once the eye was removed.