My group has been working on A3S and one of the issues we occasionally run into is that the mechanics occasionally fail due to lag/server ticks. Its not common, but is an annoyance.
There have been multiple instances we ran into where debuffs would fail to swap or the tanks would be unable to pick up tethers despite standing in them. This isn't a case of not being there in time or accidentally swapping debuffs too early, but the mechanic failing to register entirely.
A3S Swaps Occasionaly Fail
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10-05-2015, 12:29 PMdejavutwoA3S Swaps Occasionaly Fail
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10-05-2015, 01:00 PMNghthawk
is the person on the receiving end stationary as you are next to each other or moving around try to take it? We have found that when both are moving the tether doesn't transfer most of the time.
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10-05-2015, 01:04 PMMaikeru
We have the tethered person standing still. They will only move away from the center, but staying in the same position so the server's response don't mess with that mechanic. We do the same with the debuff, actually, we make the debuffed person or the person who's getting the debuff to stand still. You have plenty of time to receive it/transfer it.
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10-05-2015, 02:56 PMAmantisa
That's a thing I found even on Ravana EX. When passing prey was too common to see a big fail if the person with it and the person going to get it were moving. Once one of them stop for a second it's passed.
But the topic kinda sounds like that at least one person there is staying still :(. Correct me if I'm wrong! -
10-05-2015, 03:05 PMCosmicKirby
Yeah, the best method is to have both players stop moving on top of eachother for a moment. Failing that, have the person getting the tether taken away to stand still. The server has to tick to actually transfer the tether, and sometimes the server will screw you over, sadly.
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10-05-2015, 03:11 PMeagledorf
Yes, I've had this problem as well. It wasn't a problem in T13 so it's something to do with how they've done A3 specifically where apparently it won't pass until the tick.
You'll have to arrange yourselves so that the tanks have like 3 seconds in the tether if you want this to never happen. It's not hard at all, but...an annoyance. -
10-05-2015, 08:11 PMdejavutwo
For both mechanics we do have one player standing still. For the debuffs, its the person with the debuff that remains stationary while someone runs to pick it up, and with tethers, the healer/dps moves to the outside and stands still. Despite that, it occasionally happens where the person trying to pick it up will run into the other person/tether and stand there for about a second and it will still fail to swap.
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10-05-2015, 08:19 PMSpookyGhost
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10-05-2015, 09:44 PMFrostei
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10-05-2015, 11:49 PMGalactimus
Thankfully this also plays a factor when Lubricants decide to blow up inside the electric water. We've had large Lubricants with 5% HP fully submerged for almost five seconds without wiping the party. The entire fight is pretty buggy like that (dependant on server ticks.)
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10-06-2015, 12:26 AMTadusI cri evrytimeQuote:
Originally Posted by Frostei
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10-06-2015, 01:46 AMCosmicKirby
Man, it's almost like A3S is a poorly designed fight or something. How 'bout that?
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10-06-2015, 01:49 AMTadusI wouldnt say that, the fight just needs less server lag.Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicKirby
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10-06-2015, 04:44 AMAlmalexia
This is the endgame raid version of Titan. You have to execute the entire fight 1s in the future.
The only other option is to make a macro that says "but on my screen!" and ride that sucker for 90 minutes. -
10-06-2015, 05:31 AMBuckles
The failing of tether swaps happens in our group too. Super annoying. We also rarely experience the thing where the hands have to be together and we get them together - they slap the ground, we get the bleed but take no damage. So the server registered them as in position regarding half of the mechanic but not the other.
If you want to see how bad server lag is for your particular group then before pulling (or at any time) do this neat little test:
Stand about 30 yalms away from a party member and both start running towards each other at the same time. Try to stop directly in front of each other. You'll end up running right through each other and stopping after. -
10-06-2015, 05:42 AMElimLMAOQuote:
Originally Posted by Frostei
This happened to my group a few times while progressing the tornado phase. Now we always have the DPS/heals stand still.
And I had an odd experience with digititis once. Someone swapped digititis with me from pretty much the opposite side of the map. Turns out he was lagging, so he was teleporting on my screen. lol -
10-06-2015, 07:44 AMMalevictonnah, same problem shows up in various ways throughout the game. As much as I enjoy this game, position checking is probably the worst I've ever seen. It's bad enough when it's a player interacting with the environment, but a player interacting with other players is (for some reason) more than the servers can handle.Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicKirby
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10-06-2015, 09:06 AMFaileExperimentI think it is poor design, both from the server and game perspective. Server because obviously this is caused by server lag. From a fight design standpoint, it's poorly designed because it doesn't function appropriately with the server lag issues taken into consideration. The fight should have been able to accommodate for the lag they know they have better than this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malevicton
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10-06-2015, 09:16 AMMikaIto
man doing the mechanic right isn't even enough no wonder people complain
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10-06-2015, 09:53 AMSynestraThat gif just made me lol hard, DRK goes like "Dont worry i got this. Swoosh! *misses thether* oh snap! gonna try again dont worry. Swoosh! *misses thether again* fuuuuu! *both dies*".Quote:
Originally Posted by Frostei
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10-07-2015, 05:40 PMBrownondorf^This! I like the way he comes to take it the first time, like he's sliding or something xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Synestra
But yeah this is very annoying and also happens in fights like Ravana with the prey, ect... -
10-07-2015, 06:36 PMWarlyx
same happened on T8 :( it sucked , but yeah u see ppl right in front of you and others see you way ahead.... client-server player position has always been bad in FFXIV :(